doubt it. most organized groups counter tanks just fine. they dont OHK them but they dont run from them.

he's right tho. M1 Abrams has a 4man crew. kind of odd a dropship pilot cant fire but a tank driver can.

In the current state, Tanks (nor dropships for that matter) have the tanking ability to warrant splitting up the driver and gunner. The reason why pilots are salivating at the mouth over these Assault Dropships is because they'll finally have control over their own destiny. They would need a massive defensive boost to compensate.

The reason why tanks dominate is because <.01% of Dust players have any AV skills and even fewer have Prototype level AV gear. They dominate pub matches, just like Heavies did in the early part of this build. Anyone coordinated squad with a dedicated AV specialist is going to absolutely wreck a lone tanker. No contest. Tanks require teamwork in their own right. They need spotters and communication to function properly and have efficient Infantry squad mates to eliminate HVT that pose a threat to the tank.

A tanker going alone is going to get wrecked by any squad effort. People put too much weight on the scores Tankers rack up going against Team Militia. It's a failure of matchmaking at that point, not the fault of the tank.

I agree with Point 3 and 4 of your blog, though. The Squad Lock and the Recover Asset function would be greatly appreciated across all vehicles. Another change is to increase or removal altogether the auto self-destruct function that vehicles possess after leaving the vehicle for a set amount of time. To make it less intensive, make it so Militia vehicles still have this functionality, but anything higher grade should NOT self-destruct.


"All this talk about how it should take teamwork to use a tank yet atm it takes no teamwork to take out a tank with AV since AV got buff after buff and vehicles got nerf after nerf so you can solo vehicles with ease"

While we disagree about the amount of teamwork it takes to destroy a tank, AV have received little to no changes in a long time. The Swarm Launcher is the only thing that has received significant changes over the past few builds, with it's mechanics changing greatly trying to balance it between its ability to hit tanks and dropships. Personally, I think the Swarm should be removed in favor of the Plasma Cannon and create a "Stinger" AV weapon that can properly balanced against aerial vehicles.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Forge Gun has NOT been touched since the World of Tanks Build a while back, where it received a huge nerf to its range (Going from Infinite to <200), which proved it to be utterly useless as an AV weapon and was buffed to back to have its current range. Outside of that, I am almost certain that the Forge Gun has received no changes since then.

I love tank drivers complaining about AV. You are just bad at the game if you lose 1on1 to AV. All these complaints about packed AV.

WHY ARE YOU LETTING ME GET NEXT TO YOU WITH PACKED AV!?

Have some situational awareness. Use the tools given to you. You have scanners. Maybe you need to sacrifice some DPS or armor to equip one, but it will let you know when pesky AV is getting near you.

Tank drivers just want to be able to park and be invincible.

A tank that is bad, and just sits in one spot can be snuck up on and killed by 1 talented AV player.

A tank that is decent, but still just sits in one spot will kill 1 talented AV player, but will lose to a coordinated attack.

A tank that is good and actually moves is very difficult to kill even with a coordinated effort. Ranged AV dont do enough DPS to take them out before they get behind cover, and closer AV is hard to get in range for since they move a lot.

A tank that is good and has squad support is REALLY REALLY hard to kill even with a dedicated squad. AV weapons leave you exposed to sniper fire and AR/Lazer file. A shotgun scout near the tank will destroy any packed AV users who try to get close to throw it.

The problem with tank balance is that tankers lone wolf it and then complain AV is too strong. But then with even minimal squad support, AV is too weak. Being able to disable the tank from retreating would help a long way to balance this. AV doesnt need a buff. Hell, you can nerf close range AV but give ability to stop tanks from retreating and wed be fine.

TLDR: Long range AV is **** right now, close AV is OP, but with a good squad supporting a tank close AV has a hard time getting anything done. Thus, lone wolf tanks get destroyed by close AV, but squad supported tanks feel OP.

Have you even been in the drivers seat of a tank? You have no idea what you are talking about.

Nerfing tanks to oblivion will not make them mire tactical. It'll just make them useless.

Do not make a driver position. I routinely destroy tanks when their pilot makes a mistake and clips an object of some sort.

Don't listen to dark cloud though, he is just a whiner for the other side of the coin. Look at him complain about someone spending 2 million SP into an AV weapon and doing well with it.

here we go with the whining. no nerfs were mentioned, not a single one. only separating the driver and main gun. if the tank is useless its only because the operator is.

I love tank drivers complaining about AV. You are just bad at the game if you lose 1on1 to AV. All these complaints about packed AV.

WHY ARE YOU LETTING ME GET NEXT TO YOU WITH PACKED AV!?

Have some situational awareness. Use the tools given to you. You have scanners. Maybe you need to sacrifice some DPS or armor to equip one, but it will let you know when pesky AV is getting near you.

