* Added the ability to use the nanite injector even when you do not have it selected

I'm late on thus news. Is it offical? Did they nerf HMG damage AND range? WHAT THE FLYING **** CCP?!?!?!

sincerely tempted to drop heavy next build, seeing as CCP hates us.

they had a burn jita protest inEVE yes, anyone got ideas on how to tell CCP to go **** themselves in this game?

Um without SS the range of the HMG is only slighly lower than the range of the AR. (dont know about scramblers but they supposedly have more range)

^^Great idea CCP, seriously, no sarcasm, great idea. This will make it much easier to pick up teammates, I've several times mis-selected equipment and lost the chance for the revive to bleedouts.

^^Great idea CCP, seriously, no sarcasm, great idea. This will make it much easier to pick up teammates, I've several times mis-selected equipment and lost the chance for the revive to bleedouts.

I'm considering it now too :(

I don't know how to make a real difference but I'm foing to start tweeting at themm about this because everyone knows aggro tweets garner actual attention. I seriously just don't knowhow they can explain this.

What does D 10 think of all this?

simple, people used to twitch play FPSers complained about not being able to kill everything 1v1 with an AR, and they FAR outnumber us people who picked this game up hoping it would be similar to eve, merciless to idiots and rewarding to those who dedicate themselves to a niche playstyle

Ooh price of dropships approximately halved

How can heavies possibly complain when you now have 4 low slots to stack more HP? That more than makes up for a few less points of DPS

they've done it again, the heavy has been nerfed. we were the gods of closed beta last summer, but now we are the laughing stock of the community. the power from last summer? nothing but a wet dream.

both range AND damage have been reduced on the HMG....AGAIN! congrats assault suits, not much longer and ypu'll get what you've been asking for, a CoD sci-fi nock off.

without further ado....

#1Posted: 2013.05.03 18:30 | Report
Uprising Release Notes:

Path to Game and Overall UI
* Major improvement to the login flow. Time to merc quarter reduced from 4:30 seconds to 1:30 seconds on average
* New character creation screen
* Removed Specializations
* New loading screens
* All UI screens have been visually polished

Spawning and End of Match
* New Overview Map and Spawn Screen UI.
* Squad member list visible on overview map
* Improved fit selection on spawn screen
* Improved scanning on Objectives and Installations
* Players are invisible / cloaked upon spawn for a few seconds. Cloak diables upon movement
* Redesigned bleed out
* New Kill Screen that shows who killed you and his/her statistics
* Revamped and enhanced End of Match Screens

Skills
* New node based Skill UI
* Newly created characters receive no starter skills. Specializations have been removed
* Reorganized skill tree to be simpler with logical separations between vehicle and dropsuit skills. Now all dropsuit skills are under Dropsuit Command; all equipment and modules (with the exception of damage modifiers and remote explosives) under Dropsuit Upgrades and all weapons under Weaponry
* Weapon skill bonuses are now weapon-specific as opposed to providing blanket bonuses across Light, Sidearm and Heavy categories
* Dropsuit Command skills first unlock basic non-role frames before unlocking role-specific skills
* Module skills improve the efficacy of modules used

Dropsuits
* New dropsuit roles and race/role-specific bonuses added:
* Minmatar Scout
* Scout Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to scan profile per level
* Minmatar Scout Bonus: +5% to melee and nova knife damage per level
* Gallente Scout
* Scout Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to scan profile per level
* Gallente Scout Bonus: +10% to dropsuit scan radius per level
* Amarr Assault
* Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level
* Amarr Assault Bonus: 5% reduction to laser weaponry heat build-up per level
* Amarr Logistics
* Logistics Suit Bonus: +1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level
* Amarr Logistics Bonus: +5% to efficacy of armor repairer modules per level
* Minmatar Assault
* Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level
* Minmatar Assault Bonus: +5% to sidearm weaponry clip size per level
* Minmatar Logistics
* Logistics Suit Bonus: +1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level
* Minmatar Logistics Bonus: +5% to hacking speed per level
* Gallente Assault
* Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level
* Gallente Assault Bonus: 5% reduction to hybrid weaponry PG/CPU usage per level
* Gallente Logistics
* Logistics Suit Bonus: +1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level
* Gallente Logistics Bonus: 5% reduction to equipment PG/CPU usage per level
* Caldari Assault
* Assault Suit Bonus: +5% to dropsuit shield recharge rate per level
* Caldari Assault Bonus: +2% to hybrid weapon reload speed
* Caldari Logistics
* Logistics Suit Bonus: +1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level
* Caldari Logistics Bonus: +5% to efficacy of shield extender modules per level
* Amarr Sentinel
* Sentinel Suit Bonus: 5% reduction to weapon feedback damage per level
* Amarr Sentinel Bonus: +2% to heavy weapon reload speed
* Added effect and audio triggers for shield loss and recharge
* Reduced base passive scan radius for all dropsuits

