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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
177
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:03:00 -
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Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.
The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.
I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.
I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.
My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype
EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)
Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.
o7
-Heinrich Jagerblitzen
CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change. |
PAs Capone
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
59
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:06:00 -
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Thank you for providing yourself and a forum for intelligent replies.
+1
It seems to me like the comunity could use some enzyte, as all this seems a bit, premature...
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2198
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:06:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.
The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.
I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.
I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.
My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype
Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.
o7
-Heinrich Jagerblitzen
CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change. Somebody with competitive heavy knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
408
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:08:00 -
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lol yeah, only those with a shred of hope will spec heavy now |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
189
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:08:00 -
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Someone intelligent on the forums? Armageddon is tomorrow. On a serious note, this is a good offer. Thank you kindly. |
Harkon Vysarii
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
214
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:09:00 -
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Would really like to do that actually at some point. Though I need to sit down, play the build, talk it over in corp, and then write down a few ideas. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
17
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:09:00 -
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Quote:CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
So you are a hard core EvE player?
Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears.
I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me. |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
87
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:20:00 -
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Re: the BPO suits, Sever, Raven, and Valor (from another post)
Having BPO suits that would actually benefit from the racial passives IS clever, so I wouldn't want to deprive whoever of that. I just figure a refund considering the super-high skill hurdles, racial choices, and prior information given to us is warranted.
From their Dev Blog on this matter:
Quote:What will persist?
Character name, Contacts, Corporation, Stats/Leaderboards, Mail, AUR and ISK currencies, PSN items and items received from events (those not purchasable on the in-game market)
Note, all three of those BPOs are currently purchasable on the market.
And
Quote:What will be removed or changed? And what will be reimbursed?
All AUR items will be cleared and users reimbursed with their current AUR value (with exceptions noted previously, such as Militia BPOs).
By their own rules, we should've been reimbursed, since many of us actually spent money and just bought these suits - and they're not militia BPOs. The people that got them from events shouldn't be reimbursed, as per the same rule.
There's something for you to tell CCP. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
180
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:22:00 -
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hooc order wrote: So you are a hard core EvE player?
Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears.
I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me.
Hey, you're more than welcome to believe whatever you want about me (like this bullshit about me playing more EVE than Dust, or that I haven't played other shooters extensively) but if you don't try, you've just guaranteed yourself that you will not have a voice.
Plenty of other people WILL take that chance on me, and they'll find out the truth sooner or later. Be lazy* and silent, or take a risk. Your choice. How badly do you want to make the game better?
*Pro tip - doing a search on posting history works wonders for proving that you're not a dipshit. If you had, you'd already know plenty about my experience, my credentials, my understanding of mechanics, how I feel about Dust514 as a game and which direction I think it should go. Consider this your first lesson in not being a terrible poster. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
566
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:22:00 -
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+1
thanks for this man |
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
180
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:24:00 -
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Harkon Vysarii wrote:Would really like to do that actually at some point. Though I need to sit down, play the build, talk it over in corp, and then write down a few ideas.
+1
You sir, already get it. This attitude will take you places. I only wish others had your common sense that ironically comes in such ridiculously short supply. |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
566
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:43:00 -
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you got mail in eve hans |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2203
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:49:00 -
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So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....
Rofl.
Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did? |
General Tiberius1
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
567
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:50:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....
Rofl.
Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did?
my eve mails are showing in dust, so if you mail to his eve toon, should work |
Ryder Azorria
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
279
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:54:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....
Rofl.
Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did? You should be able to send EVE players mail from your Dust character. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1419
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:55:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.
The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.
I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.
I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.
My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype
Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.
o7
-Heinrich Jagerblitzen
CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change. Somebody with competitive heavy knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are.
hahaha
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hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
18
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:59:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:hooc order wrote: So you are a hard core EvE player?
Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears.
