Imposing a speed limit (turning speed) to mouse users is literally stupid

Mouse feels like its under control of deadzone and acceleration. Unusable.

You are bad and should feel ashamed of yourself.

Also, damn the railgun now turns fast with a 6400 DPI mouse, had to step the DPI down quite a bit to properly aim.

You are too slow to feel the effect lol

Nope.

Unplayable with KB/M. The main reason i played this game is because the KB/M worked so flawless. If they keep it this way, im quitting next week.

You forgot this is a Playstation 3 consol game right...

Heh, the mouse got nerfed! I was getting jealous of how easy mouse users were moving around and making head shots.

I'm guessing there will be adjustments until DS3 and mouse users are approximately event... ?

Cry some more why don't you. This is a PS3 game, therefore should use PS3 controller. U just mad bc your kdr is going to drop like a rock now that you don't have the huge advantage that using a mouse gives. Guess we will find out who is actually good at this game and who isn't now.

Imposing a speed limit (turning speed) to mouse users is literally stupid

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please make mouse raw input movement

remove all "filters" and "accelerations" and everything

just simple raw input to camera control please

no "speed limits" "virtual joystick" bullshet please

Also there is input lag please fix this

Just thought you should know, the PS3 launched with KB/M support, and was a big talking point because of it. So this idea that "it's a PS3 game" doesn't matter, the console supports both control schemes.

of course you are not feeling it, you are too slow

Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.

Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.

Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.

Cry some more why don't you. This is a PS3 game, therefore should use PS3 controller. U just mad bc your kdr is going to drop like a rock now that you don't have the huge advantage that using a mouse gives. Guess we will find out who is actually good at this game and who isn't now.

Nope. Now you are same as the rest of us. Suck it.

Nope. Now you are same as the rest of us. Suck it.

but if the mouse inputs are genuinely messed up, the controller users now have an advantage

To the OP:

Yes, the mouse feels like moving underwater
Should it be fixed? No: free-moving mouse makes DS3 users useless.

If you expect balance between mouse and DS3, mouse has to be slowed down since DS3 can't go faster.
I feels unnatural, it is unnatural after playing a PC shooter, but you should hold a couple of weeks to get used to (or swap to DS3) and if you keep disliking it, you can always leave for real, watching you throwing tantrums gets boring after a while (even if that's an alt made exclusively for that )

Shooters shouldn't even be played with gamepads. The first shooters, which pioneered this type of game, were built from the ground up to support keyboard/mouse. So, anyone playing with a gamepad is an idiot, or isn't a serious shooter.

Kb/m isn't an advantage, it's just the way the game is supposed to be played. It uses your actual reflexes and judgement, not the in-game avatar's. Not sure if you're capable of making sense of that logic, but it is sound.

Good.

Wow please just STFU! This is PS3!!! a Console!!! Obviously I am gonna use the CONSOLE controller to play the game on the PS3 CONSOLE! Wow you are a moron..

introducing unnecessary lag and "disruption" to the control is not "balance"

there is only one way to describe this logic: "retaded"

THIS IS MY FAVORITE THREAD EVER

SO MANY FRESH, VIRGIN TEARS!

Ccp had stated before that the mouse turn speed would be set at the same speed as a controler. However that was the last build. What we have now is not that. It is much slower and broke. They will fix it I'm sure. Ccp has been struggling with mouse control since the build it was introduced.

Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistic human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.

To all you mouse and keyboard users, I just have to say....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistc human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.

I'm willing to bet your ability to acquire targets within your field of view is not significantly altered, but if it is then that's truly messed up. However, if the game is now preventing you from acquiring targets nearly instantaneously from a 360 degree radius, then that's what we call "fair."

Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.

Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play.

Basically we have the turn-limit (which I can deal with, seriously..), mouse acceleration, smoothing (that can be turned off, thankfully), negative mouse acceleration (mouse input slows with faster inputs meaning it's not 1:1), aim assist (that regardless of what I do still causes aim assist to kick in)...

... all on top an even narrower field of view.



Says a dude who enjoys aim-assist, and huge hitboxes, right? Who has more advantages in that respect, especially when the console does that work?

Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.

Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play.

Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.)

You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better.

Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.)

You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better.

Stop crying you aren't getting a buff against controller users no more.

Turn speed being capped is a stupid idea in general, for controller or mouse.

True, but fair play is best.

Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller?

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[quote=Mitsuko'Souma]Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.

Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller?

I agreed. I hear from a Local PlayStation Home User says that Keyboard and Mouse is waaaaaaay too Advance.

