When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest.

CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation.

Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.

When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest.

CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation.

Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.

Yeah, and while they're at it, would you like them to remove lasers, heavies, logistics, snipers, mass drivers, shotguns, and anything else that doesn't pertain to a front-loaded shield tanking assault with an AR? Hell, why not just sell the IP to Activision, they could do a good job getting some life out it, at least till Dust 539....

ill translate op for you all.

i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving.

I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol

Did you lose your tank by chance

Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage.

HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field.

Careful, they might take you seriously. Because they sure as hell don't care about those that want to use tanks.

When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest.

CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation.

Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.

I lost a tank to a terrain glitch before. I thought they fixed that problem. Apparently not.

When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem.

Just out of curiosity, how much SP do you actually have invested into HAV? Are your core passives maxed? Were you in a squad? I can already assume the answer, but go ahead, surprise me.

Still waiting for an answer, OP...

When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest.

CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation.

Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.

Understand you don't grasp proper tanking (just like I don't I'm ******* terrible in them) and move along to another role.

Leave the tanks for the people who are good with them, or put in the time to learn how to be good with them. It sounds like you are neither.

Nice grammar

Anyone notice that this crap alternates everyday? Wahhh! tanks are OP even though I have 0 SP into AV one day and then Bawwww! I have 1,000,000 SP into HAV and my tank isn't a rolling deathmobile. It's like penguins on the north pole wishing they lived in the south pole and the ones in the south wishing they lived in the north.

Got about 7 million SP invested, and like all tankers with half a brain I switched from pure blaster tank to railgun.

Infantry support doesn't help much when everyone pack AV grenades they can easily throw in between shooting faces.

Someone who ran positive ISK flow driving blaster gunnlogi and sagaris the first couple months must be bad.

And saying that railguns are what anyone with half a brain has switched to must mean I'm bad, not that I easily two-three shot kill anything blaster that tries to run the field. You are so out of the loop when it comes to contemporary tanking that you don't even grasp the basics of the issues we face.

You are worse than bad.

So you are making money tanking 24/7, sounds like there was no problem in the first place.

You're so good at tanking that you rarely ever get blown up, but you start a thread talking about how tanking is pointless because you get blown up all the time.

Seems reasonable.

Got about 7 million SP invested, and like all tankers with half a brain I switched from pure blaster tank to railgun.

Infantry support doesn't help much when everyone pack AV grenades they can easily throw in between shooting faces.

Yes, yes since all heavies run at 25 M per second or whatever the fastest tanks can move at

So I am probably one of those most vocal about how tanks are NOT UP and AV is NOT OP. So I decided to try tanks for the first time. Got a Madgruder with some tier 1 or 2 armor plates and reps. Like 1K shields, 8K armor.

Right now I SUCK at aiming. Up close the tank has some strange properties where i cant hit stuff that I feel like I can, Im not even sure where my bullets are going.

That being said, even though I am terrible in my tank and have only just started using it, and can barely drive or aim, I still killed like 5 or so folks before going down (i was super agressive, working by myself) and took like a whole team chasing me down and easily caused us to cap 2 NULL cannons both times.

The tank costs me like 300-400K.

And I have no idea what im doing.

This seems 100% fair to me. I suck at it right now, and I was able to pay 300-400k to just pretty much buy a 5.0 K/D and two NULL captures for my team. If anything my ****** perfomance tells just how powerful tanks are. I was terrible, and I still changed the battle completely.

Right, cause balancing a game for the top .1% of the player base is the way to make the game a success. Sorry, but your pub stomping isnt the point of this game. But keep padding those stats to make yourself feel good.

Right, cause balancing a game for the top .1% of the player base is the way to make the game a success. Sorry, but your pub stomping isnt the point of this game. But keep padding those stats to make yourself feel good.

Yeah im not sure how else to take a .1% comment other than a compliment. Imperfects are good, I dont know your stats in particular, but I do assume you are probably better than me. Awesome for you.

I love the assumption of my skills by you guys though, classy, and im sure very well informed and based on tons of facts.

Look, I play tons of FPS, I play them pretty competitively. I know there is a balance between balancing things for top tier play, and everyone else. But all tankers arguments seem to ignore top tier squad support around them. Ive yet to have a tanker explain to me what his squad is doing when packed AV naders get in range?

Cause seems to me that takes pretty low level skills to let occur. It doesnt take rocket science to have some precise scanning around a tank, watching for red dots and then jumping on them with ARs that have kill times of half a second...

Yeah im not sure how else to take a .1% comment other than a compliment. Imperfects are good, I dont know your stats in particular, but I do assume you are probably better than me. Awesome for you.

I love the assumption of my skills by you guys though, classy, and im sure very well informed and based on tons of facts.

