DUST Search - 3x SP event miscommunication: Not entitled but nonetheless irritated

Nguruthos IX wrote:

Natu Nobilis wrote:

Nguruthos IX wrote:

It's funny, all this in defense of CCP. All this opposition to the simple suggestion that they include a time-zone stamp for important posts.

Because you all feel that critical information being implied (while maybe fine for Eve veterans) is somehow also acceptable for everyone else.

Dear players,

From Wednesday April 24th through Thursday May 2nd we will be holding an event in celebration of Fanfest 2013. The name of the event is called the Mercenary Holocon and during the event period you will be eligible to receive 3X Skill Points for every battle you fight in game!

Le-¦ts go by excluision.

They said April 24th through Thursday May 2nd. Today right now is still May 2nd but it-¦s not valid anymore. Why?

How to handle different time zones? How to handle places where it-¦s friday and thursday at the same time? What-¦s the lowest common denominator ?

Downtime.

Regarding CCP-¦s writing, yes, they can improve a lot and sometimes they become quite ambiguos, but this time specifically i don-¦t see much margin for error.

You just nailed it though. You injected the word "downtime". They never stated "Downtime". It was implied and interpreted by those with experience from previous events.

That shouldn't be a prerequisite for understanding their posts. And lets say they even stated "At downtime". Its entirely possible that some players, especially newer may have no experience to know when that down time is. Although they could then have searched for that information it still could have simple said "Event ends, AT downtime, AT 3:00 AM, PDT" or whatever time it is there.


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Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2163	Posted - 2013.05.02 16:27:00 - [1] - Quote Dude. It's just a game. I don't care if you're mad. Besides, CCP will never be able to make everyone happy because there will always be that one person in the crowd who is pissed off at what CCP does or doesn't do. Besides, one the CPM has been established with a proper election system for the players, you will have a proper voice in the matter. But we have bigger things to concern ourselves with.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2163	Posted - 2013.05.02 16:36:00 - [2] - Quote @Nguruthos IX Dude, it's just a game. Let it go.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2163	Posted - 2013.05.02 17:00:00 - [3] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: @Nguruthos IX Dude, it's just a game. Let it go. Who's letting not letting what go? You. You seem so annoyed by this one thing that very few of us even think about let alone care about it. This is not something to fret over anyways. I know you're irritated by this, but posting a thread about it is hardly going to help. Besides, judging from the replies posted here on your thread, there are not that many of us who care and the ones who do care don't seem that bothered by it. Of course, this doesn't mean that the issue is non-existent. It's an issue of communication from CCP regardless of how small and I do believe it needs to be addressed, but this is something that I don't believe needs a thread for. You could always communicate privately to CCP at [email protected] and voice your concerns there. Oh, just as a minor tidbit, I hardly even try to reach the weekly SP cap at all. In fact, out of the entire time that I have been playing the Chromosome build since late last year, I have only capped out 2 times. I think 3 but I'm not sure about that. Even I'm not bother by this at all. You should have seen the number of people complaining about players taking advantage of the 1 day in which CCP changed the system from daily cap to weekly cap which resulted in a handful of smart players gaining a lot of SP in a single 24hour period. People thought this was unfair but CCP stated there is no need to punish players who just so happen to be more attentive than others. I'm not sure if this case is related at all to your thread, but I just wanted to say it.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2164	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:28:00 - [4] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Natu Nobilis wrote: Nguruthos IX wrote: It's funny, all this in defense of CCP. All this opposition to the simple suggestion that they include a time-zone stamp for important posts. Because you all feel that critical information being implied (while maybe fine for Eve veterans) is somehow also acceptable for everyone else. Dear players, From Wednesday April 24th through Thursday May 2nd we will be holding an event in celebration of Fanfest 2013. The name of the event is called the Mercenary Holocon and during the event period you will be eligible to receive 3X Skill Points for every battle you fight in game! Le-¦ts go by excluision. They said April 24th through Thursday May 2nd. Today right now is still May 2nd but it-¦s not valid anymore. Why? How to handle different time zones? How to handle places where it-¦s friday and thursday at the same time? What-¦s the lowest common denominator ? Downtime. Regarding CCP-¦s writing, yes, they can improve a lot and sometimes they become quite ambiguos, but this time specifically i don-¦t see much margin for error. You just nailed it though. You injected the word "downtime". They never stated "Downtime". It was implied and interpreted by those with experience from previous events. That shouldn't be a prerequisite for understanding their posts. And lets say they even stated "At downtime". Its entirely possible that some players, especially newer may have no experience to know when that down time is. Although they could then have searched for that information it still could have simple said "Event ends, AT downtime, AT 3:00 AM, PDT" or whatever time it is there. That's the thing about CCP and us (the players) as well. When CCP posts things, they assume that we already know certain things such as downtime. This is something they have posted long ago since spring of last year when they finally allowed players to play on every day of the week rather than from Thursday to Sunday. They posted the downtime schedules and everything and that was a long time ago. By the way, downtime is usually around 12:00 (noon) UTC or around 7-8:00am EST for us Americans. This is the same downtime that Eve Online players have adapted to. Because this system has been around for about 10 years and a large number of Dust players happen to be Eve players as well and with all the constant communicating you and I are doing on a daily basis, it should be no surprise that CCP expects us to know simple things like this already.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2165	Posted - 2013.05.02 18:56:00 - [5] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Thanks. It's no surprise. It's just an inexplicable move in the context of them trying to pull in a new player base (console/FPS) for a new game (Dust) and thinking that their decades old modus operandi is appropriate. This thread can die but I'd love for a CPM to bring some awareness to CCP, since this appears to be a problem for them to consider now. Remember, CCP is not like other game developers. They are not obligated to follow certain standard set by big-name companies like BioWare, Infinity Ward, Bungie, 343 Industries, Epic Games, etc. They follow their own standards which practically appears to be alien to those consumers who have grown use to the normal clock work style of gaming. This is a little off topic but let me tell you something. I did a report for one of my old business management classes on Eve Online and its Council of Stellar Management (CSM). After taking 10-15 minutes to explain to the audience of the nature of how the economy in the game works and how players practically operate like real-world corporations and have an elected voice via the CSM and organize on a massive scale never seen before in an MMO, one of the members of the audience spoke up to me and said: "That's... that's crazy. You can't just give the players so much power over how your [real-world] company does its business. Why give them so much power?" At that moment, I realized that some people out there are just not use to the concept that CCP is operating under. Some players have gotten so use to the usual $60 release cycles and standard business models that anytime a company comes out of the wood work and challenges that standard model, suddenly everyone is like "WOAH?!!??! WTF!!!!!??"
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2167	Posted - 2013.05.02 19:49:00 - [6] - Quote Nguruthos IX wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: It's always GMT unless they say otherwise. Which needed to be said in the first place, and apparently never was. Anywhere. Try again. Go to their announcement section. All hours posted there are in GMT unless stated otherwise.
Maken Tosch Planetary Response Organization 2170	Posted - 2013.05.02 22:46:00 - [7] - Quote There is no point in getting all worked up over this.