I missed a ton of SP too, **** happens bro.

It's a game, relax; have fun with it.

Aside from the fact that I lost untold SP from the fact that CCP failed to communicate effectively the duration of this event.

I find it also irritating that this means CCP gave players one single day to reach full SP cap, TWICE IN A ROW!?
So... If someone was either busy early in the week (Or planned around getting 3x SP through Thursday like they told us) that person is potentially screwed out of like 1.2 million SP or something.

Which is another reason most of us thought the event would run "Through" Thursday. Because it would be ludicrous to have two consecutive days of expecting players to be able to reach two week's worth of SP cap. One of which being 3x as high as the other.

wtf?


So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday? Leaving other customers behind in the dust, This was NOT a good move CCP.

This was bad for the community and bad for the game.
Honestly just tell me, did you really think this through?

Meh.. Grinded out 5-600k yesterday.. If the SP cap reset like forum posts are saying, I'll be able to get the other 260k before next weds.. In the end, it's the same amount of XP I expected to get all along. So IMO, no harm no foul.

Meh.. Grinded out 5-600k yesterday.. If the SP cap reset like forum posts are saying, I'll be able to get the other 260k before next weds.. In the end, it's the same amount of XP I expected to get all along. So IMO, no harm no foul.

260k? I think it would work out to be ~75k.... the SP cap will have been reduced along with the 3x SP

You make me sad to be an American. Allow me to explain some things to you. CCP changes things during downtime, which is at like 11 AM. By the way, it's like 11 AM their time, because CCP operates on UTC/GMT. This means that if you live in the US, changes will occur around 5 AM on the day they say they will. If CCP says the event runs "through" Thursday, what they mean is through until downtime on Thursday. Now HTFU and get used to it.

Some people who capped out are saying they're getting SP again. As I said, let's hope the cap was completely reset. :P

I'm chill.

Some people who capped out are saying they're getting SP again. As I said, let's hope the cap was completely reset. :P

I'm chill.

I'm saying it was an asinine idea to give players literally 48 straight hours to gain 4 weeks worth of SP. Or alternatively, if they miss that small opportunity they lose a relative month of SP compared to other players.

That's 4 weeks in two days! And any reasonable person would have thought this couldn't be the case hence it must end after Thursday's reset and begin the regular weekly cycle. I truly think this was a mistake or oversight.

Aside from the fact that I lost untold SP from the fact that CCP failed to communicate effectively the duration of this event.

I find it also irritating that this means CCP gave players one single day to reach full SP cap, TWICE IN A ROW!?
So... If someone was either busy early in the week (Or planned around getting 3x SP through Thursday like they told us) that person is potentially screwed out of like 1.2 million SP or something.

Which is another reason most of us thought the event would run "Through" Thursday. Because it would be ludicrous to have two consecutive days of expecting players to be able to reach two week's worth of SP cap. One of which being 3x as high as the other.

wtf?


So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday? Leaving other customers behind in the dust, This was NOT a good move CCP.

This was bad for the community and bad for the game.
Honestly just tell me, did you really think this through?

MMO's aren't supposed to be fair buddy.

Aside from the fact that I lost untold SP from the fact that CCP failed to communicate effectively the duration of this event.

I find it also irritating that this means CCP gave players one single day to reach full SP cap, TWICE IN A ROW!?
So... If someone was either busy early in the week (Or planned around getting 3x SP through Thursday like they told us) that person is potentially screwed out of like 1.2 million SP or something.

Which is another reason most of us thought the event would run "Through" Thursday. Because it would be ludicrous to have two consecutive days of expecting players to be able to reach two week's worth of SP cap. One of which being 3x as high as the other.

wtf?


So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday? Leaving other customers behind in the dust, This was NOT a good move CCP.

This was bad for the community and bad for the game.
Honestly just tell me, did you really think this through?

You haven-¦t "lost" anything, you missed an opportunity. Completely different things.

Yes, it was a no lifer event. I went to the beach yesterday and didn-¦t get the full possibility of SP. Choices choices choices.

It was a good move. Got their server stress tested.

Dude. It's just a game. I don't care if you're mad. Besides, CCP will never be able to make everyone happy because there will always be that one person in the crowd who is pissed off at what CCP does or doesn't do. Besides, once the CPM has been established with a proper election system for the players, you will have a proper voice in the matter. But we have bigger things to concern ourselves with.