As to this thread itself. I still feel i have no Speed Limit because i set it to 90. it just improves for a bit

PS3 has more then just shooters. However It supports KB/M, which is one reason I chose it over any other. Now a good game comes out offering support, and the support is nerfed to hell, thereby rendering kb/m support pointless.

Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.

Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play.

Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****.

Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.

Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****.

Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.

Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****.

Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.

lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user

How do you insta-spin with a controller?

Pro-tip: YOU CAN'T.

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But the turn speed limit was always MEANT to be there

Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.

It might be a PS3. But if you advertise a KB/M setting you should make it work. Not limit it to the design of a controller promising KB/M support.
Why do people think it requires less skill to play with a mouse then a controller? On what information is that based?

On what statistical fact do you lean to support the claim that controllers are less accurate then a mouse?
Please CCP change it back to pre-patch.

Point, missing it.

So what is it then? Please enlighten me.

Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistic human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.

Controllers are far from realistic human capacity, mouse is much closer. All those "tactical" advantages are done by all players. Don't blame us because you choose to use an objectively worse control scheme

If you put in a method of control, do it the right way and in a way that doesn't screw over everyone using it.

If you just want to nerf it to the point lf uselessness because you 'think it shouldn't be in anyway', then don't bother putting it in and giving those of us with a preference a middle finger after the bait and switch.

I play this game because like how slow and tactical it is compared to the other 'standard' shooters, and because it allows KB/M.

I'm not at all interested in playing an FPS with the controller, at least not competitively.

The fact remains, if the mouse allowed your character to turn faster than was intended by CCP, then it was an issue that needed to be addressed, especially if the turn speed was faster than that of a DS3 player. Different controller schemes are supposed to be different, not just plain better.

Learn to play. Mouse users don't rely on aim assist. Maybe if you weren't choosing an inferior controller

It's not a matter of skill
Lets imagine a aim skill scale (0-10)
All numbers are made up btw.
On DS3 you can improve your aim to say.... 5 in 1 year of playing FPS
On mouse you can improve your aim to a little more lets say 6

5 years later, the DS3 player got the 7 and the DS3 can't go further (he has to use tactics to improve, because he can't improve aim-wise)
Mouse meanwhile sits at 10 and is wondering when 10K DPI mouses will be available so he can get the 12 out of 10.

So the mouse player is gonna headshot 5 times while the DS3 player gets 1 and some body hits; that is called unfair play. Making mouse slow is the logic step, but it feels weird since no PC FPS feels the need to do it mainly because it's stupid since everyone is using M/KB

Use a dualshock.

If keyboard and mouse players got their controls unhindered, they'd be massacring everyone in every game and would make the game unplayable for those who don't really care to pull out a keyboard and mouse to play a PS3 game.

Aim-assist has to do with precise aiming when a target is already acquired. That has nothing to do with a mouse being able to spin a character's aim anywhere in a 360 degree radius in a fraction of a second, which is the specific advantage of a mouse and keyboard over a controller.

Aim-assist has to do with precise aiming when a target is already acquired. That has nothing to do with a mouse being able to spin a character's aim anywhere in a 360 degree radius in a fraction of a second, which is the specific advantage of a mouse and keyboard over a controller.

No.

Then quit, you dumbass. You're playing on the PS3, not your computer.

Then quit, you dumbass. You're playing on the PS3, not your computer.

This is NOT a debate if a controller vs mouse is better, if it is either way then use it....

A mouse has felt a certain way to every person on the planet while growing up. There isn't a mouse user on FPS that has ever wanted software to interfere with her/his physical mouse movements.

Many of us play DUST on PS3 and have even BOUGHT a PS3 because of its mouse and keyboard availability for a CCP product.

Start polling the top players on the kill charts and what control scheme they even use. This arguement is moot purely on that point(its ds3), Why alienate, impede and restart every mouse user's learning curve for any FPS ,ever... for the sake of a endless arguement and biased review of it ?

The PS3 has had M/KB support you idiot, claiming it's on console doesn't matter.

Can't do it on BF3 or COD without essentially bypassing the original limits of the game and buying extra equipment, and it completely ruins the game for everybody else, so of course it matters.

If you can't cut it with a dualshock or the current limits on the mouse and keyboard, quit like the idiot that you are and go play an FPS on the PC. Letting you play with a huge advantage over everyone who doesn't use a mouse and keyboard, but rather the controller that comes with the PS3 is just asinine.

