I have no idea where you get your information but I've been wearing a heavy suit for ages. It's what I drop as the majority of the time despite experimenting with the range of suits, and that's what I'm going to be putting my SP into this time around, nerf complaints or not.

"Free lesson in goodposting" #4 - trying to use ad hominem attacks as an excuse to not utilize the CPM as a resource (and worse, using the WRONG ad hominem attack based on false information) is the fastest way to appear either as ignorant, or an *******, or both. (This would have been lesson #3 but Mynnna beat me to the punch)

Also, check this thread out because I think it will be important. The SP system is at the heart of a lot of woes in DUST 514 and I've laid out my position in full. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=732017

Oblivion is not an MMO.
You can kill people in prototype gear with militia gear, I have done it myself several times.
And incorrect, I did exactly that when I got onto Uprising today. I got into a militia fit and in my first match I dropped at least two protosuits, without speccing into anything.

'Free lesson in goodposting' #4 - If you're going to claim something as 'fact', then make sure it's actually fact. If you're completely wrong, I somehow doubt that Jagerblitzen will care.

Hans/Heinrich - sorry to ninja your goodposting lessons thing. Also I support what you're doing 100%.

Your right it is an RPG and which is what I actuall meant to type

and if you did that Kudos!

How close to dead were they when you started shooting them?

Did they have the survivability skills necessary to stay alive in their proto gear or was it AUR gear?

If you did kill them I suspect luck was the determining factor. I also suspect your luck ran out shortly after.

I performed an arcane feat known as flanking. I know that one was definitely a proper protosuit, as I had a pitched fight with him and saw his tag a lot. The other one dropped with a few headshots. The first one was at full health. The second had a little shield damage.
I didn't die in this match until I ran out of ammo and had no nanohives.

You can kill protosuits in militia - but dust is a tactical game, and you need to treat it as such. Of course they have an advantage, but it's not unassailable. If you land all of your hits, a militia AR will drop even a proto heavy.

Who is this guy? I have to convince you of the need to be heard by ccp?

I'm sorry but you aren't that important. A little power has gone to your head. If this is the way that ccp wants to move forward as their way of communication you sir would not be my choice for a spokesperson and certainly don't speak for me.

If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all?

Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing.

Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead.

If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all?

The lessons seem needed. Honestly he only asked people to be constructive and have quantified arguments. If people can't manage that not only do they not deserve to be heard but we'd likely be better off as a whole ignoring them. So to his power of doing nothing, yes, it is something he can and should use on unqualified and illogical arguments and baseless whining.

How can the CPM say "we get it" itfpeople are just going to be offended when someone says "we listen to goodposting?" Especially when he asked for people to help him create points to take to CCP?

Nice alt choice. Asking for feedback is fine insulting the player base with his higher than though lessons is just bad Taste.

Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.

But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far.

So one moment he's being too harsh and condescending and the next he can't handle it because he knows how to look past trash posts? Going to have to ask that you make up your mind there.

Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing.

Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead.

If you can't tell I'm not impressed a CPM is talking down to his responders when he asked for the response.

I don't blame him. Hyperbole and whiny rants don't get much in the way of positive attention anywhere, and there is a massive amount of both on these forums.

Couching your words about a subject in an effective manner is just as important as the thoughts that motivate you to speak those words.

Being heard is easy. I hear heavy machinery and sirens just fine. I also tune them out.
Being understood takes effort, from the speaker as well as the listener. Being understood gets things done.


Want to produce useless noise that gets tuned out?
Rant, cry, whine and hyperbolise.

Want to produce effective communication that is listened to, understood, and eventually acted upon?
Suck up your indignation at being told you're producing useless noise, be less of a brat than you are capable of being, and marvel at the wonders of effective communication.

What part of responding with lessons is him looking past anything?

Your reading comprehension needs more SP.

Claiming to look past something by replying to it is what I want clarification on.

Not an alt, but eh, another CCP game, another alt accusation.

Like was said before, the lessons seem needed and weren't even all coming from him, so he's not the only one who sees it.

Actually, you have a point here.

So instead of simply ignoring them he gave responses which indicated why those posts were sorely lacking. He did better than simply looking past them and provided criteria that most people who aren't trying to get their feelings hurt can agree would promote effective communication.

You are right, I was incorrect in my earlier statement.

I see where you're going there, but can I ask why he continued to give lessons? One lesson I can understand as him trying to just show people this isn't how it should be expressed - but 4? Ops, sorry, 3.

The real problem lies in the fact that in the past the forums have been the only source to get things changed. And even more unfortunate ccp listened in part to those who whined the most or the loudest. Setting the precedent that is in use on the forums now. If the new representatives want to have an affect they need to be able to show the community that they have any influence at all.
If ccp can't get the message that the player base is upset from these forums and give us a response then what is a strongly worded email from a com really going to do?

I see where you're going there, but can I ask why he continued to give lessons? One lesson I can understand as him trying to just show people this isn't how it should be expressed - but 4? Ops, sorry, 3.

Two well made arguments in the defense of OP - I concede as even I realize he's just trying to help. I could continue it further but it's pointless and I'll look like an ass for discrediting a person who started all this with good intentions.

Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.

The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.

I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.

I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.

My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype

EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)

Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.

o7

-Heinrich Jagerblitzen

CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary


*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.

Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.

But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far.