Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary

What will persist?

Character name, Contacts, Corporation, Stats/Leaderboards, Mail, AUR and ISK currencies, PSN items and items received from events (those not purchasable on the in-game market)

What will be removed or changed? And what will be reimbursed?

All AUR items will be cleared and users reimbursed with their current AUR value (with exceptions noted previously, such as Militia BPOs).

So you are a hard core EvE player?

Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears.

I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me.

Would really like to do that actually at some point. Though I need to sit down, play the build, talk it over in corp, and then write down a few ideas.

So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....

Rofl.

Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did?

So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....

Rofl.

Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did?

Somebody with competitive heavy knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are.

Hey, you're more than welcome to believe whatever you want about me (like this bullshit about me playing more EVE than Dust, or that I haven't played other shooters extensively) but if you don't try, you've just guaranteed yourself that you will not have a voice.

Plenty of other people WILL take that chance on me, and they'll find out the truth sooner or later. Be lazy* and silent, or take a risk. Your choice. How badly do you want to make the game better?

*Pro tip - doing a search on posting history works wonders for proving that you're not a dipshit. If you had, you'd already know plenty about my experience, my credentials, my understanding of mechanics, how I feel about Dust514 as a game and which direction I think it should go. Consider this your first lesson in not being a terrible poster.

If the game were full passive GÇô the AFK debate would be nonexistent. Every player joining a match would be doing so to participate with their friends,

Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.

So you are advocating for bad players to get better by doing nothing, while new players with better FPS skills get stomped by those players who have been here longer....

Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are.

"Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say.

Lets be honest tho

The majority if not all of you run assault anyways so wtf should i bother, we have had enough threads up and i could write a really clear pointed one like i have done before but simply put it means **** all anyways

I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where your ability to play the game supercedes the amount of skill points you do or don't have. I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where talented players with low skill points can kill terrible players with high amounts of skill points. It is THAT aspect of EVE Online that is significant, and which should be ported over to Dust514. And that is why I say player skill > skill points. If CCP does this, than good players will win every single time regardless of the fact that a bad player has had their account longer.

Consider this a warning and "Free lesson in goodposting" #1 - In the future, not caring enough to read stuff in its entirety before making ignorant posts will result in me not caring about what you have to say.

So you are a hard core EvE player?

Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears.

I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me.

Lets be honest tho

The majority if not all of you run assault anyways so wtf should i bother, we have had enough threads up and i could write a really clear pointed one like i have done before but simply put it means **** all anyways

You would be correct. I deeply respect Hans' ability to listen critically, but he just doesn't understand some very fundamental things about FPS. For example, the idea that classes and guns = content does not register with his schema.

this will never be the case in any MMO ESPECIALLY a shooter!

can you honestly tell me that I can start a new character in an MMO such as OBLIVION and without proceeding to level my character thereby increasing my combat effectiveness, go on to take on the higher leveled quests? LOL

FACT=

Player skill only counts if you are fighting players with SP and Gear at a level in close proximity to your own!

FACT=

No matter how good you try to make it sound I will never be able to start a brand new Merc character and jump into a pub match and start killing mercs who are using prototype suits, weapons, and modules who have 10 million total SP.

"Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say.

The great thing about listening critically is that if you're willing take the time to have a conversation with me, you can help me understand anything that you think I don't understand right now. So please, hit me up. Otherwise, you become responsible for me not having the information you want me to have.

I have no idea where you get your information but I've been wearing a heavy suit for ages. It's what I drop as the majority of the time despite experimenting with the range of suits, and that's what I'm going to be putting my SP into this time around, nerf complaints or not.

"Free lesson in goodposting" #4 - trying to use ad hominem attacks as an excuse to not utilize the CPM as a resource (and worse, using the WRONG ad hominem attack based on false information) is the fastest way to appear either as ignorant, or an *******, or both. (This would have been lesson #3 but Mynnna beat me to the punch)

Also, check this thread out because I think it will be important. The SP system is at the heart of a lot of woes in DUST 514 and I've laid out my position in full. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=732017

Oblivion is not an MMO.
You can kill people in prototype gear with militia gear, I have done it myself several times.
And incorrect, I did exactly that when I got onto Uprising today. I got into a militia fit and in my first match I dropped at least two protosuits, without speccing into anything.