Look, I play tons of FPS, I play them pretty competitively. I know there is a balance between balancing things for top tier play, and everyone else. But all tankers arguments seem to ignore top tier squad support around them. Ive yet to have a tanker explain to me what his squad is doing when packed AV naders get in range?

Cause seems to me that takes pretty low level skills to let occur. It doesnt take rocket science to have some precise scanning around a tank, watching for red dots and then jumping on them with ARs that have kill times of half a second...

When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem with my fitting.

Nice grammar

Why? Why should the tank be able to roll in by itself when everyone else requires team work?

Packed AV nades dont have great range, you need to get close. Standard have better range, but its still way lower than AR. So if you have 3 guys supporting the tank, in the area of the tank, with precise scanning able to pick up a red dot as it comes into AV nade range, that AV unit is dead instantly. Im not syaing the infantry goes in first, im saying they are near by for support, looking out for AV units.


Look, if you balance the tank for solo play then when good teams have squads supporting it they will be way OP. If a tank can do what you are suggesting, what happens when a tank DOES roll in with 3 squad mates clearing out any AV that pokes its head out?

Your bunny hop nade tactics may work 1 on1 against a bad tank (but even then a good armor tank takes way more than 3 nades, so they have to park their butt next to your nano for this to work.) But you are EASILY murdered by an AR user near by who is watching the tank. Good luck getting off more then 1 or 2 nades.

The tank can roll in with a squad, still doesnt stop AV seeking nade spam until they are dead and by the time that happen alot of nades can easily be spammed

Going in with a squad means jack ****

Really? So having people who shoot at any enemy approaching grenade range DOESN'T prevent people from getting into grenade range?

That's weird, because it usually works fine when I do it (as HAV or infantry)

I didnt know you could see through structures

Man that tank is really coordinating well with his squad and has good map awareness if the enemy has awesome flanks around buildings that nobody is watching.

If you can't see where you're driving your tank, send infantry ahead to clear the route first.

Obviously.

My Scout suit can see enemies through walls pretty well most of the time.

lol-what-building?

Seriously though. I see tanks called in on this map ALL THE TIME....

But I laugh when someone calls in a dropship...

No point sending the tank in then either afterwards, no need for it

No point sending the tank in then either afterwards, no need for it

Tanks control the open areas, infantry control enclosed spaces.

Working as intended.

If you need your tank to pass through an enclosed space, send infantry through it first. Clear a path, then use it.

Except that forge with infantry support can be sniped in a matter of seconds via one player with a decent sniper and half way decent aim...

A heavy in adv LAV is scary (with squad support in the LAV too) but its still 10x more vulnerable while driving than a tank is, and costs almost as much SP/ISK. And once he jumps out, nearby infantry can pelt him before he can get more than a few nades/shots off.

Yes, a squad running an advanced LAV capabale of tanking some AV shots itself is the best way to handle a tank, but it requires teamwork, ISK and SP investment, so whats the problem there?

How bad is your squad that an AV nade can walk OUT INTO THE OPEN next to a tank, jump around for 3-5 seconds without getting shot to death? Kill times in this game are not that high for infantry, even heavies, especially if 3 dudes are shooting at them?

Trying to wriggle away from an answer just cause it wasn't one you liked?

No, I'm waiting for Spkr4theDead, the person who started this QQ topic to discuss his SP investment, fitting, to get proper context as to why his tank got blamped so easily. If he had more than 1 mil invested, with core skills maxed, and wasn't going full blaster like a n00b thinking he can be a one man pub stomp, he probably woul've replied by now.
Since he hasn't, it's safe to assume that he's the latter: Didn't understand how the skill system works, threw in the prereuisites to get access to HAV and thought he could roll around in god mode. In which case, I'll respond with:

Working as intended.

No, I'm waiting for Spkr4theDead, the person who started this QQ topic to discuss his SP investment, fitting, to get proper context as to why his tank got blamped so easily. If he had more than 1 mil invested, with core skills maxed, and wasn't going full blaster like a n00b thinking he can be a one man pub stomp, he probably woul've replied by now.
Since he hasn't, it's safe to assume that he's the latter: Didn't understand how the skill system works, threw in the prereuisites to get access to HAV and thought he could roll around in god mode. In which case, I'll respond with:

Working as intended.

Rail control open areas

Blasters are ment for up close and personal

Rails stay behind terrain and play pop-up sniper firing into open areas from secure positions.

Blasters fight on the front lines, controlling the open areas more directly.

BOTH are about controlling the open areas of the map, and BOTH are vulnerable in enclosed areas without infantry support.

Blaster does not control open areas

Normally a tank in open ground even if ther is milita AV around is waiting to get hit, open ground no cover nice line of sight for AV to hit you, its generally not tank friendly

Seriously suggests the OP to go play AV for a bit.

You're doing it wrong.

You funny guy

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were smart enough to figure out your own mistake. My bad.

