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BelleMorte MORTIMOR
Betaguards
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:54:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K?
If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken?
If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update?
If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long?
is irrelevant they could take away the cap, and i still wouldn't continue playing this game its to unbalanced every build there is a new fav wep and suit that trumps everything else and im sick of it. have are destroyed all vehicles are ruined th balance has gone from bad to worse with the transition from chromosome to uprising. the only thing devs got right in uprising was the name and thats prollu because it would take a complete fool not to recognize the uproar that would result from this ****** build. assuming this game were balanced your express issue wouldnt matter becuase come the 14th all the pros would leave pub matches. but as is most people who have been seriously playing this game for the past year have already left or they are just waiting for a miracle on the fourteenth as i am. and will leave as soon as disappointment hits again. which if based on ccp's record it will end in disappointment |
BelleMorte MORTIMOR
Betaguards
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Posted - 2013.05.09 11:58:00 -
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Kuru Astroyka wrote:Why did people join the game during Beta? To give it a try or to get ahead before the official release?
Beta is for mass testing, simple, how many of you have actually submitted bug reports instead of bleating on the forums? Beta isn't for grinding and getting ahead, its for finding issues and reporting them correctly so they can be fixed.
The game isn't released yet so CCP can do as they wish. I really do doubt those people that have abused the Beta phase in the hopes to get ahead will actually laave and if they do, so what, this game is going to be around for a while.
every build ive dropped into the same thing just to check the balance for caldari vehicles i submitt bug reports the balance gets worse overall sp really doesnt matter most of us will leave regardless because its no fun playing an unbalaced game. |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
55
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:01:00 -
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I would like a reset actually, even though i have like 11 mil sp now, a reset would really put things back into balance for EVERYONE new and old.
Of course we would need to have our boosters refunded, and possibly other aur items as well.
imagine all the militia vehicles and forge gun fits that will cover the battlefield lol |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
55
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:02:00 -
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Also official release is a good enough reason for me to warrant a reset. |
Vane Arcadia
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
128
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:09:00 -
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They should reset - fully on release. How do CCP,expect to encourage new players to stay. As a free game there isn't any financial encouragement to play more than a couple of rounds when they start. The only way to get people to stay is too make it fun. There is a real danger that the game will be stuck with a corp of old players which will diminish over time.
No I would not quit |
JX1
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:18:00 -
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It would only fix the problem of hardcores/AUR investors VS those who don't have time/money/feel for investing into AUR.
It would be a lot easier for new upcoming players to get into the game and get a sense of enjoying themselves, buying AUR, but it would not fix all these other problems.
After a full 500k SP reset everybody would go back to assault rifles, none the wiser. |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
22
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:20:00 -
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Vane Arcadia wrote:They should reset - fully on release. How do CCP,expect to encourage new players to stay. As a free game there isn't any financial encouragement to play more than a couple of rounds when they start. The only way to get people to stay is too make it fun. There is a real danger that the game will be stuck with a corp of old players which will diminish over time.
No I would not quit
So true. Being a free game, it is very important that the new players' VERY FIRST impression be an enjoyable one.
If they hop into their first match and are completely outmatched by better-geared, more experienced players, there is absolutely nothing preventing them from just deleting the game and moving on.
"Dust? Yeah, I tried it, got my ass kicked, didn't like it. Oh well, at least it didn't cost me anything."
If they enjoy themselves, they'll be more likely to stick around and, hopefully, some will spend money.
They don't even have to win, they only have to feel like they have the potential to win. This won't happen if they're thrown to the wolves, against seemingly unfair, unsurmountable odds, the very first time they play.
Any game needs new players, especially at launch, in order to thrive and survive. You cannot have a successful game by only catering to a handful of hardcore players. People need to stop thinking in selfish terms of how a reset would affect them personally, and start thinking about what is good for the game itself, and it's future.
There's a reason nearly every other game in existence has reset their players at the end of the beta. |
Big Boss XIII
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:21:00 -
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No but i would want something for all the time all of us have spent on grinding away to get it up |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
57
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:23:00 -
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Arramakaian Eka wrote:Deadeye Dic wrote:Delirium Inferno wrote:Yes. Honestly for the first month that's what I thought they were going to do. I'm in this for the long run, if we lose 4 months of beta skill points that's not such a bad thing. This must be your first beta. This is the first beta that I have ever seen let you keep what you got during beta, in the release. This. It's pretty strange that people seem to take it for granted there's no reset at launch, when this is the only game which doesn't have a reset. Every beta has a reset at launch. As if it's not enough of an advantage that beta players know the game inside and out, now CCP is giving us up to 10m SP on top of that.