Thank you for recognizing the magnificence of my neck beard.

@Nguruthos IX

Dude, it's just a game. Let it go.

So a penny saved isn't a penny earned?

Lost is lost, the net result is the same so don't play semantics.
BTW I'm not saying they should fix this event, or toss anyone they screwed a bone.

I'm just hoping to demonstrate that with a few extra digits or an extra sentence all things like this can be completely avoided. So why not?

When dates and timing are important people generally make them very clear. The military does not say 'we're going to attack at 12:00 next Friday' Do they mean this friday coming, or the one after that? AM or PM?

A company serving to international customers with a timed event could at least take the extra three seconds to say "BTW, this is GMT, so don't be confused by the fact that this will result in a weird additional schedule. Like having one day to reach weekly SP cap. Then second day to reach weekly SP cap.


IMO they needed to either be more concise OR normalize their downtime/reset scheduled to take into account this ill-synchronized event they laid over-top of it.

Ohhhh, is see.

You-¦re one of those at the Music Industry that consider that a Download = Loss/Theft

Like when a costumer goes to your store, and "Consumes" the music at the elevator, doesn-¦t buy anything, and istead of making a "Profit" you are at a "Loss".

Sure sure, that-¦s it.

Ask for reinbursment from CCP, you clearly started today with less-than-you-could-have-earned-if-you-had-played-yesterday, and this is probably a server bug.

All times are GMT. In my country for example, we don-¦t use am or pm, we use 24h.

And the reference will always be downtime. How am i going to say "Friday" with so many timming zones?


- You haven-¦t lost anything
- GMT
- Downtime

Who's letting not letting what go?

They're a company in Iceland. 99.999999% of their player base is not in Iceland. When they failed to include those 3 letters that would have made all this clear "...time...GMT" it left the event ambiguous. Thinking about it, why would they give their players only 2 days to max out 4 WEEKS worth of SP?

That made no sense and without further clarification this lead to the logical conclusion that

if GMT --> implies 4 weeks SP in 2 days --> Insane --> Improbably.
if not GMT --> implies 2 days to get 3 weeks SP, then 6 days to get 7 days worth --> not insane --> more probably.

Wait... You honestly didn't pick up that EVERYTHING CCP does is in UTC/GMT? The forum posts, the corp battle times, all that didn't tip you off?

If it needs to be pointed out, the difference in my position, than the opinion of some music industrials:

The difference is nobody asked to listen to music in the elevator and nobody wanted it. If some guy pays for a coffee and hands it to me free, no company lost any money and I wasn't going to get coffee anyways.

As far as downloading songs. If you place two items on a shelf, identical except one is priced 50% less, what do you think people will get?

Sure everyone will buy the less expensive thing, but some New people who otherwise would never have gotten the full priced item may now be interested in the half off item.

Likewise when something is technically available to everyone free, people who otherwise wouldn't have even bought the songs now figure "what the hell, it'll take 2 minutes, why not".

If a particular person was interested in buying a new album but then find's it on a turret and downloads it anyways then yes, obviously the company lost money to pirating. Just like shop lifting.

Silly off topic but when you bring slander like that into a conversation it needs sorted out. This is nothing like what I was saying and I'm sure you can see that.

It's funny, all this in defense of CCP. All this opposition to the simple suggestion that they include a time-zone stamp for important posts.

Because you all feel that critical information being implied (while maybe fine for Eve veterans) is somehow also acceptable for everyone else.

Not quite like that.



The metaphor was simply to say that you can-¦t say you got negatively impacted by the events, only that you remained neutral.

Not being positive is not the same as being negative.

If you pay for a subscription of 5 coffes per month, and you drink 4, one it-¦s not "lost" is simply not consumed.
If you pay for a subscription of 5 coffes per month, you wnt to drink 5, and they only give you 4, THEN you-¦re at loss.

Semantics is impotant in cases like this.

Aside from the fact that I lost untold SP from the fact that CCP failed to communicate effectively the duration of this event.

I find it also irritating that this means CCP gave players one single day to reach full SP cap, TWICE IN A ROW!?
So... If someone was either busy early in the week (Or planned around getting 3x SP through Thursday like they told us) that person is potentially screwed out of like 1.2 million SP or something.

