DUST Search - CCP to the heavies: GTFO we hate you (patch notes and reason inside)

Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 wrote:

As long as the game does not become (insert weapon type here) 514, I'll be happy on that front.

Here is my two cents on this whole thing, straight from personal experience:

HMG Heavies: You do NOT want that gun to be pointed at your general direction, and their armor tanking is quite effective. They are killable when flanked, but its best to fight them with teammates, as they can only tank so much damage at once. This will be even more difficult if they have support from their teammates too.

AR Guys: Effective at most situations, can potentially kill HMG heavies with back up from the side or rear if they can catch them alone and unaware. But if they are caught by one... they might as well be AR Sponges. Don't me started if the heavy has back up as well, especially if said back up includes logibros.

As for which one is truly OP/UP, given the ton of variables that are involved in this (existence and use of cover, skill of the players involved, teammate involvement, gear types used/tech levels, etc), I honestly can't really figure that one out right now.

Anyone would like to help me out with this? That would be awesome! :)

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General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 494	Posted - 2013.05.03 22:41:00 - [61] - Quote Tiberion Deci wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: Frankly, the heavy suit bonus should have been reduction in armor plate penalty That would have made sense. Now I see why they didn't do it. lol, logic and CCP don't mix
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 494	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:00:00 - [62] - Quote Kovak Therim wrote: I saw it and it's complete bullshit. You suck, CCP. think that is the concensus of all the heavies
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 109	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:08:00 - [63] - Quote Personally I think it is the right move. I believe the HMG had too much "accurate" range for a weapon the player basically slung down on their hip and sprayed away. Makes the HMG a terror at close range and still a sufficient support-by-fire/suppression weapon at medium range. Heavy machine-guns are area weapons not point weapons. I do not thing the reduction in damage output will be that noticeable based on rate-of-fire. However, in defense of Heavies, I do think they need to introduce a light (or medium) size machine-gun that is only for the Heavy weapon slot. Something that can be shoulder-fired (ie: uses ADS), equal to the AR in range, with higher damage but slower rate of automatic fire. Think of something like a futuristic Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) except with a 100 round magazine.
Horus Forge Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 267	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:17:00 - [64] - Quote Hey, CCP is not the only one who thinks a heavy going 15/0 every round is wrong! Heavy has gone through so many nerf/buff cyles. Everyone is freaking out but the truth is you dont have specific information about the numbers and are just freaking out that someone adjusted your precious shiny hmg. heh.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 149	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:21:00 - [65] - Quote Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: don't believe i am coming back. +1 And you were scoffing on me giving up till May 6th, smh
King Kobrah SyNergy Gaming EoN. 214	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:44:00 - [66] - Quote Tiberion Deci wrote: King Kobrah wrote: How can heavies possibly complain when you now have 4 low slots to stack more HP? That more than makes up for a few less points of DPS Because as of now the best way to stack HP in there reduces our already slow movement. Maybe that will change when the new armor modules come out but who knows... King Kobrah wrote: That's nowhere near the 2000 hp a heavy can now obtain. Also, lol @ armor tanking assaults... Yeah are we playing the same game?My fits right now that are just absolutely devoted to HP have 590 shield and 1060 Health. And that is with a 20% movement penalty, so my already slow ass is down to ~2.8 m/s. Needless to say I don't play that class much. TLDR: 1600 != 2000, especially not with a movement penalty as stiff as it is. try reading the conversation before interjecting next time you ignorant **** i was talking in regards to the updated suit for uprising that has 400 base shields and armor with 4 low slots. if you had taken the time to read the conversation you could have saved yourself a few hundred keystrokes.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 494	Posted - 2013.05.03 23:54:00 - [67] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: don't believe i am coming back. +1 And you were scoffing on me giving up till May 6th, smh lol, he's a fellow heavy, can you blame him?
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 59	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:06:00 - [68] - Quote King Kobrah wrote: try reading the conversation before interjecting next time you ignorant ** i was talking in regards to the updated suit for uprising that has 400 base shields and armor with 4 low slots. if you had taken the time to read the conversation you could have saved yourself a few hundred keystrokes. Doesn't know what he's talking about^ All CCP did was readjust the type-II, yeah, it has 50 more base HP, but it also has the speed of a type-II. Was a buff given? Sure, but it's a very small one and barely even noticeable. Could you stack it with Armor plates? Sure, have fun moving slower than a snail. Quote:** lol @ armor tanking assaults So it's funny when an assault player does it, but's somehow viable on a heavy? No, armor sucks period. Have fun needing a babysitter all match.
Kovak Therim ZionTCD Unclaimed. 227	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:16:00 - [69] - Quote I'm not sure if I should stay pissed at CCP or burst out laughing at their stupidity.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 128	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:21:00 - [70] - Quote I feel real bad about them making your heavy a marshmallow or whatever it is this post is talking about, but THIS: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: Controls Equipment * New equipment added: * Added range indication for fallen teams mates when using nanite injector * Added the ability to use the nanite injector even when you do not have it selected IS FREAKIN' AWESOME!