'Free lesson in goodposting' #4 - If you're going to claim something as 'fact', then make sure it's actually fact. If you're completely wrong, I somehow doubt that Jagerblitzen will care.

Hans/Heinrich - sorry to ninja your goodposting lessons thing. Also I support what you're doing 100%.

Your right it is an RPG and which is what I actuall meant to type

and if you did that Kudos!

How close to dead were they when you started shooting them?

Did they have the survivability skills necessary to stay alive in their proto gear or was it AUR gear?

If you did kill them I suspect luck was the determining factor. I also suspect your luck ran out shortly after.

I performed an arcane feat known as flanking. I know that one was definitely a proper protosuit, as I had a pitched fight with him and saw his tag a lot. The other one dropped with a few headshots. The first one was at full health. The second had a little shield damage.
I didn't die in this match until I ran out of ammo and had no nanohives.

You can kill protosuits in militia - but dust is a tactical game, and you need to treat it as such. Of course they have an advantage, but it's not unassailable. If you land all of your hits, a militia AR will drop even a proto heavy.

Who is this guy? I have to convince you of the need to be heard by ccp?

I'm sorry but you aren't that important. A little power has gone to your head. If this is the way that ccp wants to move forward as their way of communication you sir would not be my choice for a spokesperson and certainly don't speak for me.

If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all?

Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing.

Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead.

If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all?

The lessons seem needed. Honestly he only asked people to be constructive and have quantified arguments. If people can't manage that not only do they not deserve to be heard but we'd likely be better off as a whole ignoring them. So to his power of doing nothing, yes, it is something he can and should use on unqualified and illogical arguments and baseless whining.

How can the CPM say "we get it" itfpeople are just going to be offended when someone says "we listen to goodposting?" Especially when he asked for people to help him create points to take to CCP?

Nice alt choice. Asking for feedback is fine insulting the player base with his higher than though lessons is just bad Taste.

Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.

But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far.

So one moment he's being too harsh and condescending and the next he can't handle it because he knows how to look past trash posts? Going to have to ask that you make up your mind there.

Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing.

Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead.

If you can't tell I'm not impressed a CPM is talking down to his responders when he asked for the response.

I don't blame him. Hyperbole and whiny rants don't get much in the way of positive attention anywhere, and there is a massive amount of both on these forums.

Couching your words about a subject in an effective manner is just as important as the thoughts that motivate you to speak those words.

Being heard is easy. I hear heavy machinery and sirens just fine. I also tune them out.
Being understood takes effort, from the speaker as well as the listener. Being understood gets things done.


Want to produce useless noise that gets tuned out?
Rant, cry, whine and hyperbolise.

Want to produce effective communication that is listened to, understood, and eventually acted upon?
Suck up your indignation at being told you're producing useless noise, be less of a brat than you are capable of being, and marvel at the wonders of effective communication.

What part of responding with lessons is him looking past anything?

Your reading comprehension needs more SP.

Claiming to look past something by replying to it is what I want clarification on.

Not an alt, but eh, another CCP game, another alt accusation.

Like was said before, the lessons seem needed and weren't even all coming from him, so he's not the only one who sees it.

Actually, you have a point here.

So instead of simply ignoring them he gave responses which indicated why those posts were sorely lacking. He did better than simply looking past them and provided criteria that most people who aren't trying to get their feelings hurt can agree would promote effective communication.

You are right, I was incorrect in my earlier statement.

I see where you're going there, but can I ask why he continued to give lessons? One lesson I can understand as him trying to just show people this isn't how it should be expressed - but 4? Ops, sorry, 3.

The real problem lies in the fact that in the past the forums have been the only source to get things changed. And even more unfortunate ccp listened in part to those who whined the most or the loudest. Setting the precedent that is in use on the forums now. If the new representatives want to have an affect they need to be able to show the community that they have any influence at all.
If ccp can't get the message that the player base is upset from these forums and give us a response then what is a strongly worded email from a com really going to do?

I see where you're going there, but can I ask why he continued to give lessons? One lesson I can understand as him trying to just show people this isn't how it should be expressed - but 4? Ops, sorry, 3.

Two well made arguments in the defense of OP - I concede as even I realize he's just trying to help. I could continue it further but it's pointless and I'll look like an ass for discrediting a person who started all this with good intentions.

Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.

Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.

But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far.

I would like to say that in comparison to the number of threads started.