Which is another reason most of us thought the event would run "Through" Thursday. Because it would be ludicrous to have two consecutive days of expecting players to be able to reach two week's worth of SP cap. One of which being 3x as high as the other.

wtf?


So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday? Leaving other customers behind in the dust, This was NOT a good move CCP.

This was bad for the community and bad for the game.
Honestly just tell me, did you really think this through?

Dear players,

From Wednesday April 24th through Thursday May 2nd we will be holding an event in celebration of Fanfest 2013. The name of the event is called the Mercenary Holocon and during the event period you will be eligible to receive 3X Skill Points for every battle you fight in game!


Le-¦ts go by excluision.

They said April 24th through Thursday May 2nd. Today right now is still May 2nd but it-¦s not valid anymore. Why?

How to handle different time zones? How to handle places where it-¦s friday and thursday at the same time? What-¦s the lowest common denominator ?

Downtime.

Regarding CCP-¦s writing, yes, they can improve a lot and sometimes they become quite ambiguos, but this time specifically i don-¦t see much margin for error.

Well I seem to be one of the few people who understands your thread in here, I agree with you that they should have atleast clarified when this event would end, and if they did, it should have been made more clear, because I honestly thought it ended thursday as well. by the way wtf is up with people saying its only a game lol seriously, im pretty sure he understands its only a game, doesn't mean that a "game" can't irritate someone like other things do in life.

It's so smooth. Do you use a comb? Conditioner?

May I caress it?

You just nailed it though. You injected the word "downtime". They never stated "Downtime". It was implied and interpreted by those with experience from previous events.

That shouldn't be a prerequisite for understanding their posts. And lets say they even stated "At downtime". Its entirely possible that some players, especially newer may have no experience to know when that down time is. Although they could then have searched for that information it still could have simple said "Event ends, AT downtime, AT 3:00 AM, PDT" or whatever time it is there.

That's the thing about CCP and us (the players) as well. When CCP posts things, they assume that we already know certain things such as downtime. This is something they have posted long ago since spring of last year when they finally allowed players to play on every day of the week rather than from Thursday to Sunday. They posted the downtime schedules and everything and that was a long time ago.

By the way, downtime is usually around 12:00 (noon) UTC or around 7-8:00am EST for us Americans. This is the same downtime that Eve Online players have adapted to.

Because this system has been around for about 10 years and a large number of Dust players happen to be Eve players as well and with all the constant communicating you and I are doing on a daily basis, it should be no surprise that CCP expects us to know simple things like this already.

Awesome, by your logic then it's perfectly acceptable if the dev's wanted to give me 200 million SP for nothing. Nobody else though. It's fine because "mmo's arn't fair".
Sorry buddy but if you can't raise the level of intellectual discussion here beyond that, then why do you bother speaking?

Thanks. It's no surprise. It's just an inexplicable move in the context of them trying to pull in a new player base (console/FPS) for a new game (Dust) and thinking that their decades old modus operandi is appropriate.

This thread can die but I'd love for a CPM to bring some awareness to CCP, since this appears to be a problem for them to consider now.

Nope, not server bug. A mistake in their planning and execution of the event. Either by lack of forethought or (in my opinion) just a bad decision.

It's always GMT unless they say otherwise.

Because I haven't been in a corp battle or seen their times. And forum posts? What do you mean? The time that Dev's make posts? It's an internet forum they could be posting from their phones in the middle of the night what difference does that make?

So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday?

Which needed to be said in the first place, and apparently never was. Anywhere. Try again.

Aside from the fact that I lost untold SP from the fact that CCP failed to communicate effectively the duration of this event.

I find it also irritating that this means CCP gave players one single day to reach full SP cap, TWICE IN A ROW!?
So... If someone was either busy early in the week (Or planned around getting 3x SP through Thursday like they told us) that person is potentially screwed out of like 1.2 million SP or something.

Which is another reason most of us thought the event would run "Through" Thursday. Because it would be ludicrous to have two consecutive days of expecting players to be able to reach two week's worth of SP cap. One of which being 3x as high as the other.

wtf?


So who does this event benefit. The neck beard elite who have no jobs, no finals, no commitments on a Tuesday and Wednesday? Leaving other customers behind in the dust, This was NOT a good move CCP.

This was bad for the community and bad for the game.
Honestly just tell me, did you really think this through?

You make me sad to be an American.

Even though I saw it coming this time and took full advantage, these "week in a day" pseudo-events are deeply unfair and should not be allowed to happen again.