Weapons
* Weapon tiers streamlined so that more side grades are unlocked in the advanced tier and more exotic variants in the prototype tier
* Reduced damage and max range of the HMG
* Moved Charge Sniper Rifle into the prototype tier
* Improved damage on Tactical Assault Rifle variants
* Modified nova knife to do charge-based damage (allowing instant attacks).
* Increased FOV for the laser rifle in ADS so that it has less GÇ£zoomGÇ¥
* New laser rifle iron sights
* New Gallente assault rifle iron sights
* New Gallente assault rifle ACOG scope
* New Gallente shotgun ADS
* Added new weapon animation system for Move controller
* Added new charging HUD element integrated with ammo UI
* Added support for multi-fire weapons i.e. regular and charge based firing on a single weapon type
* Added support for transitional into scope animations and added animations for all weapons
* Added heat glow on a variety of weapons such as the assault rifle and nova knives
* New jumping animations when in scope
* Updated reload animations
* Updated all melee animations
* Updated 3P animation to support sprint strafing
* New sprint animations for all pistols
* New overheat animations for HMG and Laser Rifle
* Updated laser rifle reload
* Updated recoil for Gallente shotgun

How can heavies possibly complain when you now have 4 low slots to stack more HP? That more than makes up for a few less points of DPS

A proto gallente assault has 210 base HP.
With armor plates, Uncle_AWOL managed to push it to 760~ HP not including shields, and even had an extra slot for a repper.
Now, considering both of these suits have the same amount of low slots...

4 low and 1 hi, meanwhile every other suits gets at least 6 slots total plus equipment.

Heavy? 5 total and no equipment.

Muh balance mufugga.

That's nowhere near the 2000 hp a heavy can now obtain. Also, lol @ armor tanking assaults

You relise to get that a heavy would be at lest a 30% movement penalty? You want heavies to simply be slow moving turrets? And that is only proto suits that get 5 slots, meanwhile every other suits gets at least 6 and an equipment slot.

Fair and balanced? Right?

No, Heavy needs more slots, at least 6 like all the others, or more than a 50 point HP bonus.

4 low and 1 hi, meanwhile every other suits gets at least 6 slots total plus equipment.

Heavy? 5 total and no equipment.

Muh balance mufugga.

That's nowhere near the 2000 hp a heavy can now obtain. Also, lol @ armor tanking assaults

Isn't that what they kinda are though? Slow moving high HP death machines, right? You're going to have over 500 shields and well over 1k armor, based on your HP alone and the SS removal on ARs it's going to be extremely difficult to kill a heavy one on one.

Isn't that what they kinda are though? Slow moving high HP death machines, right? You're going to have over 500 shields and well over 1k armor, based on your HP alone and the SS removal on ARs it's going to be extremely difficult to kill a heavy one on one.

FIRSTLY: you did not have to post the ENTIRE patch note to make your point, you only needed to copy and paste the specific heavy related notes and if you were feeling really good, the link to the actual forum post.

SECONDLY: its not as bad as you think it is. If you thought about it you might actually know why. The sharpshooter skill for ALL weapons no longer effects range on rifles. So what does this mean? it means 1.) no more across the map laser snipes, 2.) no more across the map AR snipes 3.) no more across the map SMG snipes 4.) no more across the map..... do you get the point?? No more sniping heavies across the map with anything less then a sniper rifle = A HEAVY BUFF.

Now my heavy sharpshooter skill is zero and I can still do great with an HMG, after may 6th if you get killed "at range" by somebody then its your own fault because 9 times out of 10 the shooter is going to be at a range that you "should have" been able to kill him at too. The HMG nerf just makes the lack of sharpshooter more smooth because now things should be more or less proportionate to before except everyones at a much closer range..... oh wait a second..... closer range?? isn't that what heavies like/need?? (buff).....