I only found 3 legitimate complaints to go out and verify, everything else has just about been useless and near garbage in terms of usability, quality, and sound concerns.

3 vs how many threads made today?

The BPO refund issue needs to get fixed. The nerfing of so many items was a bad idea.

Actual gameplay items, the nanite injector is useless if people don't show up on the screen. I've played all day and revived like 3 people.

You are such an a****** man. You've got nothing useful say and whole lot of crying to do it in. Perhaps you hate CPMs because you weren't chosen to be one?

FFS, the guy is trying to be helpful. He is on the CPM and I imagine he can take his views to other CPMs and back to CCP. If you are too stupid or too immature to accept his offer to spend his time listening to our viewpoints and taking them to CCP on your behalf (because they sure as hell will not bother reading all the ignorant QQ threads) then you obviously have nothing to say worth listening to anyway.

You fail at farming likes btw - I could give you lessons though ;) Won't be free like the OP's ;D

As a dedicated FG user, I have to agree it's slightly OP. Only slightly. It did not need another 10% damage, for instance. But overall it's far from the point where you see everybody running around with AFGs, right? I mean, here are just the most common scenarios when using an AFG:

- vs Infantry: FGunner goes on an elevated position and starts bombarding infantry. Can kill some, damage others, and will deny area to further hostiles.
- vs Infantry 2: FGunner goes on even level against infantry, most shots miss unless the FGunner gets lucky, gets wrecked by enemy infantry or HAVs.
- vs LAVs: free LAV gets called in, people speed around, AFG blows them up, end of. Not all too easy though, given the speed of LAVs and the obstruction. However, the cost of using LAVs is relatively low, not absurdly much higher than, say, a standard-Heavy with AFG+complex damage mod.
- vs HAVs: AFG can quickly inflict concerning amounts of damage to tough tanks and force them into retreating into cover. Tank can repair/shield back up but suffers some area denial. Can try to shoot the FGunner or wait for infantry to kill the FGunner. Weak militia tanks are easily blown up, but are at least cheap in comparison.
- vs Dropships: FGunner spots DS, waits for it to hit a lull in speed and trajectory of flight, starts spamming AFG shots. DS can not easily hide behind obstructions or speed out of range quickly enough, is sent reeling in a vector according to the AFG shots, and goes down. A vehicle that cost an exorbitant amount of ISK is lost.

IMHO, the problem here is not the AFG, but how DS pilots have no chance to react to an AFG broadsiding them. LAVs have a similar problem, but require far less buy-in. HAVs have the sufficient amount of tnime to react because they can tough out a few shots before they find good cover and/or distance; a DS cannot.

HAVs already have to run from AFG, SL, and Proto AV grenade spam. Even the GOOD ones. Dropships are too weak for what they cost the player using them. They're like flying LAVs with more seats. You can talk about their speed all day long, but with fast FGs like the Assault type or the officer version, or Proto Swarms, they're turned into junk in a matter of seconds. The pilots have no time to react. What should they do, be flying out of range the entire match? Play floating spawn point?

Honestly this may not be true to life, but unless pc maps are so big that dropships become more viable, I would have no problem if the base hp of specialized dropships was raised significantly if IF the price increased. Leave the base versions cheap, but make the advanced ones either super fast, or super tanky. I mean like enough to take 5 hits from an installation or 3 hits from a double modded proto forge. This is just me, so feel free to tell me to go biomass myself, but I think considering they can transport 5 guys...they should cost more and be able to stand the heat. I dunno about balance cause this is my 1st fps since like halo 3, but that's my 0.02 isk

Very skilled and experienced pilot here:
In my opinion the biggest problem is that a completely decked out dropship(assualt logistics or standard) with all the modules and skills seems to be balanced ONLY when flown against militia/standard AV. Against AV at this level you will be denied your effectiveness around them yet still have an opportunity to do your job(troop transport, gunship, scout) for a few seconds before having to retreat. However, against proto AV you immediately have to retreat or your ship quickly becomes a burning wreck. Dropships NEED a big buff to shields/armor.

Tell em, Serimos

Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.

Would you CPM guys mind taking a look at my Caldari Logi vs Assault thread?
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=75780&p=1
I'd like to get more thoughts on the issue, and if possible, give CCP a fix to all the "Logis are OP threads"

Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.