I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me. Hey, you're more than welcome to believe whatever you want about me (like this bullshit about me playing more EVE than Dust, or that I haven't played other shooters extensively) but if you don't try, you've just guaranteed yourself that you will not have a voice. Plenty of other people WILL take that chance on me, and they'll find out the truth sooner or later. Be lazy* and silent, or take a risk. Your choice. How badly do you want to make the game better? *Pro tip - doing a search on posting history works wonders for proving that you're not a dipshit. If you had, you'd already know plenty about my experience, my credentials, my understanding of mechanics, how I feel about Dust514 as a game and which direction I think it should go. Consider this your first lesson in not being a terrible poster.
From the link
Quote: If the game were full passive GÇô the AFK debate would be nonexistent. Every player joining a match would be doing so to participate with their friends,
So you are advocating for bad players to get better by doing nothing, while new players with better FPS skills get stomped by those players who have been here longer....
Yup you are an EvE player. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
457
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:06:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.
The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.
I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.
I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.
My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype
EVEMail: Hans Jagerblitzen (Mail to Heinrich Jagerblitzen will not get a response until CCP removes the soft keyboard. I hate using mail inside Dust client.)
Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.
o7
-Heinrich Jagerblitzen
CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change.
Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
186
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:15:00 -
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hooc order wrote:So you are advocating for bad players to get better by doing nothing, while new players with better FPS skills get stomped by those players who have been here longer....
I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where your ability to play the game supercedes the amount of skill points you do or don't have. I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where talented players with low skill points can kill terrible players with high amounts of skill points. It is THAT aspect of EVE Online that is significant, and which should be ported over to Dust514. And that is why I say player skill > skill points. If CCP does this, than good players will win every single time regardless of the fact that a bad player has had their account longer.
Consider this a warning and "Free lesson in goodposting" #1 - In the future, not caring enough to read stuff in its entirety before making ignorant posts will result in me not caring about what you have to say. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
186
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:16:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are.
"Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say. |
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Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
457
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:24:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. "Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say.
Lets be honest tho
The majority if not all of you run assault anyways so wtf should i bother, we have had enough threads up and i could write a really clear pointed one like i have done before but simply put it means **** all anyways |
Geth Massredux
Defensores Doctrina
236
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Well I been trying to give players some logic on the changes for the past couple of days now. And I get no likes for it ... Dafuq is with that?
- Geth |
mynnna514
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:30:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. "Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say. Lets be honest tho The majority if not all of you run assault anyways so wtf should i bother, we have had enough threads up and i could write a really clear pointed one like i have done before but simply put it means **** all anyways
"Free lesson in goodposting" #3 - saying "you all play X anyway so I doubt you care" or "well you're in (group) anyway so I doubt you care" or any variation thereof as an excuse to not provide constructive feedback is a good way to get him to not, in fact, actually care about what you have to say. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp Orion Empire
5
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:31:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:hooc order wrote:So you are advocating for bad players to get better by doing nothing, while new players with better FPS skills get stomped by those players who have been here longer.... I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where your ability to play the game supercedes the amount of skill points you do or don't have. I am advocating that Dust514 be a game where talented players with low skill points can kill terrible players with high amounts of skill points. It is THAT aspect of EVE Online that is significant, and which should be ported over to Dust514. And that is why I say player skill > skill points. If CCP does this, than good players will win every single time regardless of the fact that a bad player has had their account longer. Consider this a warning and "Free lesson in goodposting" #1 - In the future, not caring enough to read stuff in its entirety before making ignorant posts will result in me not caring about what you have to say.
this will never be the case in any MMO ESPECIALLY a shooter!
can you honestly tell me that I can start a new character in an MMO such as OBLIVION and without proceeding to level my character thereby increasing my combat effectiveness, go on to take on the higher leveled quests? LOL Indeed OBLIVION is structured to where you cannot even attempt this because as you level the NPCs level with you so the game always feels competitive to you. You have to go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of your way and do something you know you probably shouldn't in order to find enemies with Higher level skills or gear.
