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Freyar Tarkin
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:10:00 -
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Controls are royally screwed. Mouse input is a pain in the ass simply because it's always so inconsistent. Firing from the hip? Input's fine. Firing with the sights? Input is slowed down to a crawl. Firing from the hip at a target that's moving across your screen? Not only does aim assist get in the way it actively slows down input while you're trying to hit a target too.
Look, I understand the idea of needing to cap rotation speed (even if it's annoying as hell to a mouse user), but I can live with that. The rest of this stuff though? Such a pain.
It seems like the promise for mouse and keyboard support really ought to just be taken out, because it seems like for every time they push to try and do something proper, controller players whine which makes the keyboard and mouse unusable. One step forward, two steps back kind of thing. Maybe I ought to give up and just try the Move again.
Mitsuko'Souma wrote:Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.
Get a mouse and keyboard then if it's better for this type of game? (I use both inputs depending on what I'm doing at the time.) |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:14:00 -
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You know what would be awesome? The left half of the Dualshock 3, with a mouse.
General Sideboob wrote:Nope. Now you are same as the rest of us. Suck it. It'll kill it for me and plenty of others. The inconsistency is causing a bit of motion sickness. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:21:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Wow please just STFU! This is PS3!!! a Console!!! Obviously I am gonna use the CONSOLE controller to play the game on the PS3 CONSOLE! Wow you are a moron..
Go ahead, but we don't limit your input range. Consider having a ring put around your thumbstick's range limiting you to 60% throw. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:24:00 -
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mongahu wrote:Ccp had stated before that the mouse turn speed would be set at the same speed as a controler. However that was the last build. What we have now is not that. It is much slower and broke. They will fix it I'm sure. Ccp has been struggling with mouse control since the build it was introduced.
Basically we have the turn-limit (which I can deal with, seriously..), mouse acceleration, smoothing (that can be turned off, thankfully), negative mouse acceleration (mouse input slows with faster inputs meaning it's not 1:1), aim assist (that regardless of what I do still causes aim assist to kick in)...
... all on top an even narrower field of view.
Matakage wrote:Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistic human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.
Says a dude who enjoys aim-assist, and huge hitboxes, right? Who has more advantages in that respect, especially when the console does that work? |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
96
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:27:00 -
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General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play.
Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.)
You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:34:00 -
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General Sideboob wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.) You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better. True, but fair play is best.
Indeed, but that's why I don't typically have an issue with the speed camp on turning. (Dealt with it in Planetside, I can deal with it here.) The problem is everything else they've done to input and the field of view.
Logi Bro wrote:Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller?
I have a PC, and I'd be playing DUST on that if it were offered, but it's not. That and CCP said that keyboard and mouse support would be there, it's just a shame that it's **** poor to the point where it'll make players sick and unable to play. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:36:00 -
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Crazed Capitalist wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller? PS3 has more then just shooters. However It supports KB/M, which is one reason I chose it over any other. Now a good game comes out offering support, and the support is nerfed to hell, thereby rendering kb/m support pointless.
One step forward, two steps back. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:51:00 -
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Matakage wrote:Crazed Capitalist wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Learn to play. Mouse users don't rely on aim assist. Maybe if you weren't choosing an inferior controller Aim-assist has to do with precise aiming when a target is already acquired. That has nothing to do with a mouse being able to spin a character's aim anywhere in a 360 degree radius in a fraction of a second, which is the specific advantage of a mouse and keyboard over a controller.
Aim Assist has nothing to do with precise aiming other than magnetizing your input to stay on a target a bit more than it would otherwise. Take a game with aim assist, watch as it slows down and how it "nudges" a little to follow the target. Some games are stronger than others (Battlefield 3's beta in which I tested for all three platforms had a MASSIVE amount for the PS3 to the point where I literally didn't have to touch the stick to have the camera follow the target as he ran across my screen), but the principle is the same. Allow a user with an imprecise controller have a little leeway by letting it "snap" to a target a bit more with larger hitboxes. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:57:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Selinate deux wrote:Use a dualshock.
If keyboard and mouse players got their controls unhindered, they'd be massacring everyone in every game and would make the game unplayable for those who don't really care to pull out a keyboard and mouse to play a PS3 game. No. Then quit, you dumbass. You're playing on the PS3, not your computer.
A console that supports keyboard and mouse, in a game that was advertised to have keyboard and mouse support... that doesn't work? |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:59:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:This is NOT a debate if a controller vs mouse is better, if it is either way then use it....
A mouse has felt a certain way to every person on the planet while growing up. There isn't a mouse user on FPS that has ever wanted software to interfere with her/his physical mouse movements.
Many of us play DUST on PS3 and have even BOUGHT a PS3 because of its mouse and keyboard availability for a CCP product.
Start polling the top players on the kill charts and what control scheme they even use. This arguement is moot purely on that point(its ds3), Why alienate, impede and restart every mouse user's learning curve for any FPS ,ever... for the sake of a endless arguement and biased review of it ?
Because internet, sir. |
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Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 01:11:00 -
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Selinate deux wrote:Can't do it on BF3 or COD without essentially bypassing the original limits of the game and buying extra equipment, and it completely ruins the game for everybody else, so of course it matters.
If you can't cut it with a dualshock or the current limits on the mouse and keyboard, quit like the idiot that you are and go play an FPS on the PC. Letting you play with a huge advantage over everyone who doesn't use a mouse and keyboard, but rather the controller that comes with the PS3 is just asinine.
Those games didn't advertise support for keyboard and mouse. I don't see why this is such a difficult subject to understand. Support was promised, it's **** poor, and is actually gotten worse with the last update. Regardless of the performance limitations of controller versus keyboard and mouse, the promise was made, and it's not being kept too well right now. |
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