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Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:29:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:
Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.)
You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better.
I'm not sure sure console players getting pwned by mouse players leads to more players. |
General Sideboob
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:29:00 -
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Freyar Tarkin wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.) You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better.
True, but fair play is best. |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
280
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:30:00 -
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Turn speed being capped is a stupid idea in general, for controller or mouse. What, the heavy isn't screwed enough? lol.
But seriously, there is some major input delay since uprising. Very difficult to use a mouse right now. |
Crazed Capitalist
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:32:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:
Stop crying you aren't getting a buff against controller users no more.
It's not a buff, you're just handicapping yourself. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
1401
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:33:00 -
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Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller? |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2717
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:34:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Turn speed being capped is a stupid idea in general, for controller or mouse.
How do you insta-spin with a controller?
Pro-tip: YOU CAN'T.
The way the sixaxis controller operates IS A BUILT-IN TURN SPEED LIMIT. Mouse turning shouldn't be faster than the sixaxis can manage.
Mouse users have their controls screwed up, I'll agree with that. But the turn speed limit was always MEANT to be there, it was a glitch people were exploiting to circumvent it in Chromosome. Sixaxis controls are screwed now as well, though not as badly as some of the issues with the mouse. |
Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
99
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:34:00 -
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General Sideboob wrote:Freyar Tarkin wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Nope, I'll likely drop this game and go back to EvE and Battlefield. If the input isn't good, and the field of view makes me physically ill, I won't stick with it and CCP will lose money along with reputation (as I can't recommend it to any of my friends right now.) You've got this weird opinion that less players is good for the community, remember that this is a free-to-play game, more players is better. True, but fair play is best.
Indeed, but that's why I don't typically have an issue with the speed camp on turning. (Dealt with it in Planetside, I can deal with it here.) The problem is everything else they've done to input and the field of view.
Logi Bro wrote:Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller?
I have a PC, and I'd be playing DUST on that if it were offered, but it's not. That and CCP said that keyboard and mouse support would be there, it's just a shame that it's **** poor to the point where it'll make players sick and unable to play. |
Al Lopestes
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:34:00 -
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Mitsuko'Souma wrote:[quote=Crazed Capitalist]
[quote=Mitsuko'Souma]Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.
I agreed. I hear from a Local PlayStation Home User says that Keyboard and Mouse is waaaaaaay too Advance.
As to this thread itself. I still feel i have no Speed Limit because i set it to 90. it just improves for a bit |
Crazed Capitalist
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:35:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller?
PS3 has more then just shooters. However It supports KB/M, which is one reason I chose it over any other. Now a good game comes out offering support, and the support is nerfed to hell, thereby rendering kb/m support pointless. |
General Sideboob
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:36:00 -
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Al Lopestes wrote:Mitsuko'Souma wrote:[quote=Crazed Capitalist]
[quote=Mitsuko'Souma]Yes, it does, but previously KB/M users had a massive advantage over controller users, which is just wrong in so many ways. Now they are trying to make them equal, I no longer have a problem with KB/M support. It's really funny to see all the mouse users crying.
I agreed. I hear from a Local PlayStation Home User says that Keyboard and Mouse is waaaaaaay too Advance. As to this thread itself. I still feel i have no Speed Limit because i set it to 90. it just improves for a bit
Yeah, what he said. |
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Freyar Tarkin
Escapist Magazine
99
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:36:00 -
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Crazed Capitalist wrote:Logi Bro wrote:Buy yourself a PC if the very thought of using a DS3 gives you stigmata. Why would you even own a PS3 if you can't cope with a non-KBM controller? PS3 has more then just shooters. However It supports KB/M, which is one reason I chose it over any other. Now a good game comes out offering support, and the support is nerfed to hell, thereby rendering kb/m support pointless.
One step forward, two steps back. |
Infekti0n
One-Armed Bandits
Atrocitas
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:42:00 -
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It might be a PS3. But if you advertise a KB/M setting you should make it work. Not limit it to the design of a controller promising KB/M support.
Why do people think it requires less skill to play with a mouse then a controller? On what information is that based? On what statistical fact do you lean to support the claim that controllers are less accurate then a mouse?
Please CCP change it back to pre-patch. |
Drogan Reeth
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz
Noir. Mercenary Group
36
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:45:00 -
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General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play.
Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****.
Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick. |
Crazed Capitalist
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:47:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****. Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.
Or if you're playing a flight combat game you cannot use a flightstick or your game's FPS will drop to 15 just to make it "fair" |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
132
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:48:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****. Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.
Wait...are you telling me they aren't supposed to do that?
SON OF A ****! |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2717
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:52:00 -
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Drogan Reeth wrote:General Sideboob wrote:Fact of the matter is all the KBM dorks thought they had skills because the rest of us were too lazy to plug a mouse in and went with the DS3 instead.
Now CCP has told them they don't have skills, and made the playing field more even. Ha ha ha. Kiss it bro. You gonna get tore in half now unless you learn to play. Hijacking ppl's controllers does not mean they don't have skill. It means you are a ****. Imagine a game company made a racing game and said you can use a racing wheel if you like, but if you do a random person will appear and punch you in the face while you are driving to make up for the fact that wheel is better then a joystick.
They're hijacking sixaxis controller functionality as well. There are issues, there are elements of control that need to be fixed for EVERY scheme (still... only properly fixed this time, instead of being made merely a different kind of terrible), nobody's going to dispute that with any validity. But the turn speed cap is a valid balance mechanic. You can still get max turn speed without loss of precision, but you CAN'T turn faster than a sixaxis controller is able to turn.
That doesn't mean that mouse control isn't screwed, and I think it's screwed by one of the problems that screws sixaxis players too - turn acceleration. Trying to hold a steady turning rate ISN'T POSSIBLE NOW. Holding your right stick on a steady angle or moving the mouse at a constant speed results in rapidly increasing turn speed instead of a stable rate of rotation. |
Schalac 17
DUST University
Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:54:00 -
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Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers
EoN.
46
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:01:00 -
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I'm just playing the new build now with straight militia gear to avoid wasting SP. I was expecting to get stomped on, especially with the mouse being all weird, but I found out pretty quick that if you look down your sights, the problem is minimized to nearly not even being relevant anymore. The turn speed isn't any slower with your sights up now and the bullets hit right where you're aiming. I even 1v1'd a couple proto suits with all low level stuff and won.
The only drawback is that if anyone is at a distance, good look hitting them. It's not impossible, but I have the sensitivity up high-ish so I can fight up close. It's hard to hone in on players that are at any kind of distance. But I heard that the AR range has been significantly nerfed anyway, so whatever.
Oh, and turn off aim assist. For the love of God, turn off your aim assist. |
Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
58
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:04:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Turn speed being capped is a stupid idea in general, for controller or mouse. How do you insta-spin with a controller? Pro-tip: YOU CAN'T. [...] But the turn speed limit was always MEANT to be there
There was a turn speed limit in chromosome....I couldn't insta-spin with my mouse. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:04:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.
Point, missing it. |
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Lasarte Ioni
Noob Gaming
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:07:00 -
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Infekti0n wrote:It might be a PS3. But if you advertise a KB/M setting you should make it work. Not limit it to the design of a controller promising KB/M support.
Why do people think it requires less skill to play with a mouse then a controller? On what information is that based?
It's not a matter of skill
Lets imagine a aim skill scale (0-10)
All numbers are made up btw.
On DS3 you can improve your aim to say.... 5 in 1 year of playing FPS
On mouse you can improve your aim to a little more lets say 6
5 years later, the DS3 player got the 7 and the DS3 can't go further (he has to use tactics to improve, because he can't improve aim-wise)
Mouse meanwhile sits at 10 and is wondering when 10K DPI mouses will be available so he can get the 12 out of 10.
So the mouse player is gonna headshot 5 times while the DS3 player gets 1 and some body hits; that is called unfair play. Making mouse slow is the logic step, but it feels weird since no PC FPS feels the need to do it mainly because it's stupid since everyone is using M/KB
Btw KB/M works, buy CCP wants it as fast as DS3 and you want it UT fast.
Infekti0n wrote:
On what statistical fact do you lean to support the claim that controllers are less accurate then a mouse?
Please CCP change it back to pre-patch.