FACT=
Player skill only counts if you are fighting players with SP and Gear at a level in close proximity to your own!
FACT=
No matter how good you try to make it sound I will never be able to start a brand new Merc character and jump into a pub match and start killing mercs who are using prototype suits, weapons, and modules who have 10 million total SP. |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1449
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:33:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Quote:CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary So you are a hard core EvE player? Somehow i get the feeling that if i ask for the game to be more FPS friendly and less RPG leveling friendly that my words will fall on deaf ears. I think i would rather wait until we have new election and get some Core Dust players into the council before i start asking it to advocate for me.
You would be correct. I deeply respect Hans' ability to listen critically, but he just doesn't understand some very fundamental things about FPS. For example, the idea that classes and guns = content does not register with his schema. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
188
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:37:00 -
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Takahiro Kashuken wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. "Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say. Lets be honest tho The majority if not all of you run assault anyways so wtf should i bother, we have had enough threads up and i could write a really clear pointed one like i have done before but simply put it means **** all anyways
I have no idea where you get your information but I've been wearing a heavy suit for ages. It's what I drop as the majority of the time despite experimenting with the range of suits, and that's what I'm going to be putting my SP into this time around, nerf complaints or not.
"Free lesson in goodposting" #4 - trying to use ad hominem attacks as an excuse to not utilize the CPM as a resource (and worse, using the WRONG ad hominem attack based on false information) is the fastest way to appear either as ignorant, or an *******, or both. (This would have been lesson #3 but Mynnna beat me to the punch) |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire
189
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:39:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote: You would be correct. I deeply respect Hans' ability to listen critically, but he just doesn't understand some very fundamental things about FPS. For example, the idea that classes and guns = content does not register with his schema.
The great thing about listening critically is that if you're willing take the time to have a conversation with me, you can help me understand anything that you think I don't understand right now. So please, hit me up. Otherwise, you become responsible for me not having the information you want me to have.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon Plus
192
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:40:00 -
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Master Jaraiya wrote:
this will never be the case in any MMO ESPECIALLY a shooter!
can you honestly tell me that I can start a new character in an MMO such as OBLIVION and without proceeding to level my character thereby increasing my combat effectiveness, go on to take on the higher leveled quests? LOL
FACT=
Player skill only counts if you are fighting players with SP and Gear at a level in close proximity to your own!
FACT=
No matter how good you try to make it sound I will never be able to start a brand new Merc character and jump into a pub match and start killing mercs who are using prototype suits, weapons, and modules who have 10 million total SP.
Oblivion is not an MMO. You can kill people in prototype gear with militia gear, I have done it myself several times. And incorrect, I did exactly that when I got onto Uprising today. I got into a militia fit and in my first match I dropped at least two protosuits, without speccing into anything.
'Free lesson in goodposting' #4 - If you're going to claim something as 'fact', then make sure it's actually fact. If you're completely wrong, I somehow doubt that Jagerblitzen will care.
Hans/Heinrich - sorry to ninja your goodposting lessons thing. Also I support what you're doing 100%. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
2208
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:42:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. "Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say. Free lesson 5 - It matters not where you get the information as long as it's accurate and can be proven.
EDIT: You gave a lot of lessons, had to change my number around lol |
Noc Tempre
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1451
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:45:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Noc Tempre wrote: You would be correct. I deeply respect Hans' ability to listen critically, but he just doesn't understand some very fundamental things about FPS. For example, the idea that classes and guns = content does not register with his schema. The great thing about listening critically is that if you're willing take the time to have a conversation with me, you can help me understand anything that you think I don't understand right now. So please, hit me up. Otherwise, you become responsible for me not having the information you want me to have.
We had a very long conversation on this. I would be happy to continue it. Also, check this thread out because I think it will be important. The SP system is at the heart of a lot of woes in DUST 514 and I've laid out my position in full. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=732017 |
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