All this talk about how it should take teamwork to use a tank yet atm it takes no teamwork to take out a tank with AV since AV got buff after buff and vehicles got nerf after nerf so you can solo vehicles with ease

Your post was fine until this appeared, And the exageration was just too strong.

Im running advanced swarms (Level 3 Swarm Launcher Skill) and to take a Gunlogi your going to need more than one (Madrugars i can solo). Or a lucky position were you can get above the tank an rain Packed AV nades on it. Both situations in Ambush maps arent very frequent.

If you play Skirmish 24/7 then ofcoarse your going to get the tank if its not well equiped or does something stupid, in ambush with the bad spawns its one sided.

'Its obvious to anyone who plays Dust 514 that its a shooter cut from a different mold than any you often see in the genre. Take snipers for instance, historically a one shot kill weapon in most games, in Dust, snipers are more of a 'wounding' weapon until leveled up considerably. Even then, the mechanics like scope sway and small clip size punish poor marksmen who seek out the sniper role as a means of getting easy kills with little risk. Racking up cheap kills just isnt going to happen.

For this reason, the tank is puzzling. The Dust 514 HAV is easily the most dominant vehicle we have seen in the FPS landscape, it crushes new players and non-AV savvy veterans alike. AV fits almost have to be dedicated to their destruction or they can control an entire battlefield. Some of the fault lies on past shooters where players were trained that a specific amount of RPGs or mines would destroy or cripple a tank. This is anything but true in Dust where every tank experience is unique and each must first be identified, sized up and then focused on. We are curious why the decision was made to require team coordination to destroy a tank, but not to operate one.'

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'Its obvious to anyone who plays Dust 514 that its a shooter cut from a different mold than any you often see in the genre. Take snipers for instance, historically a one shot kill weapon in most games, in Dust, snipers are more of a 'wounding' weapon until leveled up considerably. Even then, the mechanics like scope sway and small clip size punish poor marksmen who seek out the sniper role as a means of getting easy kills with little risk. Racking up cheap kills just isnt going to happen.

For this reason, the tank is puzzling. The Dust 514 HAV is easily the most dominant vehicle we have seen in the FPS landscape, it crushes new players and non-AV savvy veterans alike. AV fits almost have to be dedicated to their destruction or they can control an entire battlefield. Some of the fault lies on past shooters where players were trained that a specific amount of RPGs or mines would destroy or cripple a tank. This is anything but true in Dust where every tank experience is unique and each must first be identified, sized up and then focused on. We are curious why the decision was made to require team coordination to destroy a tank, but not to operate one.'

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tanker butthurt strong this morning. +1 to this and especially crippling.

lool another moron who wants that their militia swarm launcher should insta pop a sagaris. Just GTFO. i first off have to spend millions of SP and then i spend 2.5 million for my sagaris just to see that some blueberry uses the main gun on my tank? Hell no.

I was torn but after seeing poor logic like this, I support it. instapop? did we read the same thing? they didnt mention anything about nerfing the piece talks about separating the driver and gunner. Isnt this the same thing dropship pilots have to do?

Dropship is to LAV.......... This Post is irrelevant. Wait 'till Gunships, Jets & Mechs hit & you will realize how utterly ignorant you sound today.

lool another moron who wants that their militia swarm launcher should insta pop a sagaris. Just GTFO. And of course you need to specialise into AV to be efficent at it. And you havent seen the Ishukone assault forgegun on a proto heavy with tons of damage mods on it. That thing can deal 2000HP+ damage and thats allready with all the resistance added to it. Its more the other way around:
a dedicated heavy forgegunner is capable to keep multiple tanks at bay. Whoever wrote that stupid article is a moron and probably never tried to use a tank vs decent infantry. Its extreme hard to keep a tank alive when facing decent players.Another thing is tanks are OB magnets. When people see a sagaris/surya on the field they want to see it dead And lol at seperating the main turret from the dirver. Dude seriously? The guy who calls in the vehicle pays for it and actually had to skill into the whole loadout. In order to gain access to the large turrets you need to spec small turrets up to lvl 4 and then you are allowed to get the main gun. Oh yeah and dont forget the "other vehicles" which have at the moment the function of disposable taxis cause their small turrets are garbage. So you want to tell me that i first off have to spend millions of SP and then i spend 2.5 million for my sagaris just to see that some blueberry uses the main gun on my tank? Hell no.

I greatly agree with most of the blog however I do think that it might be relatively too late to change things now that everyone use to how the tanks run. If for example ccp had cut out the second small turret and left the 3 positions such as main turret, driver, and small turret, the tank would in my opinion would be even more effective than it already is and tank crews would be highly sought after commodities in new eden. For example the turrets concentrate on killing things and the drive focuses on keeping the tank alive and out of harms way. That i think is balanced and might even push tanks more firmly into their respective role as game changers but with more teamwork as far as running it properly. Also, damaging a tank or critically wounding it i think is all part of the strategy of taking it out, however i disagree with this point considering that in new eden there exists modules and equipment designed specifically for disabling ships and vehicles which will no doubt be introduced in the coming months.

Just my opinion, good thread though.

The assault dropship will probs be the direct counter against tanks. And do you guys know why? Cause a tank is not capable to shot anything thats flying stright above it. And sure crippling effect why dont we add that to dropsuits aswell? If i shot your right hand you are unable to use any kind of weapon at all. Makes perfect sense.... NOT!

Have you even been in the drivers seat of a tank? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Nerfing tanks to oblivion will not make them mire tactical. It'll just make them useless.

non-AV savvy veterans

Your post was fine until this appeared, And the exageration was just too strong.

Im running advanced swarms (Level 3 Swarm Launcher Skill) and to take a Gunlogi your going to need more than one (Madrugars i can solo). Or a lucky position were you can get above the tank an rain Packed AV nades on it. Both situations in Ambush maps arent very frequent.

If you play Skirmish 24/7 then ofcoarse your going to get the tank if its not well equiped or does something stupid, in ambush with the bad spawns its one sided.

3. Tanks like all vehicle assets should have locks that the operator can control preventing anyone from entering the driver seat or the vehicle GÇô yes it is needed.

The people who say tankers are butthurt are the people who are butthurt because of tankers.