Nobody talked about accuracy, just aim speed, everyone has played Counter Strike 1.6 (if not, YOU SHOULD) I can headshot a guy 20 away with my first shot making a slight move of waist while i need at least 1 sec to aim someone's body in DUST in fact KB/M has felt off for me since the beginning(slow and unresponsive as hell), but since I like DS3 better to play FPS (it becomes more about the tactic and correct positioning that pure reflexes, even if they help a lot) it hasn't been a problem. |
Schalac 17
DUST University
Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:08:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC. Point, missing it.
So what is it then? Please enlighten me. |
Weapon Kaiser
The Southern Legion
RISE of LEGION
1
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:10:00 -
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The devs play with KB/M so i'm assuming its some sort of bug, a bad default setting or something else. There's no way they would release uprising if mouse control was screwed up as badly as ppl say.
I finally patched the game so i'll try it out. My PS3 froze as soon as I got into the Merc Quarters.. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:15:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC. Point, missing it. So what is it then? Please enlighten me.
If you put in a method of control, do it the right way and in a way that doesn't screw over everyone using it.
If you just want to nerf it to the point lf uselessness because you 'think it shouldn't be in anyway', then don't bother putting it in and giving those of us with a preference a middle finger after the bait and switch.
I play this game because like how slow and tactical it is compared to the other 'standard' shooters, and because it allows KB/M.
I'm not at all interested in playing an FPS with the controller, at least not competitively. |
Matakage
WildCard Ninja Clan
33
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:17:00 -
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Matakage wrote:Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistic human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.
Says a dude who enjoys aim-assist, and huge hitboxes, right? Who has more advantages in that respect, especially when the console does that work?[/quote]
I love that your argument involves assuming things about me rather than directly addressing the issue. If it makes you feel better we, can pretend it's true. Will that wipe the tears of sadness away? |
Matakage
WildCard Ninja Clan
33
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:20:00 -
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Crazed Capitalist wrote:Matakage wrote:To all you mouse and keyboard users, I just have to say....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Poor babies don't get their split-second 360 turn headshots anymore. Aww, so sad. You're constrained to a realistc human capacity to aim and shoot? Oh crap! Now you might actually have to think about getting tactical advantages on your opponents by predicting their movement path and hitting them from the least expected angles of attack! You know, like everyone else who plays the game without an aiming advantage over everyone else.
I'm willing to bet your ability to acquire targets within your field of view is not significantly altered, but if it is then that's truly messed up. However, if the game is now preventing you from acquiring targets nearly instantaneously from a 360 degree radius, then that's what we call "fair." Controllers are far from realistic human capacity, mouse is much closer. All those "tactical" advantages are done by all players. Don't blame us because you choose to use an objectively worse control scheme
The fact remains, if the mouse allowed your character to turn faster than was intended by CCP, then it was an issue that needed to be addressed, especially if the turn speed was faster than that of a DS3 player. Different controller schemes are supposed to be different, not just plain better. |
Schalac 17
DUST University
Ivy League
77
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:21:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC. Point, missing it. So what is it then? Please enlighten me. If you put in a method of control, do it the right way and in a way that doesn't screw over everyone using it. If you just want to nerf it to the point lf uselessness because you 'think it shouldn't be in anyway', then don't bother putting it in and giving those of us with a preference a middle finger after the bait and switch. I play this game because like how slow and tactical it is compared to the other 'standard' shooters, and because it allows KB/M. I'm not at all interested in playing an FPS with the controller, at least not competitively.
I feel that it was massively improved in this build and your answer was just a 4 inch brush over a canvas. Granted I would like to be able to individually assign keystrokes to certain actions but other than the scorecard no longer coming up when I hit tab in the pregame, I like the new KB/M feel. It is more fluid now, and honestly twice as accurate. |
Balzich Rotaine
Rotaine Shipping Inc
30
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:23:00 -
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The ds3 is too slow as well. I have the sensitivity all the way up and it takes forever to turn. So I guess we are all on a level playing field. The whole game is in slow motion. |
Zyrus Amalomyn
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
100
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:23:00 -
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Fine, put in an option for you to keep this. I hate it completely. I was fine with the old system. I thought they were only going to tweak things for the controller users, then I got in game... and this crap floored me. |
Selinate deux
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
51
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Posted - 2013.05.07 00:23:00 -
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Use a dualshock.
If keyboard and mouse players got their controls unhindered, they'd be massacring everyone in every game and would make the game unplayable for those who don't really care to pull out a keyboard and mouse to play a PS3 game. |
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