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Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:04:00 - [1] - Quote When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that.
KingBabar Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 527	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:18:00 - [2] - Quote Not again Perhaps we should have a seperate forums section for tank qq. With a decently specced tank with infantry support is still the undisputed king of the battlefield!
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 58	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:19:00 - [3] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. Yeah, and while they're at it, would you like them to remove lasers, heavies, logistics, snipers, mass drivers, shotguns, and anything else that doesn't pertain to a front-loaded shield tanking assault with an AR? Hell, why not just sell the IP to Activision, they could do a good job getting some life out it, at least till Dust 539....
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 22	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:24:00 - [4] - Quote ill translate op for you all. i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving.
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 376	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:25:00 - [5] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol Did you lose your tank by chance Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage. HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:27:00 - [6] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. Yeah, and while they're at it, would you like them to remove lasers, heavies, logistics, snipers, mass drivers, shotguns, and anything else that doesn't pertain to a front-loaded shield tanking assault with an AR? Hell, why not just sell the IP to Activision, they could do a good job getting some life out it, at least till Dust 539.... Careful, they might take you seriously. Because they sure as hell don't care about those that want to use tanks.
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:27:00 - [7] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: ill translate op for you all. i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving. Nice grammar
Spkr4theDead Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 54	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:29:00 - [8] - Quote ChromeBreaker wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol Did you lose your tank by chance Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage. HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field. I lost a tank to a terrain glitch before. I thought they fixed that problem. Apparently not. When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:31:00 - [9] - Quote Anyone notice that this crap alternates everyday? Wahhh! tanks are OP even though I have 0 SP into AV one day and then Bawwww! I have 1,000,000 SP into HAV and my tank isn't a rolling deathmobile. It's like penguins on the north pole wishing they lived in the south pole and the ones in the south wishing they lived in the north.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:33:00 - [10] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cosgar wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. Yeah, and while they're at it, would you like them to remove lasers, heavies, logistics, snipers, mass drivers, shotguns, and anything else that doesn't pertain to a front-loaded shield tanking assault with an AR? Hell, why not just sell the IP to Activision, they could do a good job getting some life out it, at least till Dust 539.... Careful, they might take you seriously. Because they sure as hell don't care about those that want to use tanks. Just out of curiosity, how much SP do you actually have invested into HAV? Are your core passives maxed? Were you in a squad? I can already assume the answer, but go ahead, surprise me.

Calgoth Reborn United Front LLC 247	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:35:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. Lol they kill you so there scrubs hmm think your the scrub there fail boy honestly you can't really be as dumb as you sound or can you. In general I have found most tank driver's to not be very good there are a few that are tough to crack and need team effort to take down I run both proto swarm's and proto forge just so you know. Also there are time's that the proto AV guy does 90% of the work and someone running a militia swarm will get the kill so you might think you died from militia AV when in reality a proto did all the work. This happened to me earlier tonight killed one tank took out most of a second one then a militia swarm got the kill after he had a sliver of armor left. What I am trying to say if you haven't figured it out by now is get good scrub and stop complaining about the same thing all the time
ChromeBreaker SVER True Blood Unclaimed. 377	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:40:00 - [12] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: ChromeBreaker wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. I love that idiot tank drivers are now a reason to remove tanks lol Did you lose your tank by chance Ive gone against tanks that will just retreat to my proto forge, and look at swarms as a massage. HTFU, tanks add a different dynamic to a game and another layer of tactics and gameplay. I run militia tanks for a laugh and with some smarts and luck can make a killing... even with AV on the field. I lost a tank to a terrain glitch before. I thought they fixed that problem. Apparently not. When a militia forge gun is enough to keep my Madrugar retreating like a crying little girl, then there's a problem. Haha did you drive off a cliff? a glitch is a glitch, file a report and move on. Thats what we're here for. A properly fit Madrugar would feel the tickle, turn round and welp whoever did it. Of course if your out in the open with no support then its your own damn fault and deserve to get you rivets handed to you
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 610	Posted - 2013.04.22 08:46:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Just out of curiosity, how much SP do you actually have invested into HAV? Are your core passives maxed? Were you in a squad? I can already assume the answer, but go ahead, surprise me. Got about 7 million SP invested, and like all tankers with half a brain I switched from pure blaster tank to railgun. Infantry support doesn't help much when everyone pack AV grenades they can easily throw in between shooting faces.
