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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:41:00 -
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Drommy Hood wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Drommy Hood wrote:Bubba Brown wrote:i'm totally cool with the mouse speed limit, that's completely fine for me. keeps things from becoming too twitch based
what i am NOT COOL with is the ******** mismatch between horizontal and vertical sensitivity.
seriously, draw a circle with your mouse, you character will look around IN AN ELIPSE, it's really awful in combat because you constantly jerk upwards or downwards too far. Maybe it's ccp's way of saying stop head shotting everything with your mouse. Right because headshots always happen without effort right.... I can still bypass the turn speed limits by upping my mouse DPI up, currently ive been playing since open beta with 1400 dpi, and my mouse goes up to 6400 dpi, so i can still adjust my turn limit to be 5 times more then this. And my mouse sports dual axis input support so i can filter out most of the axis imbalance but it still feels very off even when the up down axis is at 1500 dpi and left right at 2000 dpi. And appart from the mouse acceleration, It feels like my mouse drives the controller that in its turn drives the game, causing massive input lag. Also when i have nothing in my sights, movement seems better, when i get someone moving in front of me, the input slows down regardless of aim assist on or off. Ive tried pretty much all settings on my mouse and i cannot get it anywhere near a "normal" level of operation, it feels like all of a sudden you get pulled over by cops that give me a ticket for driving my car with my hands, witch is now illegal and i should use my feet from now on. I honestly think its because ccp think they've made a mistake with including kb/m in battle. They bowed to pressure on it when there was very little players to drum up support. Now they've realised there mistake, they can't take it out? They promised it. So rather than remove it, they've made it useless (ie no benefit over using a ds3). They couldn't stop people from using it by lowering the speeds ect, because people just turn them back up again, limiting the max speed still does not limit the factoring issue either, the major issue with kb/m vs ds3 was never speed, it was control. So they have limited your control
There is a big difference between limiting control witch i am fine with, vs not being able to control it at all, aiming with the mouse is so very off that there is NO resemblance of any control left.
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Kilmoor Valor 514
DISTRIBUTOR OF PAIN
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:47:00 -
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1.) Calm down
2.) Disable mouse smoothing to use the high DPI raw input of your mouse
3.) Frag away |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
191
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Posted - 2013.05.07 08:53:00 -
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Kilmoor Valor 514 wrote:1.) Calm down
2.) Disable mouse smoothing to use the high DPI raw input of your mouse
3.) Frag away
I cant turn off something that isnt on in the first place, there is no raw mouse input anymore its being routed trough a gerbil mainframe. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
71
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:07:00 -
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Phoenix Arakyd wrote:Mouse feels like its under control of deadzone and acceleration. Unusable.
that keeps heavies from turning a 180 in half a second. props to ccp. |
meri jin
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:26:00 -
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Zyrus Amalomyn wrote:I can't aim assault rifles for crap now. I can at least use SMGs and shotguns somewhat well... but assault rifle users are screwed.
CCP, fix this **** or I'm gone. No one competitive is going to take this game seriously as an FPS with you screwing over KB/M users.
I don't know what you did, but you screwed us over bad.
Maybe I can sheet some light in this.
In the build before this, I used both, mouse and DS3. I felt like the mouse is way more superior to a DS3 user, the gap between me as a mouse user and for who used DS3 was awesome huge. They had a really hard time fighting me. And IGÇÖm glad to hear, that this has changed. IGÇÖm playing with my DS3 now and I feel like this is the way a PS3 Shooter should bean playing. If you use a mouse, the mouse should feel like a DS3, and today the mouse it is still more accurate than a DS3.
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Rei Shepard
Spectre II
191
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:28:00 -
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You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
347
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:29:00 -
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Mouse is horribad now, cronos. gets my stuff im going to afk until this is fixed. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:30:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks |
Kazio De Vihura
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
12
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:32:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Kilmoor Valor 514 wrote:1.) Calm down
2.) Disable mouse smoothing to use the high DPI raw input of your mouse
3.) Frag away I cant turn off something that isnt on in the first place, there is no raw mouse input anymore its being routed trough a gerbil mainframe.
