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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:06:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Message me sometime on Skype and we'll have a chat. I need the afternoon here to play the build and check it out more myself, but I'm an open ear this week for those of you that have important stuff to say and are smart enough NOT to throw down a ******** bitchthread just like everyone else here in General Discussion. My only rule is no emotional QQ allowed, constructive criticism only.
The bottom line is that 98% of these threads will go unheard and unresponded too because most of you don't actually care enough to slow your roll and learn how to post effectively. You'll rage, cry, stamp your feet, and make a thousand threads, and than make a thousand more threads about how CCP has ****** you over because you didn't post effectively enough to be heard in the first place.
I know that there are a few of here in this sea of tears that actually have some good feedback to share, that goes far beyond "my weapon doesn't work exactly the same, now I have to adapt to the new gear" and who want to help improve the game badly enough that they'll listen to folks like myself who HAVE been able to influence CCP over the past year, and are willing to work with me in order to be heard as well.
I'm also making this post so that there's no excuse for any of you to whine about how your CPM is unwilling to hear you out* when you're making a conscious decision to make terrible post after terrible post. I know full well this thread will get buried amongst the **** threads, but if you are too lazy to run a search on your CPM0 Delegates' posting history and you miss this, its your own damn fault.
My office door is open: Hans.Jagerblitzen on Skype
Leave a note on my desk if I've stepped out temporarily.
o7
-Heinrich Jagerblitzen
CPM0 Delegate and CSM7 Vice Secretary
*And fair warning - entitled, arrogant assholes that want to RAAAAGGGGE about how ****** CCP is or how ****** Dust514 is will be ignored, just as I do when you post that way here on the forums. I'm interested in effective communicators only, or those willing to listen to me and LEARN how to be an effective communicator. I can actually teach you how to goodpost if you care enough to change. Somebody with competitive heavy knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 21:49:00 -
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So if we don't have an EvE account we can't reach this guy - just realized. Way to shine CPM....
Rofl.
Just get the info right and I'll forgive you for saying you refuse to use dustmail in the dust community but opt to use eve instead. Not that the two mails dont link now - or so I thought they did? |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 22:42:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Somebody with competitive vehicle knowledge please inform this guy how utterly screwed we are. "Free lesson in goodposting" #2 - Caring so little that you outsource your feedback to others will likewise result in me not caring about what you have to say. Free lesson 5 - It matters not where you get the information as long as it's accurate and can be proven.
EDIT: You gave a lot of lessons, had to change my number around lol |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:08:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Who is this guy? I have to convince you of the need to be heard by ccp?
I'm sorry but you aren't that important. A little power has gone to your head. If this is the way that ccp wants to move forward as their way of communication you sir would not be my choice for a spokesperson and certainly don't speak for me. If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all? Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing.
Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead.
If you can't tell I'm not impressed a CPM is talking down to his responders when he asked for the response. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:19:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Who is this guy? I have to convince you of the need to be heard by ccp?
I'm sorry but you aren't that important. A little power has gone to your head. If this is the way that ccp wants to move forward as their way of communication you sir would not be my choice for a spokesperson and certainly don't speak for me. If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all? Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing. Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead. The lessons seem needed. Honestly he only asked people to be constructive and have quantified arguments. If people can't manage that not only do they not deserve to be heard but we'd likely be better off as a whole ignoring them. So to his power of doing nothing, yes, it is something he can and should use on unqualified and illogical arguments and baseless whining. How can the CPM say "we get it" itfpeople are just going to be offended when someone says "we listen to goodposting?" Especially when he asked for people to help him create points to take to CCP? Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.
But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:24:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.
But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far. So one moment he's being too harsh and condescending and the next he can't handle it because he knows how to look past trash posts? Going to have to ask that you make up your mind there. What part of responding with lessons is him looking past anything?
Your reading comprehension needs more SP.
Claiming to look past something by replying to it is what I want clarification on. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:30:00 -
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Dvorn Garalos wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:HowDidThatTaste wrote:Who is this guy? I have to convince you of the need to be heard by ccp?
I'm sorry but you aren't that important. A little power has gone to your head. If this is the way that ccp wants to move forward as their way of communication you sir would not be my choice for a spokesperson and certainly don't speak for me. If the power had gone to his head do you really think he'd be asking for feedback at all? Yes - because then he can demonstrate his power of do nothing. Instead of CPM going: We get it - it's wrong, here's our concerns, here's yours, where's the middle ground? We get a CPM who gives free posting lessons instead. If you can't tell I'm not impressed a CPM is talking down to his responders when he asked for the response. I don't blame him. Hyperbole and whiny rants don't get much in the way of positive attention anywhere, and there is a massive amount of both on these forums. Couching your words about a subject in an effective manner is just as important as the thoughts that motivate you to speak those words. Being heard is easy. I hear heavy machinery and sirens just fine. I also tune them out. Being understood takes effort, from the speaker as well as the listener. Being understood gets things done. Want to produce useless noise that gets tuned out? Rant, cry, whine and hyperbolise. Want to produce effective communication that is listened to, understood, and eventually acted upon? Suck up your indignation at being told you're producing useless noise, be less of a brat than you are capable of being, and marvel at the wonders of effective communication. Very true. Now in all that - where does it mention why it's okay for a person in 'power' to talk down to any poster who wasn't doing anything wrong? Sorry but CPM was only going through his own ego trip here. The person he responded too had a legit - copied and crude - statement that the CPM felt better then to listen too. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:35:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.
But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far. So one moment he's being too harsh and condescending and the next he can't handle it because he knows how to look past trash posts? Going to have to ask that you make up your mind there. What part of responding with lessons is him looking past anything? Your reading comprehension needs more SP. Claiming to look past something by replying to it is what I want clarification on. Actually, you have a point here. So instead of simply ignoring them he gave responses which indicated why those posts were sorely lacking. He did better than simply looking past them and provided criteria that most people who aren't trying to get their feelings hurt can agree would promote effective communication. You are right, I was incorrect in my earlier statement. I see where you're going there, but can I ask why he continued to give lessons? One lesson I can understand as him trying to just show people this isn't how it should be expressed - but 4? Ops, sorry, 3. |
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Posted - 2013.05.06 23:55:00 -
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Two well made arguments in the defense of OP - I concede as even I realize he's just trying to help. I could continue it further but it's pointless and I'll look like an ass for discrediting a person who started all this with good intentions. |
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Posted - 2013.05.07 03:48:00 -
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Crash Monster wrote:SoTa PoP wrote: Welcome to the forums - have you been here long? Apparently CPM can't handle it so give up the spot to someone who can. Doesn't take a troll to see bad posts from good ones and how to ignore it. Free lessons show nothing but a ego.
But - please - let them continue show casing how amazing they are at PR. They've all done wonderful so far.
You are such an a****** man. You've got nothing useful say and whole lot of crying to do it in. Perhaps you hate CPMs because you weren't chosen to be one? FFS, the guy is trying to be helpful. He is on the CPM and I imagine he can take his views to other CPMs and back to CCP. If you are too stupid or too immature to accept his offer to spend his time listening to our viewpoints and taking them to CCP on your behalf (because they sure as hell will not bother reading all the ignorant QQ threads) then you obviously have nothing to say worth listening to anyway. You really should finish reading the thread before posting. Really.
And it's my job to give solutions or point them out? I thought I was a beta tester? Jeez - now you guys want more from me before I can even complain? If I want to be pissed that my class got ****** over without any good damn reasoning to support then by all means I will. Feel free to keep trolling - we all know your just someones alt trying to get a laugh.
You fail at farming likes btw - I could give you lessons though ;) Won't be free like the OP's ;D |
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