11.5 million sp* |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
57
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:26:00 -
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Big Boss XIII wrote:No but i would want something for all the time all of us have spent on grinding away to get it up
your going to be getting lots of things, very important things like:
-critical game/map knowledge, including weapons and where to use them, which vehicles to use on certain maps, and which loadout to go with. -experience with multiple weapon types, and strategies, including modules and equipment usage and combinations as well. -experience with dropsuits and which one suits your playstyle best.
the list could actually probably more than double in length, unfortunately I'm too azy right now. |
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madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
57
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:27:00 -
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lazy* |
Heidoukan
Forsaken Immortals
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:28:00 -
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Reset the SP of everyone. It was a beta. Once a game goes live all SP/Exp/Equipment should be reset, period , end of story.
First game I've witnessed where all they earned during beta was not reset.
Aditional: Everyone who invested their hard earned cash on any type of AUR purchases should be given (opinion) :
1- 500k (example of starter SP, like its a new account) + Additional SP whereby X Amount of Aur = X Amount Additional SP (could be 10; 5000; 50,000 whatever)
and/or
2- Increased SP Earned per match and/or Increased ISK earned per match, during X Amount of Time (according to AUR spent). |
madd greazy
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
57
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:34:00 -
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Heidoukan wrote:Reset the SP of everyone. It was a beta. Once a game goes live all SP/Exp/Equipment should be reset, period , end of story.
First game I've witnessed where all they earned during beta was not reset.
Aditional: Everyone who invested their hard earned cash on any type of AUR purchases should be given (opinion) :
1- 500k (example of starter SP, like its a new account) + Additional SP whereby X Amount of Aur = X Amount Additional SP (could be 10; 5000; 50,000 whatever)
and/or
2- Increased SP Earned per match and/or Increased ISK earned per match, during X Amount of Time (according to AUR spent).
I don't think that would even be necessary, just refunding spent aurum and used items, would be enough. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:39:00 -
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Could care less been playing since closed beta, the trick i found with dust is to passive skill. Dust was made for casul gamers thiswhole time i played dust twice a month. Just to check how many sp accured in that time period. This allowed me to play other games.
Dust is a grind and then some but the passive skilling is awesome. I don't have to play more than once or twice a month. Plus i believe we will have double xp next week.
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Jin Robot
Polar Gooks
412
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:44:00 -
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I would not quit. The game is the grind. Been here 7 months and am ready to just get on with it. In a year this is a moot point. I wish the player base had a long view like CCP. They just need to really make match making so that there is always a match full of ppl with similar SP. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:44:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:Vane Arcadia wrote:They should reset - fully on release. How do CCP,expect to encourage new players to stay. As a free game there isn't any financial encouragement to play more than a couple of rounds when they start. The only way to get people to stay is too make it fun. There is a real danger that the game will be stuck with a corp of old players which will diminish over time.
No I would not quit So true. Being a free game, it is very important that the new players' VERY FIRST impression be an enjoyable one. If they hop into their first match and are completely outmatched by better-geared, more experienced players, there is absolutely nothing preventing them from just deleting the game and moving on. "Dust? Yeah, I tried it, got my ass kicked, didn't like it. Oh well, at least it didn't cost me anything." If they enjoy themselves, they'll be more likely to stick around and, hopefully, some will spend money. They don't even have to win, they only have to feel like they have the potential to win. This won't happen if they're thrown to the wolves, against seemingly unfair, unsurmountable odds, the very first time they play. Any game needs new players, especially at launch, in order to thrive and survive. You cannot have a successful game by only catering to a handful of hardcore players. People need to stop thinking in selfish terms of how a reset would affect them personally, and start thinking about what is good for the game itself, and it's future. There's a reason nearly every other game in existence has reset their players at the end of the beta.
This, 1000x times this.
We need to understand that attracting and retaining new players is the key to Dust's success and survival. It is a F2P game, so there is practically zero investment on the part of the new player - this means they have zero loss if they just delete the game in disgust after getting pubstomped by a 6-man squad which wipes everyone away in their protogear and two HAVs.
Us vets get a huge headstart by knowing the game, maps, and skill system already. We don't need up to 15m SP headstart by the 14th to make the disparity even wider.
Reset for everyone all the way. |
OG- Kush
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 12:56:00 -
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absolutely.. in fact already quit due to a joke of a patch... |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
22
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:05:00 -
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OG- Kush wrote:absolutely.. in fact already quit due to a joke of a patch...
If you've already quit, then the point is moot, isn't it? |
Smoky The Bear
Intergalactic Cannibus Cartel
37
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:14:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:OG- Kush wrote:absolutely.. in fact already quit due to a joke of a patch... If you've already quit, then the point is moot, isn't it?
How is the server dying a moot point? |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege
25
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:19:00 -
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Smoky The Bear wrote:Jaqen Morghalis wrote:OG- Kush wrote:absolutely.. in fact already quit due to a joke of a patch... If you've already quit, then the point is moot, isn't it? How is the server dying a moot point?