THIRDLY: not that its official or anything but I did see a bit of notes on the.... patch notes?? and it said that ALL HEAVY SUITS WILL COST THE EQUIVALENT OF ASSAULT SUITS ON THE SAME META LEVEL. (Heavy Proto Vk. 1 = 90k instead of 250k now)......... (BUFF). It also said the same with all weapons too, AND it even said that adv level gear and lower costs less then it used too...... so basically that's one massive buff.

THEN FINALLY I heard somewhere on here that the HP count for heavies is buffing up a bit (like having the possibility of having 1500 health). that's not official but in any case I would say this build is more or less ONE MASSIVE HEAVY BUFF. so quit your whining and actually read the entire patch note before you go crying on the forums.

Nope, they can get about 1300 HP max atm, which will still be melted by ARs.

All anyone has to do is sprint our of the HMGs terrible range, turn and shoot the heavy.

Heavies are now strictly for camping around corners.

look, 4 complex plates is a 40% movement pentle. That means a heavy will move at about 3/ms. Most no heavy suits sprint at what? 6/ms?

sincerely tempted to drop heavy next build, seeing as CCP hates us.

they had a burn jita protest inEVE yes, anyone got ideas on how to tell CCP to go **** themselves in this game?

you guys have no idea how the next build is going to work. i have never seen one predication come true on these forums,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ

Nope, they can get about 1300 HP max atm, which will still be melted by ARs.

All anyone has to do is sprint our of the HMGs terrible range, turn and shoot the heavy.

Heavies are now strictly for camping around corners.

look, 4 complex plates is a 40% movement pentle. That means a heavy will move at about 3/ms. Most non-heavy suits sprint at what? 6/ms?

Correct m if I'm wrong but dont the new heavies start with 400 base shields and armor with four low? Passively bring both base up to 500 and with stacked plates that's pretty close to 2000. Yes heavies move slow. Yes you can't run across an open field. But you have more HP than most LAVs.

Damnit CCP....

Why do you constantly have to nerf heavies.. we are not in such a good place you can afford to do that. We will already have less dps anyway from the loss of high slots and now this?

who?

That drunken heavy guy who makes those videos. DS 10.

this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/DSTheDrunkHeavy

everyone said that the high cost in this build WASN'T a nerf to heavies, but now that the price DROPS it's a buff?

can't have your cake and eat it mate

It is when it's convenient for them, cause poo is better than expensive poo

How can heavies possibly complain when you now have 4 low slots to stack more HP? That more than makes up for a few less points of DPS

That's nowhere near the 2000 hp a heavy can now obtain. Also, lol @ armor tanking assaults...

I believe he's going to find a new career choice.

Frankly, the heavy suit bonus should have been *reduction in armor plate penalty*

That would have made sense. Now I see why they didn't do it.

I saw it and it's complete bullshit. You suck, CCP.

don't believe i am coming back.

Because as of now the best way to stack HP in there reduces our already slow movement. Maybe that will change when the new armor modules come out but who knows...



Yeah are we playing the same game?My fits right now that are just absolutely devoted to HP have 590 shield and 1060 Health. And that is with a 20% movement penalty, so my already slow ass is down to ~2.8 m/s. Needless to say I don't play that class much.

TLDR: 1600 != 2000, especially not with a movement penalty as stiff as it is.

+1
And you were scoffing on me giving up till May 6th, smh

try reading the conversation before interjecting next time you ignorant ****

i was talking in regards to the updated suit for uprising that has 400 base shields and armor with 4 low slots. if you had taken the time to read the conversation you could have saved yourself a few hundred keystrokes.

lol @ armor tanking assaults

Controls
Equipment
* New equipment added:
* Added range indication for fallen teams mates when using nanite injector
* Added the ability to use the nanite injector even when you do not have it selected

who?

* Simplified the pricing on dropsuits GÇô thereGÇÖs now just one price category (i.e. heavy dropsuits now cost the same as assault dropsuits of the same meta level)
* Simplified the pricing of weapons GÇô they now have two price categories, primary weapons and sidearms (i.e. heavy machine guns will now cost the same as assault rifles, and nova knives the same as scrambler pistols of the same meta level)

I think he was talking about me. Lol. I'm trying to keep an open mind going into Uprising. Stats only mean so much when you're just looking at them. I'll judge everything when I get my hands on things on the 6th.

Enough sadness. This stuff right here made me happy.