Exposed positions occur within open areas, but not all open areas are exposed positions. An exposed position is something which you let Railguns watch over. An open area that ISN'T an exposed position is an ideal patrol route for a Blaster tank. Most open spaces in DUST have at least some measure of cover that a Blaster tank can use. The ones that don't are dominated by Railgun tanks.

So... non-open open areas?

So... non-open open areas?

Open enough to move a tank through easily, with minimal risk of infantry hiding in well-defended corners that you can't see them in until it's too late.

Not exposed so that you have not cover.

There are areas like this in every current map for both Skirmish and Ambush.

Still waiting for an answer, OP...

Haha did you drive off a cliff? a glitch is a glitch, file a report and move on. Thats what we're here for.

A properly fit Madrugar would feel the tickle, turn round and welp whoever did it. Of course if your out in the open with no support then its your own damn fault and deserve to get you rivets handed to you

Trying to wriggle away from an answer just cause it wasn't one you liked?

How do you die in a tank? lmfao

coming from the guy called spkr4thedead...

So I am probably one of those most vocal about how tanks are NOT UP and AV is NOT OP. So I decided to try tanks for the first time. Got a Madgruder with some tier 1 or 2 armor plates and reps. Like 1K shields, 8K armor.

Right now I SUCK at aiming. Up close the tank has some strange properties where i cant hit stuff that I feel like I can, Im not even sure where my bullets are going.

That being said, even though I am terrible in my tank and have only just started using it, and can barely drive or aim, I still killed like 5 or so folks before going down (i was super agressive, working by myself) and took like a whole team chasing me down and easily caused us to cap 2 NULL cannons both times.

The tank costs me like 300-400K.

And I have no idea what im doing.

This seems 100% fair to me. I suck at it right now, and I was able to pay 300-400k to just pretty much buy a 5.0 K/D and two NULL captures for my team. If anything my ****** perfomance tells just how powerful tanks are. I was terrible, and I still changed the battle completely.

As someone who has been gaming for longer than most of you have been born I have seen what the input of Randoms has done to Competitive Play. DCUO went from OK to Epc Fail b/c it shared your ideology. FPS/TPS (3PS) have done nothing but decrease in Quality over time (IE Socom 4 & MGO2). Why is Balancing so much better in Fighters??? B/C Seth Killian faps to watching Justin Wong & Daigo under a Microscope??? B/C DUSTloop Forums have people w/ more braincells than the CoDCloners who hop on here???

If I cared about Stat Padding I wouldn't run amok in a Free BPO Dropsuit still going Posotive in PUBS (w/ 90% of 10.3KK SP in Tanks) for teh LULZ. If anything the Cannon Fodder Blues & Corpmates soaking in FREE WP for OBs would be considered "Stat Padders"....... But no, b/c I still maintain a Positive KdR & ISK Efficiency while messing around, getting TKed by Scrubs, watching my RDV Driver soak up 250KK ISK (Actual ISK lost to Drunk Pilots), & LOLing as it all happens I am labeled as a Stat Padding .1%er. Compliment Accepted, get good brah :P

Yeah im not sure how else to take a .1% comment other than a compliment. Imperfects are good, I dont know your stats in particular, but I do assume you are probably better than me. Awesome for you.

I love the assumption of my skills by you guys though, classy, and im sure very well informed and based on tons of facts.

Look, I play tons of FPS, I play them pretty competitively. I know there is a balance between balancing things for top tier play, and everyone else. But all tankers arguments seem to ignore top tier squad support around them. Ive yet to have a tanker explain to me what his squad is doing when packed AV naders get in range?

Cause seems to me that takes pretty low level skills to let occur. It doesnt take rocket science to have some precise scanning around a tank, watching for red dots and then jumping on them with ARs that have kill times of half a second...

Seriously suggests the OP to go play AV for a bit.

Ok, dedicated tanker but played with my infantry alt account for the first time in months...

And yes, tanks in ambush is stupid. So CCP, remove HAVs from ambush and un-nerf them for those of us who play skirmish.

i'll bring my tank where i want it like infantry will bring their dvoulves when they want it. so no.

Too bad, I'm still going to be pushing my pro-skirmish-tank agenda.

Advanced suit, dropsuit command 5, profile dampening 3, dampener module, and guess what? You have to react to the first 2 grenades thrown, rather than kill the guy before he can throw one.

Ok, dedicated tanker but played with my infantry alt account for the first time in months...

And yes, tanks in ambush is stupid. So CCP, remove HAVs from ambush and un-nerf them for those of us who play skirmish.

Why because him being off radar suddenly makes it impossible for a good supporting squad to spot him with their own eyes? Plus, counter him by using the percision enhancing skills/modules. Though Im not sure, it may be possible to become invisible on radar compared to even the best scanning, havent ran the numbers.