Cosgar The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 60	Posted - 2013.04.22 09:25:00 - [14] - Quote Still waiting for an answer, OP...
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 610	Posted - 2013.04.22 09:27:00 - [15] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Still waiting for an answer, OP... Trying to wriggle away from an answer just cause it wasn't one you liked?
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 439	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:04:00 - [16] - Quote To anyone convinced tanking is broken look at all the 10-20+ tanker KDR's. Understand you don't grasp proper tanking (just like I don't I'm ******* terrible in them) and move along to another role. Leave the tanks for the people who are good with them, or people who put in the time to learn how to be good with them. It sounds like you are neither, stop the QQ and put away the tank, or learn how to properly tank. I hear Zitro is working on a book
Harkon Vysarii Dead Six Initiative 166	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:06:00 - [17] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: When scrubs with no skills in AV weapons destroy a mid-range Madrugar so easily? I won't even get into advanced swarm launchers, because then it's no contest. CCP, just listen to the assault fanbois and remove them from Dust. The amount of SP and ISK required for mid-range standard tanks just isn't worth it. Hell, some scrub using a Sagaris got destroy by a missile installation. Tanks aren't worth the investment. Remove them already. We all know your fanbase is screaming for that. eugh this is silly. Tanks are kinda flimsy yeah, tanks can be destroyed when A LOT of AV is thrown thier way, tanks can be destroyed when the pilot is STUPID, you dont have to spec into AV to destroy vehicles..... Also I dont think you quite understand how much terror tanks inspire in infantry..... no one wants to be caught in the open in front of a tank....either play your tanks smarter or re spec on May 6th if you dont want to adapt a play style. If you are complaining because you are taking down tanks too easily then.......eugh, just eugh.....
Wicked Glory Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 145	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:08:00 - [18] - Quote How do you die in a tank? lmfao
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 610	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:13:00 - [19] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: Understand you don't grasp proper tanking (just like I don't I'm ******* terrible in them) and move along to another role. Leave the tanks for the people who are good with them, or put in the time to learn how to be good with them. It sounds like you are neither. Must be that. Someone who ran positive ISK flow driving blaster gunnlogi and sagaris the first couple months must be bad. And saying that railguns are what anyone with half a brain has switched to must mean I'm bad, not that I easily two-three shot kill anything blaster that tries to run the field. You are so out of the loop when it comes to contemporary tanking that you don't even grasp the basics of the issues we face. You are worse than bad.
boba's fetta Thukker Tribe Holdings Inc. Gathering Of Nomadic Explorers 22	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:22:00 - [20] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: boba's fetta wrote: ill translate op for you all. i dropped a tank into a match i really shouldnt off then i drove off a cliff into a group of enemyies who saw me coming and grabbed there av gear. take tanks out because im bad at driving. Nice grammar coming from the guy called spkr4thedead...