We've been asking for this. At least they did something good for us.

Im against complaining but i will complain to ccp to get heavies buffed back up i mean they are called heavies for a reason not meat puppets

Don't give up. That's what these AR humping Codboys want us to do. Leaving a role that you like is just another victory for them. This isn't AR 514 yet, but it's getting close. Play with a chip on your shoulder, don't take any prisoners. The next time you see some little snot nosed basement dweller with an AR, remember what they've taken from you and take it back from them on the battlefield.

lol, he's a fellow heavy, can you blame him?

Yo, is yo bacon dtickin' around even if Heavies become as useless as scouts next build?

As long as the game does not become (insert weapon type here) 514, I'll be happy on that front.

Here is my two cents on this whole thing, straight from personal experience:

HMG Heavies: You do NOT want that gun to be pointed at your general direction, and their armor tanking is quite effective. They are killable when flanked, but its best to fight them with teammates, as they can only tank so much damage at once. This will be even more difficult if they have support from their teammates too.

AR Guys: Effective at most situations, can potentially kill HMG heavies with back up from the side or rear if they can catch them alone and unaware. But if they are caught by one... they might as well be AR Sponges. Don't me started if the heavy has back up as well, especially if said back up includes logibros.

As for which one is truly OP/UP, given the ton of variables that are involved in this (existence and use of cover, skill of the players involved, teammate involvement, gear types used/tech levels, etc), I honestly can't really figure that one out right now.

Anyone would like to help me out with this? That would be awesome! :)

Too hard to wait for new build to drop first and see what is "broken" an what is not I guess :)
You guys really make drama (like 2-3 guys lol) over every single thing before actual game gets patched :D

I will play heavy still and prove everyone it is far from broken lol

oh i intend to

hear, hear....

o/
Bill

glorified guard dogs for objectives

Camper

we don't have many options left at this point.....even now, i do my best games when i manage to get set up in a choke point


read some of the fiction CCP publishes, the HMG shoots down DROPSHIPS


there's a disconnect SOMEWHERE

we don't have many options left at this point.....even now, i do my best games when i manage to get set up in a choke point


read some of the fiction CCP publishes, the HMG shoots down DROPSHIPS


there's a disconnect SOMEWHERE

on a serious note, do belive w should join forces with all other NON assault suits and grief the CoD fanboys right out of the game be killing nothing but them

Well, yes, if a dropship is silly enough to first come into the HMG's range and then *stay* in range, of course a heavy will knock down a dropship. But that rarely happens, since most dropship pilots are rather intelligent, yes?

I would like people to look at this chain gun video in RL and try to tell me that its low dmg, low accuracy or short range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_JQt-erY-Q

Please notice it doesn't even have any bullet spread.

the HMG shoots down DROPSHIPS

there's a disconnect SOMEWHERE

Umm, no, it does not, I sprayed entire clips into a low flying dropship just last night and barely scratched it's shields





agreed

and let's not forget the trailers, the heavy with the HMG is the featured DPS giver, walking forward and plowing through the enemy...

In reality, we are just something to be scorned by ARs and Laser rifles that shoot us from another point halfway across the map where we have no chance of hitting them at all with our weapons

o/
Bill




don't forget the fiction were we single handedly blow up a dropship AND LAV in a SINGLE clip....

The hell did I miss? It seems like heavies still dominate the games I play if they have the proper support. The heavy shouldn't be a death machine that you run around in and just annihilate everyone...

played in a match recently? we are getting slaughtered by proto assaults


highlited section: why do WE need support to dominate, but assaults dont?

2x Advanced Heavy + 2x Standard Logi > 4x Proto Assault.

aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa, why because you can't go toe to toe with them, **** my STD scout, never mind my assault, can take out a logi heavy pair, and with heavies having even less range and damage? its gonna be a walk it the park.

Choices are fun.

aaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa, why because you can't go toe to toe with them, **** my STD scout, never mind my assault, can take out a logi heavy pair, and with heavies having even less range and damage? its gonna be a walk it the park.

so yeah i might come to forget this when i sober up, but for those who are staying a heavy weathering the bullets, and the storm of nerfs, keeping this niche of being a tank, i salut ya o7
if you see me on the field as a blue dot Logistics operator, know that i will do everything in my power to keep you alive. keep showing CCP that your kind will resist, will persevere and will one day prosper in New Eden.