DS 10 G I A N T EoN. 224	Posted - 2013.05.04 00:40:00 - [71] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: hooc order wrote: What does D 10 think of all this? who? I think he was talking about me. Lol. I'm trying to keep an open mind going into Uprising. Stats only mean so much when you're just looking at them. I'll judge everything when I get my hands on things on the 6th. Enough sadness. This stuff right here made me happy. Quote: * Simplified the pricing on dropsuits GÇô thereGÇÖs now just one price category (i.e. heavy dropsuits now cost the same as assault dropsuits of the same meta level) * Simplified the pricing of weapons GÇô they now have two price categories, primary weapons and sidearms (i.e. heavy machine guns will now cost the same as assault rifles, and nova knives the same as scrambler pistols of the same meta level) We've been asking for this. At least they did something good for us.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 495	Posted - 2013.05.04 01:47:00 - [72] - Quote DS 10 wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: hooc order wrote: What does D 10 think of all this? who? I think he was talking about me. Lol. I'm trying to keep an open mind going into Uprising. Stats only mean so much when you're just looking at them. I'll judge everything when I get my hands on things on the 6th. Enough sadness. This stuff right here made me happy. Quote: * Simplified the pricing on dropsuits GÇô thereGÇÖs now just one price category (i.e. heavy dropsuits now cost the same as assault dropsuits of the same meta level) * Simplified the pricing of weapons GÇô they now have two price categories, primary weapons and sidearms (i.e. heavy machine guns will now cost the same as assault rifles, and nova knives the same as scrambler pistols of the same meta level) We've been asking for this. At least they did something good for us. meh, if we had returned to last summer levels of awesomeness, i would have been happy with the price INCREASING.... we are getting backed further and further into a niche role while the assault suits become more and more of an "i win" option
The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 170	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:17:00 - [73] - Quote Nstomper wrote: Im against complaining but i will complain to ccp to get heavies buffed back up i mean they are called heavies for a reason not meat puppets +1
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 401	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:26:00 - [74] - Quote Don't give up. That's what these AR humping Codboys want us to do. Leaving a role that you like is just another victory for them. This isn't AR 514 yet, but it's getting close. Play with a chip on your shoulder, don't take any prisoners. The next time you see some little snot nosed basement dweller with an AR, remember what they've taken from you and take it back from them on the battlefield.
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 497	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:34:00 - [75] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Don't give up. That's what these AR humping Codboys want us to do. Leaving a role that you like is just another victory for them. This isn't AR 514 yet, but it's getting close. Play with a chip on your shoulder, don't take any prisoners. The next time you see some little snot nosed basement dweller with an AR, remember what they've taken from you and take it back from them on the battlefield. oh i intend to
Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 DUST University Ivy League 47	Posted - 2013.05.04 02:57:00 - [76] - Quote As long as the game does not become (insert weapon type here) 514, I'll be happy on that front.
DeadlyAztec11 One-Armed Bandits Atrocitas 155	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:01:00 - [77] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: don't believe i am coming back. +1 And you were scoffing on me giving up till May 6th, smh lol, he's a fellow heavy, can you blame him? Yo, is yo bacon dtickin' around even if Heavies become as useless as scouts next build?
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 500	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:25:00 - [78] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Lord-of-the-Dreadfort wrote: don't believe i am coming back. +1 And you were scoffing on me giving up till May 6th, smh lol, he's a fellow heavy, can you blame him? Yo, is yo bacon dtickin' around even if Heavies become as useless as scouts next build? yup if i have to quit the game because CCP devolved it into a CoD nock off, i will return doubly strong to de-rail as many threads as i can with bacon bacon shall have the last laugh........ha!
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 503	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:42:00 - [79] - Quote on a serious note, do belive we should join forces with all other NON assault suits and grief the CoD fanboys right out of the game be killing nothing but them
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 504	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:48:00 - [80] - Quote Frodaris Sortana 2100058545 wrote: As long as the game does not become (insert weapon type here) 514, I'll be happy on that front. Here is my two cents on this whole thing, straight from personal experience: HMG Heavies: You do NOT want that gun to be pointed at your general direction, and their armor tanking is quite effective. They are killable when flanked, but its best to fight them with teammates, as they can only tank so much damage at once. This will be even more difficult if they have support from their teammates too. AR Guys: Effective at most situations, can potentially kill HMG heavies with back up from the side or rear if they can catch them alone and unaware. But if they are caught by one... they might as well be AR Sponges. Don't me started if the heavy has back up as well, especially if said back up includes logibros. As for which one is truly OP/UP, given the ton of variables that are involved in this (existence and use of cover, skill of the players involved, teammate involvement, gear types used/tech levels, etc), I honestly can't really figure that one out right now. Anyone would like to help me out with this? That would be awesome! :) based on the past several builds? the AR and assault suit are the OP ones due to they flexibility and the fact that gear tier to gear teir, they out DPS just about anything else....the duvolle wins against the boundless any day of the week