The Robot Devil BetaMax. CRONOS. 108	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:27:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Anyone notice that this crap alternates everyday? Wahhh! tanks are OP even though I have 0 SP into AV one day and then Bawwww! I have 1,000,000 SP into HAV and my tank isn't a rolling deathmobile. It's like penguins on the north pole wishing they lived in the south pole and the ones in the south wishing they lived in the north. I have been reading the buff/nerf thread for a year now. At the beginning everything is fine and when the best players start wearing better gear than not so good players the QQ starts. First is that the AR needs buffed because we can't kill from 500 m in one shot. Then they need a nerf because people skill into them and they do kill at 500 m in one shot. Then tanks are UP because the don't kill fast enough and they get a buff. Now it's time for AV, they don't work or they work too well, depends on what side of the armor you are on. Then week two rolls around and it moves from AR, tanks and AV to hit detection and modules that don't work or are unfair. Now well into week three the AR is not killing proto gear in two shots so they need a buff to AR and nerf the suits. Let's not forget that this game sucks like CCP, this game will fail and I am never going to do play again. Finally after a month we will get to MD and LR need balancing because they do their job too good and whatever kind of gripe you want to mix in. The redline snipers should be banned, afk cheaters and p2w items. There you go now I have written the first months QQ threads and we can move on. Just for fun. We are still in the beta!
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 264	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:43:00 - [22] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Cosgar wrote: Just out of curiosity, how much SP do you actually have invested into HAV? Are your core passives maxed? Were you in a squad? I can already assume the answer, but go ahead, surprise me. Got about 7 million SP invested, and like all tankers with half a brain I switched from pure blaster tank to railgun. Infantry support doesn't help much when everyone pack AV grenades they can easily throw in between shooting faces. I have about 9mil into tanks and other vehicles like loldropships I have around 30 HAV fits, spider tanking, blasters/rails all diff for diff reasons including AUR and the armored pack from PSN I am finding myself not using blasters as much as i could be doing and instead im using rails a bit more which is prob due to rail tanks in general and its a hard counter against blasters and also AV If i get close to infantry they may spam seeking packed AV nades from cover so i dont hang around and waiting for infantry to take them out by the time they are dead they could have spammed 6+ packed at me and wasted the tank so ther is no point drive by is the best bet If i use railguns i can take on enemy tanks and infantry/AV, AV being those swarms on the mountain that you will never hit with a blaster, same can be said with the FG Rails give you that room and freedom to be able to cover the majority of threats without having to risk yourself But also the whole HAV vs AV is out of balance Back a few builds when HAVs were hard to kill AV was a specialization like vehicles, and it took a team of AV ppl to kill a HAV not 1 guy, in the end vehicles got nerfed, AV buffed Now its well out of balance, while that HAV maybe hard to kill in previous builds in a pub match it didnt matter, because in a CB an organized team with mics with ppl specialized into AV would be able to take it down We have the reverse, HAVs are easy to kill in pub matches, solo or team pick your poision and to boot AV has had massive buffs since then and can be easily skilled next to assault. Problem is in CB tanks get whacked even easier You can be in squad with your tank and stick with infantry, problem is SL and FG on a hill can still hit you so you need about 3 snipers to get rid of them which wont help take the objective HAV got hit with the nerf bat way too much, it didnt matter if it was OP in pub matches because in CB your against an organized team with mics and specilizations which know what they are doing, why should some random pubbie be able to solo a tank? I see both sides of the coin as a HAV pilot and AV guy, ive used all tanks and solo'd the majority of tanks, surya and sagaris require 2 ppl it seems but even 1 person can make em hide behind cover for the match Uprising is looking to change vehicles, but it has another AV weapon and we get a glass cannon, either way im skilling back into tanks but i wouldnt be suprised if alot of tankers decide to get out