The question is: Would you quit if everyone's SP was reset.
You've already quit, so it is essentially a non-issue for you, since you are no longer playing anyway.
Would YOU or wouldn't YOU quit, is a moot point. |
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Charlotte O'Dell
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz Noir. Mercenary Group
318
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:33:00 -
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yes |
stormtroopin
Cygnus Tactical Operations
64
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:35:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Would you quit if everyone's Sp was reset back to 500K? Yes.
hooc order wrote:If yes then doesn't that tell you that the SP leveling system is broken? Not really. Just means I'd be irritated at the wasted year I've spent testing dust with the promise that I would get to keep everything moving out of beta.
hooc order wrote:If yes doesn't that tell you game play is really not all that fun anymore with the update? Yes.
hooc order wrote:If yes then how do you think a new player feels when they come here and not only start with 500K Sp but have to go up against people with 8 million SP? Probably pretty sh!tty.
hooc order wrote:What chance is there that if you were them that you would stay for very long? Zero. Slim chance I'll keep playing even though I'm a vet. |
Caeli SineDeo
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
445
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:37:00 -
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I would leave. Really would not look foward to a 5 month grind to get back to where I am. And vehicle gameplay in this game is broken currently. So no reason for me to come back. Maybe if in the future I see that they get there shiit together. But that probably will not happen. |
Tenchu-13
What The French CRONOS.
99
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:48:00 -
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'It is impossible to please everyone in live'
Noobs will get stumped on, reset or not, that simply is a fact. Skills and weapons aren't the only things that makes a corp dangerous. Teamwork, communication, gungame and routine is what should scare them... not the fact one equipped an advanced or proto suit.
The matchmaking problems have already been pointed out numerous times, and that IS the only solution for this. Make 'noob' only matches. ANY other solution will NOT prevent them from being bulldozered by squads that know how to play - since they have been doing so for almost a year.
Whatever the outcome I will be there, with or without my current SP level. |
KatanaPT
Tech Guard General Tso's Alliance
105
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:49:00 -
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No. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:01:00 -
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nope, I think I'd be done.
it was fresh and new while I grinned up to my current sp, testing new things. it would just be tedious grinding with another reset been their and done that, not interested in doing it again. |
total masshole
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:11:00 -
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sticking around to AFK regrind a niche game ... yea that sounds awesome, sign me up please. |
Bubba Brown
Militaires Sans Jeux
48
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:12:00 -
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LORD no, i'd be fine with it. of course, i have 3mil sp, not 12mil like some crazies on here.
but generally the "race to the top" during each patch is really damn fun |
kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N. Gentlemen's Agreement
35
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:56:00 -
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No, I wouldn't quit. In fact, I think it's a valid suggestion and consideration. I think everyone needs to take a step back and take a look at this from a high level point of view. Think of this from a business perspective. What is the purpose of any true business? It's to make money. There can be billions of different ways to make that money, but the goal at the end of the day is to make money.
CCP has to constantly think about this while we gamers don't. Yes, they want to put out a great product in order to retain the current customers. But a major key is to also attract new ones. As long as there is a gain in customers, that is a win for CCP. I'm more than positive they've had these discussions. They have to weigh out the positives and negatives of doing a full reset. How many players will they lose? And then they compare that to how many new customers will start this game on the 14th and retain this game after getting stomped repeatedly, if there isn't a reset.
My personal opinion is that a large majority of new players will not stick with this game. It might appeal to them in concept and play style and potential, but they will get very tired of going up against us veterans with proto gear and leveled out skills. As has been stated before, new players have no reason to stick with this game; they don't pay anything for it, and they can easily delete it from their HD. So, what will retain a large majority of these players and incentivize them to spend real money?
If CCP doesn't make money with this game, then there won't be a game to play. There has to be sacrifice in order for the game to continue and evolve.
I wouldn't be pleased with a full reset, but I would completely understand it. And I truly feel that most players--even based on this post--would stick around and still play. Yes, CCP would lose some of the veterans, but in comparison to how many new players would pick up the game and then stick with it (and spend tons of $$$$), I think it's a no brainer.
I think there are other ways to solve these issues, but this thread is intended for discussion on a full reset.
Happy Gaming!!! |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
473
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:57:00 -
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Tenchu-13 wrote:The matchmaking problems have already been pointed out numerous times, and that IS the only solution for this. Make 'noob' only matches. ANY other solution will NOT prevent them from being bulldozered by squads that know how to play - since they have been doing so for almost a year.
There aren't enough players for any matchmaking system to work properly, unless you and many others are willing to wait for minutes if not tens of minutes to get matched with players of similar skill/gear. N00bs are even less likely to do that than vets. |
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