Strange I have smooth off and my old logitech mouse move so fast on 20% sensitivity then I can't control it. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
192
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:37:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks
Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work.
But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output...
But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support.
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:43:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work. But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output... But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support.
So does it take long to do a 180 turn? can you also comment on consistency (linearity) of movement? (e.g. when I move my mouse 2 cm I will get a consistent turn distance and not sometimes little sometimes a lot)
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meri jin
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2013.05.07 09:57:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work. But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output... But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support.
Some one using the Controller FragFX Shark Wireless like controller?
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:02:00 -
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CCP quickly make a promotion deal with Eagle Eye! That's what you do best! |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge
9
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:10:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
Except you don't. My mouse seems to run the game just fine and with smoothing off and mouse sensitivity at 90 cheapo logitech M-U0007 does the trick just fine. It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.
I am also using a cheap old PC mouse and to not see that big a difference from the previous build. Had to change the settings slightly. This could explain why I can kill proto ar players now which was impossible in the previous build. My mouse sensitivity is 40 at the moment. |
Rei Shepard
Spectre II
193
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:12:00 -
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5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:You know what is really odd...
yesterday i tried playing with my KB/M plugged into my PS3 raw, i ran 0/2, 2/2 or something close to it, couldnt aim a damn
Today, i plugged in my KB/M converter to DS3, tweaked settings a bit and wham 10/2 on the first match and it feels more natural then the actual KB/M support we have now.
witch is odd because now i am playing INSIDE the DS3 restriction box with my KB setup, witch is better then the native KB support.
It makes no sense to use a third party converter to get better response and aim out of the game...
Please tell me which converter you are using, I'm gonna buy it, thanks Its the Eagle Eye 3.0, i bought it a while back as insurance for when they would pull a stunt like this, it takes at least a full evening to configure correctly and you have to do the advanced calibration or it wont work. But its night and day between native KB/M control and the converters input/output... But really we should not be needing this to play a game that has native KB/M support. So does it take long to do a 180 turn? can you also comment on consistency (linearity) of movement? (e.g. when I move my mouse 2 cm I will get a consistent turn distance and not sometimes little sometimes a lot)
I need some more time to refine it completely but just plugging it in and going trough advanced calibration once gets me back up to 10/2 from 0/2 where if and when i kill its completely by accident.
And you actually have to calibrate and tweak it allot more but its a start.
There is however no more accelerated movement, so when you move 2 cm onscreen you move the same distance all the time.
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trollsroyce
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
347
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:16:00 -
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Let's make a constructive thread about this. This needs to be fixed asap.
I bought a ps3 only for the game, just to be shafted by an Erebus... |
Cosgar
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
514
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:18:00 -
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Good going CCP, now people will have a fair chance against people that can do a 180 on the fly. |
Acturus Galaxy
Horizons' Edge
9
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Posted - 2013.05.07 10:23:00 -
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low genius wrote:Phoenix Arakyd wrote:Mouse feels like its under control of deadzone and acceleration. Unusable. that keeps heavies from turning a 180 in half a second. props to ccp.
Hehe, this was definitely broken in the last build where I played heavy. Started only using the DS3 but after I found out I could turn instantly with a mouse there was no turning back. I think this has been the difference between heavies doing fine and the heavies not able to compete.
It was too easy to aim the forge gun with the mouse compared to using the DS3. I am glad this has changed to even out the difference tween DS3 and the mouse. |
5aEKUXeRJGJ27kCDnDVYak5q
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.05.07 15:29:00 -
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CCP please fix
or give us a date... |
Jungian
Ahrendee Mercenaries
43
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:30:00 -
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Schalac 17 wrote:Vickers S Grunt wrote:lol i guess u now move the same speed a a ds3 user
It is the people with the $100 mouse that are complaining. They fail to realize the PS3 is not a PC.
