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Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:04:00 - [1] - Quote When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:27:00 - [2] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. Yeah, and while they're at it, would you like them to remove lasers, heavies, logistics, snipers, mass drivers, shotguns, and anything else that doesn't pertain to a front-loaded shield tanking assault with an AR? Hell, why not just sell the IP to Activision, they could do a good job getting some life out it, at least till Dust 539.... Careful, they might take you seriously. Because they sure as hell don't care about those that want to use tanks.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:27:00 - [3] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: ill translate op for you all. i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving. Nice grammar
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:29:00 - [4] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol Did you lose your tank by chance Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage. HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field. I lost a tank to a terrain glitch before. I thought they fixed that problem. Apparently not. When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:14:00 - [5] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Still waiting for an answer, OP... So I can't attempt to have a life, I must stand by to answer you? Because of that, I won't bother replying to you.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:16:00 - [6] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol Did you lose your tank by chance Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage. HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field. I lost a tank to a terrain glitch before. I thought they fixed that problem. Apparently not. When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem. Haha did you drive off a cliff? a glitch is a glitch, file a report and move on. Thats what we're here for. A properly fit Madrugar would feel the tickle, turn round and welp whoever did it. Of course if your out in the open with no support then its your own damn fault and deserve to get you rivets handed to you No, parked under a structure that fit my tank Goldilocks style, went to the map, saw something crazy was going on, and realized that I had fallen through the map and was about to die due to out of bounds in 15 seconds.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:16:00 - [7] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Cosgar wrote: Still waiting for an answer, OP... Trying to wriggle away from an answer just cause it wasn't one you liked? I didn't answer him, and I'm not going to due to his childish impatience.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote Wicked Glory wrote: How do you die in a tank? lmfao Is that really a serious question?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:24:00 - [9] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: boba's fetta wrote: ill translate op for you all. i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving. Nice grammar coming from the guy called spkr4thedead... I chose that because I didn't know if a different variation would fit. Why are you using a strawman anyway, trying to pick at my name?
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:31:00 - [10] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: So I am probably one of those most vocal about how tanks are NOT UP and AV is NOT OP. So I decided to try tanks for the first time. Got a Madgruder with some tier 1 or 2 armor plates and reps. Like 1K shields, 8K armor. Right now I SUCK at aiming. Up close the tank has some strange properties where i cant hit stuff that I feel like I can, Im not even sure where my bullets are going. That being said, even though I am terrible in my tank and have only just started using it, and can barely drive or aim, I still killed like 5 or so folks before going down (i was super agressive, working by myself) and took like a whole team chasing me down and easily caused us to cap 2 NULL cannons both times. The tank costs me like 300-400K. And I have no idea what im doing. This seems 100% fair to me. I suck at it right now, and I was able to pay 300-400k to just pretty much buy a 5.0 K/D and two NULL captures for my team. If anything my ****** perfomance tells just how powerful tanks are. I was terrible, and I still changed the battle completely. Using that much armor without the best repper and hardeners is a big mistake.

Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:40:00 - [11] - Quote Ninjanomyx wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: Right, cause balancing a game for the top .1% of the player base is the way to make the game a success. Sorry, but your pub stomping isnt the point of this game. But keep padding those stats to make yourself feel good. As someone who has been gaming for longer than most of you have been born I have seen what the input of Randoms has done to Competitive Play. DCUO went from OK to Epc Fail b/c it shared your ideology. FPS/TPS (3PS) have done nothing but decrease in Quality over time (IE Socom 4 & MGO2). Why is Balancing so much better in Fighters??? B/C Seth Killian faps to watching Justin Wong & Daigo under a Microscope??? B/C DUSTloop Forums have people w/ more braincells than the CoDCloners who hop on here??? If I cared about Stat Padding I wouldn't run amok in a Free BPO Dropsuit still going Posotive in PUBS (w/ 90% of 10.3KK SP in Tanks) for teh LULZ. If anything the Cannon Fodder Blues & Corpmates soaking in FREE WP for OBs would be considered "Stat Padders"....... But no, b/c I still maintain a Positive KdR & ISK Efficiency while messing around, getting TKed by Scrubs, watching my RDV Driver soak up 250KK ISK (Actual ISK lost to Drunk Pilots), & LOLing as it all happens I am labeled as a Stat Padding .1%er. Compliment Accepted, get good brah :P I know exactly what you mean from SOCOM I and II through to SOCOM 4.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 17:43:00 - [12] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Yeah im not sure how else to take a .1% comment other than a compliment. Imperfects are good, I dont know your stats in particular, but I do assume you are probably better than me. Awesome for you. I love the assumption of my skills by you guys though, classy, and im sure very well informed and based on tons of facts. Look, I play tons of FPS, I play them pretty competitively. I know there is a balance between balancing things for top tier play, and everyone else. But all tankers arguments seem to ignore top tier squad support around them. Ive yet to have a tanker explain to me what his squad is doing when packed AV naders get in range? Cause seems to me that takes pretty low level skills to let occur. It doesnt take rocket science to have some precise scanning around a tank, watching for red dots and then jumping on them with ARs that have kill times of half a second... Advanced suit, dropsuit command 5, profile dampening 3, dampener module, and guess what? You have to react to the first 2 grenades thrown, rather than kill the guy before he can throw one.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.23 20:15:00 - [13] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Seriously suggests the OP to go play AV for a bit. LOL
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:26:00 - [14] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Ok, dedicated tanker but played with my infantry alt account for the first time in months... And yes, tanks in ambush is stupid. So CCP, remove HAVs from ambush and un-nerf them for those of us who play skirmish. Where in this thread did I put tank and ambush in the same sentence? You're already off topic.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 56	Posted - 2013.04.24 18:36:00 - [15] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Bones McGavins wrote: Yeah im not sure how else to take a .1% comment other than a compliment. Imperfects are good, I dont know your stats in particular, but I do assume you are probably better than me. Awesome for you. I love the assumption of my skills by you guys though, classy, and im sure very well informed and based on tons of facts. Look, I play tons of FPS, I play them pretty competitively. I know there is a balance between balancing things for top tier play, and everyone else. But all tankers arguments seem to ignore top tier squad support around them. Ive yet to have a tanker explain to me what his squad is doing when packed AV naders get in range? Cause seems to me that takes pretty low level skills to let occur. It doesnt take rocket science to have some precise scanning around a tank, watching for red dots and then jumping on them with ARs that have kill times of half a second... Advanced suit, dropsuit command 5, profile dampening 3, dampener module, and guess what? You have to react to the first 2 grenades thrown, rather than kill the guy before he can throw one. Why because him being off radar suddenly makes it impossible for a good supporting squad to spot him with their own eyes? Plus, counter him by using the percision enhancing skills/modules. Though Im not sure, it may be possible to become invisible on radar compared to even the best scanning, havent ran the numbers. Those of us that spec heavy don't bother with those skills, because a few of us still maintain the slightest sliver of hope that the heavy class won't become completely useless. Besides, I'd rather use modules that help keep my tank alive.