Can't do it on BF3 or COD without essentially bypassing the original limits of the game and buying extra equipment, and it completely ruins the game for everybody else, so of course it matters.

If you can't cut it with a dualshock or the current limits on the mouse and keyboard, quit like the idiot that you are and go play an FPS on the PC. Letting you play with a huge advantage over everyone who doesn't use a mouse and keyboard, but rather the controller that comes with the PS3 is just asinine.

Can't do it on BF3 or COD without essentially bypassing the original limits of the game and buying extra equipment, and it completely ruins the game for everybody else, so of course it matters.

If you can't cut it with a dualshock or the current limits on the mouse and keyboard, quit like the idiot that you are and go play an FPS on the PC. Letting you play with a huge advantage over everyone who doesn't use a mouse and keyboard, but rather the controller that comes with the PS3 is just asinine.

but if the mouse inputs are genuinely messed up, the controller users now have an advantage

i'm totally cool with the mouse speed limit, that's completely fine for me. keeps things from becoming too twitch based

what i am NOT COOL with is the ******** mismatch between horizontal and vertical sensitivity.

seriously, draw a circle with your mouse, you character will look around IN AN ELIPSE, it's really awful in combat because you constantly jerk upwards or downwards too far.

Maybe it's ccp's way of saying stop head shotting everything with your mouse.

Right because headshots always happen without effort right....

I can still bypass the turn speed limits by upping my mouse DPI up, currently ive been playing since open beta with 1400 dpi, and my mouse goes up to 6400 dpi, so i can still adjust my turn limit to be 5 times more then this.

And my mouse sports dual axis input support so i can filter out most of the axis imbalance but it still feels very off even when the up down axis is at 1500 dpi and left right at 2000 dpi.

And appart from the mouse acceleration, It feels like my mouse drives the controller that in its turn drives the game, causing massive input lag.

Also when i have nothing in my sights, movement seems better, when i get someone moving in front of me, the input slows down regardless of aim assist on or off.

Ive tried pretty much all settings on my mouse and i cannot get it anywhere near a "normal" level of operation, it feels like all of a sudden you get pulled over by cops that give me a ticket for driving my car with my hands, witch is now illegal and i should use my feet from now on.

I honestly think its because ccp think they've made a mistake with including kb/m in battle. They bowed to pressure on it when there was very little players to drum up support.

Now they've realised there mistake, they can't take it out? They promised it. So rather than remove it, they've made it useless (ie no benefit over using a ds3).

They couldn't stop people from using it by lowering the speeds ect, because people just turn them back up again, limiting the max speed still does not limit the factoring issue either, the major issue with kb/m vs ds3 was never speed, it was control. So they have limited your control

1.) Calm down
2.) Disable mouse smoothing to use the high DPI raw input of your mouse
3.) Frag away

Mouse feels like its under control of deadzone and acceleration. Unusable.

I can't aim assault rifles for crap now. I can at least use SMGs and shotguns somewhat well... but assault rifle users are screwed.

CCP, fix this **** or I'm gone. No one competitive is going to take this game seriously as an FPS with you screwing over KB/M users.

I don't know what you did, but you screwed us over bad.

You know what is really odd...

yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn

Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.

witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.

It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...

I cant turn off something that isnt on in the first place, there is no raw mouse input anymore its being routed trough a gerbil mainframe.

Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks

Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work.

But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output...

But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support.

Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work.

But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output...

But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support.

Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.

So does it take long to do a 180 turn? can you also comment on consistency (linearity) of movement? (e.g. when I move my mouse 2 cm I will get a consistent turn distance and not sometimes little sometimes a lot)

that keeps heavies from turning a 180 in half a second. props to ccp.

It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.

1) CCP Needs to unfsck whatever they did to KB/M.

2) KB/M Haters need to get over it. This game is coming to PC eventually and there will be more KB/M users than you can count. A Keyboard and Mouse combo can be had for $20 on Amazon. Your PS3 has USB ports. HTFU or cry about it after the PC version launches.

3) Some of the top players in this game use DS3, so everyone's personal opinions aside, the DS3 is a very competitive option.

1) CCP Needs to unfsck whatever they did to KB/M.

2) KB/M Haters need to get over it. This game is coming to PC eventually and there will be more KB/M users than you can count. A Keyboard and Mouse combo can be had for $20 on Amazon. Your PS3 has USB ports. HTFU or cry about it after the PC version launches.

3) Some of the top players in this game use DS3, so everyone's personal opinions aside, the DS3 is a very competitive option.