Sylvana Nightwind Expert Intervention Caldari State 312	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:50:00 - [81] - Quote Too hard to wait for new build to drop first and see what is "broken" an what is not I guess :) You guys really make drama (like 2-3 guys lol) over every single thing before actual game gets patched :D I will play heavy still and prove everyone it is far from broken lol
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 504	Posted - 2013.05.04 03:56:00 - [82] - Quote Sylvana Nightwind wrote: Too hard to wait for new build to drop first and see what is "broken" an what is not I guess :) You guys really make drama (like 2-3 guys lol) over every single thing before actual game gets patched :D I will play heavy still and prove everyone it is far from broken lol lol, i have 8 months of experience with the heavies being nerfed, the same thing will happen as allways, we get smashed by the nerf hammer and become more and more glorified guard dogs for objectives
bcs1a ROYAL SQUAD 15	Posted - 2013.05.04 04:05:00 - [83] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Don't give up. That's what these AR humping Codboys want us to do. Leaving a role that you like is just another victory for them. This isn't AR 514 yet, but it's getting close. Play with a chip on your shoulder, don't take any prisoners. The next time you see some little snot nosed basement dweller with an AR, remember what they've taken from you and take it back from them on the battlefield. oh i intend to hear, hear.... o/ Bill
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 506	Posted - 2013.05.04 04:10:00 - [84] - Quote heavies should do nothing less than go kicking and screaming into the night.....while telling CoD fanboys and CCP to go **** eachother
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 506	Posted - 2013.05.04 04:58:00 - [85] - Quote bcs1a wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: Cosgar wrote: Don't give up. That's what these AR humping Codboys want us to do. Leaving a role that you like is just another victory for them. This isn't AR 514 yet, but it's getting close. Play with a chip on your shoulder, don't take any prisoners. The next time you see some little snot nosed basement dweller with an AR, remember what they've taken from you and take it back from them on the battlefield. oh i intend to hear, hear.... o/ Bill good, i'm not the only one
Julius Vindice A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 64	Posted - 2013.05.04 05:25:00 - [86] - Quote This game is like friendship... we become attracted to it when CCP uses new dropsuits and vehicles as the totally awesome stuff that they do that keeps us interseted, BUT THEN CCP nerfing the HMGs is like sleeping with a woman that you like behind your back like that Brazilian chick at Sonic or that German girl at Hooters. Why CCP WHY???
NeoWraith Acedia Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 72	Posted - 2013.05.04 06:01:00 - [87] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: glorified guard dogs for objectives Camper
General Tiberius1 ZionTCD Unclaimed. 506	Posted - 2013.05.04 06:13:00 - [88] - Quote NeoWraith Acedia wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: glorified guard dogs for objectives Camper we don't have many options left at this point.....even now, i do my best games when i manage to get set up in a choke point read some of the fiction CCP publishes, the HMG shoots down DROPSHIPS there's a disconnect SOMEWHERE
Quill Killian Better Hide R Die 139	Posted - 2013.05.04 06:16:00 - [89] - Quote General Tiberius1 wrote: NeoWraith Acedia wrote: General Tiberius1 wrote: glorified guard dogs for objectives Camper we don't have many options left at this point.....even now, i do my best games when i manage to get set up in a choke point read some of the fiction CCP publishes, the HMG shoots down DROPSHIPS there's a disconnect SOMEWHERE Well, yes, if a dropship is silly enough to first come into the HMG's range and then stay in range, of course a heavy will knock down a dropship. But that rarely happens, since most dropship pilots are rather intelligent, yes?
Mark0h SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 5	Posted - 2013.05.04 06:18:00 - [90] - Quote Going to be harder to rush a group, flux and mow down a line of people. instead, we get to wait for said group, and carefully pick our box to crouch beside, and pray that the hit detection gods are merciful and give us lots of headshot spray. All while being slow farts that cant dodge grenades.



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