Unfair for whom?

Those that have spare time and are short on money are quite happy with them.

Unfair for whom?

Those that have spare time and are short on money are quite happy with them.

I'm not sure how an unannounced, single day event where players "in the know" with the ability to free up 10-15 hours for grinding can get a three week advantage could possibly be considered anything resembling "fair".

The last thing this game needs is more ways for the vets to pull ahead of the SP curve.

No one cares about you. Let me repeat that NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOU.

This was designed to make new players at a specific time between advertisement pushes happy so CCP can stay in business. This has nothing, nor should it have anything, to do with being fair.

It was a good choice by CCP...now be happy with the 7 million SP you already have and sit down.

. Doesn't it make more sense to reset the SP cap and end the event at the same time?

I'm not sure how an unannounced, single day event where players "in the know" with the ability to free up 10-15 hours for grinding can get a three week advantage could possibly be considered anything resembling "fair".

The last thing this game needs is more ways for the vets to pull ahead of the SP curve.

I'm not so much angry about it occuring as I am confused as to WHY it had to occur. It started on Wednesday, why not end it then?

Was there some reason? Someone it was meant to benefit that you were grateful to? Was it to get boosters burning a bit longer?

I'm half convinced they are testing AFK detection methods. The Endurance Event was asking for AFKers. The 3x SP event was asking for it even harder. The 1 day extra of it actually got a mini freaking event going of AFKers. Were they looking to increase the test pool for when the released their AFK preventatives?

There is no point in getting all worked up over this.

I could quite well say the same of you sir:
through
/THro-Po/
Preposition
Moving in one side and out of the other side of (an opening, channel, or location): "stepping through the doorway".
Adjective
(of a means of public transportation or a ticket) Continuing or valid to the final destination: "a through train from Boston".
Synonyms
preposition. by - thru - over - for - via - per - in - on - out of
adjective. thru - direct - nonstop - straight

So when CCP says "through" the 2nd, people with an educational level above 1st grade rightly think "inclusive of" or "until the end of"

Next time you're going to beat someone down for making a proper reading of a sentence, please get your facts straight first and keep in mind that most Dust players have no prior experience with CCP in any manner.

o/
Bill

wait wut?


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70077
announced week long event to run in conjunction with fanfest...

the only thing unclear/unannounced about it was CCP's use of the term "through" and not following through with its actual meaning.

o/
Bill

2.) The 3x SP event does not increase the amount of time it takes to gain the SP in question. Your cap is still about 200,000 SP, Boosters (and this event) just increase the amount on top of what you would normally make unboosted.

You guys do know that, May 1 is a globally celebrated non-working holiday (Labor Day). A reason the 3x sp Holocon event made it an extra day after weekly cap reset to thursday downtime is also partly because of this.

Probably, no one was at work to turn off the 3x sp till thursday.

Also, it doesn't take a genius to figure out they meant 'up to downtime Thursday' as the ending of Holocon event.

"Hello, you have reached the voicemail of Chilled Pill. I will be on vacation through Thursday" ... so your boss expects you at work Friday because "through" includes Thursday.

EDIT: And timezone arguments prove the point, this would include the Thursday EVE TIME which is GMT and begins at downtime.

Did you people seriously expect CCP to end an event at any other time than downtime? And if not, did you think they'd end it on the 3rd? No. This is super ******* easy. CCP ends things at downtime, on the date they say they will. Doesn't matter what words they throw around it. At downtime. On the day they say they will. How many times do I need to repeat myself?

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

Do you get it yet?

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

Remember this for next time.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

At downtime. On the day they say they will.

Oh look downtime was at 11:00 - 12:00 GMT on Thursday. Which for some areas like Australia +10GMT and Asia +8GMT was at 9PM and 7PM respectively, probably qualifying the use of the word 'through'.

'Awwwwww...but that's not 'mericuh time the world kittened us. Next time world, 'mericuh time please. Not to be entitled or anything...'

New Zealand is GMT+12.

The downtime ended just before midnight and even WE didn't see them run ALL THE WAY "through" Thursday.

But the game runs on EVE time, which is GMT, and "through" still means "through" so they still didn't stick to the exact wording they used.

Of course, unlike the Merc Pack issue, their choice of phrasing isn't legally-binding here, so it's not as big a deal.

This.

Time for round 2