Deadeyes Anterie Ill Omens EoN. 439	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:46:00 - [23] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Someone who ran positive ISK flow driving blaster gunnlogi and sagaris the first couple months must be bad. And saying that railguns are what anyone with half a brain has switched to must mean I'm bad, not that I easily two-three shot kill anything blaster that tries to run the field. You are so out of the loop when it comes to contemporary tanking that you don't even grasp the basics of the issues we face. You are worse than bad. So you are making money tanking 24/7, sounds like there was no problem in the first place. I'm so good at tanking that I rarely ever get blown up, but I'm gonna start a thread talking about how tanking is pointless because you get blown up all the time. Seems reasonable.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 610	Posted - 2013.04.22 10:59:00 - [24] - Quote Deadeyes Anterie wrote: So you are making money tanking 24/7, sounds like there was no problem in the first place. You're so good at tanking that you rarely ever get blown up, but you start a thread talking about how tanking is pointless because you get blown up all the time. Seems reasonable. Not me starting the thread; first mistake. Assuming staying afloat in terms of ISK can be done by anyone but the best tankers; second mistake. Not realizing that as soon as people learned to carry AV grenades and put a few SP into forge gun fits the only viable tactic is to do railgun sniping which has the additional negative effect of forcing _all_ tankers to go railgun sniper; third mistake.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. 477	Posted - 2013.04.22 11:25:00 - [25] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: Cosgar wrote: Just out of curiosity, how much SP do you actually have invested into HAV? Are your core passives maxed? Were you in a squad? I can already assume the answer, but go ahead, surprise me. Got about 7 million SP invested, and like all tankers with half a brain I switched from pure blaster tank to railgun. Infantry support doesn't help much when everyone pack AV grenades they can easily throw in between shooting faces. Yes, yes since all heavies run at 25 M per second or whatever the fastest tanks can move at
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 610	Posted - 2013.04.22 11:33:00 - [26] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Yes, yes since all heavies run at 25 M per second or whatever the fastest tanks can move at But apples give off less radiation than bananas.
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 88	Posted - 2013.04.22 14:07:00 - [27] - Quote So I am probably one of those most vocal about how tanks are NOT UP and AV is NOT OP. So I decided to try tanks for the first time. Got a Madgruder with some tier 1 or 2 armor plates and reps. Like 1K shields, 8K armor. Right now I SUCK at aiming. Up close the tank has some strange properties where i cant hit stuff that I feel like I can, Im not even sure where my bullets are going. That being said, even though I am terrible in my tank and have only just started using it, and can barely drive or aim, I still killed like 5 or so folks before going down (i was super agressive, working by myself) and took like a whole team chasing me down and easily caused us to cap 2 NULL cannons both times. The tank costs me like 300-400K. And I have no idea what im doing. This seems 100% fair to me. I suck at it right now, and I was able to pay 300-400k to just pretty much buy a 5.0 K/D and two NULL captures for my team. If anything my ****** perfomance tells just how powerful tanks are. I was terrible, and I still changed the battle completely.
ReGnUM Public Relations Imperfects Public Relations 163	Posted - 2013.04.22 14:40:00 - [28] - Quote was he always like this on the Mag Forums CCP NERF Da TANK NOW!
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 31	Posted - 2013.04.22 14:47:00 - [29] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: So I am probably one of those most vocal about how tanks are NOT UP and AV is NOT OP. So I decided to try tanks for the first time. Got a Madgruder with some tier 1 or 2 armor plates and reps. Like 1K shields, 8K armor. Right now I SUCK at aiming. Up close the tank has some strange properties where i cant hit stuff that I feel like I can, Im not even sure where my bullets are going. That being said, even though I am terrible in my tank and have only just started using it, and can barely drive or aim, I still killed like 5 or so folks before going down (i was super agressive, working by myself) and took like a whole team chasing me down and easily caused us to cap 2 NULL cannons both times. The tank costs me like 300-400K. And I have no idea what im doing. This seems 100% fair to me. I suck at it right now, and I was able to pay 300-400k to just pretty much buy a 5.0 K/D and two NULL captures for my team. If anything my ****** perfomance tells just how powerful tanks are. I was terrible, and I still changed the battle completely. A Scrub going against Trash is a nonfactor in determining Balance. Welcome to PUB 514, where everyone has a voice in the failure of this game :P
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 89	Posted - 2013.04.22 14:50:00 - [30] - Quote Right, cause balancing a game for the top .1% of the player base is the way to make the game a success. Sorry, but your pub stomping isnt the point of this game. But keep padding those stats to make yourself feel good.



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