Really? Linux used to be possible to install on a PS3. Its close enough.
I dont know how much the logitech g500 is priced for you, but it didnt cost 100$ for me and the handling/sensitivity is not the same as before uprising that much can be said.
I feel it has gotten a lot more accelerated when looking up and down, vs side to side. |
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KA24DERT
Not Guilty
EoN.
26
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:40:00 -
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1) CCP Needs to unfsck whatever they did to KB/M.
2) KB/M Haters need to get over it. This game is coming to PC eventually and there will be more KB/M users than you can count. A Keyboard and Mouse combo can be had for $20 on Amazon. Your PS3 has USB ports. HTFU or cry about it after the PC version launches.
3) Some of the top players in this game use DS3, so everyone's personal opinions aside, the DS3 is a very competitive option. |
EVE-Daniel
Liandri Hel-Jumpers
Liandri Covenant
12
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Posted - 2013.05.07 16:47:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:1) CCP Needs to unfsck whatever they did to KB/M.
2) KB/M Haters need to get over it. This game is coming to PC eventually and there will be more KB/M users than you can count. A Keyboard and Mouse combo can be had for $20 on Amazon. Your PS3 has USB ports. HTFU or cry about it after the PC version launches.
3) Some of the top players in this game use DS3, so everyone's personal opinions aside, the DS3 is a very competitive option.
fix the keyboard layout and make the mouse control fitting selection at supply depots takes like 1 full minutes just to select something from there x.x |
DexKub
DEATH STORM CLAN
0
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:03:00 -
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Do not care - a shooter without a gaming mouse but it did not yesterday - it's doom early 90s.
-á what kind of garbage - play a shooter all my life - for the sake of Dust 514 console bought - but with a blunt joystick can only fly on airplanes - return myshu people
Comrades, let's petition to write!)))) |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
2746
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Posted - 2013.05.07 17:05:00 -
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KA24DERT wrote:1) CCP Needs to unfsck whatever they did to KB/M.
2) KB/M Haters need to get over it. This game is coming to PC eventually and there will be more KB/M users than you can count. A Keyboard and Mouse combo can be had for $20 on Amazon. Your PS3 has USB ports. HTFU or cry about it after the PC version launches.
3) Some of the top players in this game use DS3, so everyone's personal opinions aside, the DS3 is a very competitive option.
1. Yes. They also need to fix what they broke with Sixaxis controls.
2. Source? The game hasn't been announced for PC at any point. Ever. Where are you getting that from? Yes, a lot of idiots here think that "console game" means "don't bother trying to balance the control schemes fairly, just trash the non-standard options", but there are LEGITIMATE reasons why there SHOULD BE A CAPPED TURN SPEED. And it's NOT something unprecedented in PC FPS games.
3. It is when you're not up against people exploiting the glitches in the previous build which allowed for extra vehicle speed using the kayboard, and when you're not up against people exploiting a variable-DPI mouse to break the turn speed restriction, anyway. Those problems have been fixed, but more have been introduced that tipped the scales too far the other way.
A turn speed cap is stil THE ONLY VALID WAY TO BALANCE THE CONTROL SCHEMES. THAT ISN'T THE PROBLEM.
-Mouse gets almost-constant input lag. Sixaxis gets occasional input lag. Mouse is a worse control option.
-Mouse aim with acceleration is actually unplayable. Sixaxis acceleration is only a problem for certain players, and can be adapted to - to a certain degree. Mouse is a worse control option, but Sixaxis is also worse than it was.
-Mouse control has no ability to select equipment properly, and is similarly incapable of proper selection of vehicle modules. Sixaxis feels slightly different when doing this, but isn't any worse. Mouse is a worse control option, but Sixaxis is still in need of improvement.
THESE are legitimate problems, and they're problems with BOTH control schemes, NOT JUST MOUSE AND KEYBOARD. |
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