Tank drivers just want to be able to park and be invincible.

A tank that is bad, and just sits in one spot can be snuck up on and killed by 1 talented AV player.

A tank that is decent, but still just sits in one spot will kill 1 talented AV player, but will lose to a coordinated attack.

A tank that is good and actually moves is very difficult to kill even with a coordinated effort. Ranged AV dont do enough DPS to take them out before they get behind cover, and closer AV is hard to get in range for since they move a lot.

A tank that is good and has squad support is REALLY REALLY hard to kill even with a dedicated squad. AV weapons leave you exposed to sniper fire and AR/Lazer file. A shotgun scout near the tank will destroy any packed AV users who try to get close to throw it.

The problem with tank balance is that tankers lone wolf it and then complain AV is too strong. But then with even minimal squad support, AV is too weak. Being able to disable the tank from retreating would help a long way to balance this. AV doesnt need a buff. Hell, you can nerf close range AV but give ability to stop tanks from retreating and wed be fine.

TLDR: Long range AV is **** right now, close AV is OP, but with a good squad supporting a tank close AV has a hard time getting anything done. Thus, lone wolf tanks get destroyed by close AV, but squad supported tanks feel OP.

+1 great suggestion. Especially the limited ammo.

Interesting to see all the tears about this. Shows who has the tanks so THEY can dominate versus the tank itself dominating.The funniest part? Their problem isnt because the tank wouldn't get kills...

But because THEY wouldn't.

This suggestion exposes the "me first" nature of most shooters. Shows the difference between dropship pilots and tanks as well.

Yall are only mad at about 5% of the tanker population. Let's face it: most tanks are poorly piloted and die quickly. Even if drivers and gunners were seperate, certain tank crews would be even more unstoppable. Some guys can navigate a tank through urban mine infested terrain at top speed. Others can railgun snipe 8 guys in 8 seconds at point blank. Others provide situational awareness that enables a sica to solo a surya. If these roles were seperated, tank crews would become nothing short of legendary. Seperate roles if u want, but know that you are only spelling out your own doom bc the tankers make the tank, not the other way around.

Who has the turret skills? does the driver need them so he can fit it? what about who buys the turret? does the driver and gunner need the same skills at the same lvl? plus we dont have a locking mechanism so johnny bluedot can jump in and like a ****** spam the turret at the MCC for the next 30min

It wont work, currently the driver of the tank has to dump all his SP into it so it can basically survive to begin with, the gunner put nothing towards the vehicle at all and plus we as vehicle drivers cannot control who gets in the tank to begin with

Everyone cries about wanting it to take teamwork to use a tank but what using teamwork to destroy a tank when it currently takes 1 AV guy to put the fear of god into him let alone whack him since hes a moving WP pinata, oh no cant say that ppl like to destroy tanks solo with as little SP put into AV as possible

Such a poorly written article coming from someone who has never used a HAV

Should be like dropships? what useless and free WP for anyone who looks at it funny? dropships dont take teamwork and the gunners are useless because the turrets are useless and to kill ppl you gotta be low and nice and still so that FG can swat you out of the sky

1. Tank Drivers have access to no weaponry. While the tank driver should be able to switch to a 'gun seat' the vehicle should lose its movement abilities when they do. Each weapon on a tank should require a separate operator. - So then what happens to the skills? i need to lvl up skills in turrets to put them on, do i still have to lvl up the skills so someone else can use it? if so why im the driver not the gunner? also if you want a 4man tank, 3 gunners and 1 driver then lets see a big increase in HAV resistances and hp since that solo AV guy can still keep you away or destroy you altogther

2. A disabled mechanic where critically injured tanks can no longer move. Its odd to see tanks within an inch of destruction speeding along like they are brand new. - So that means each part of the tank needs a set amount of hp for itself so that you know how close you are to taking out the treads, yet again another buff to HAV hp please but also then each area would need its own lock box for hitting each area

3. Tanks like all vehicle assets should have locks that the operator can control preventing anyone from entering the driver seat or the vehicle at all. - yes it is needed

4. It would be nice to see RDVs have the ability to recover assets from the battlefield that the operators no longer require use of. - Problem is RDV are stupid and most likely will kill your vehicle or i in the tank will kill it


All this talk about how it should take teamwork to use a tank yet atm it takes no teamwork to take out a tank with AV since AV got buff after buff and vehicles got nerf after nerf so you can solo vehicles with ease

I can't believe I'm replying to this and resurrecting it, but:

Lone tanking is very risky, and while you can pull it off some of the time, you will lose many vehicles.

Solo AV'ing is risky, and while you'll pull off kills some of the time, you'll lose many vehicles that get away.F

Teamwork buffs both sides. Feature working as intendedGäó

Wrong on so many levels

I dont mind if im just a driver, i did it in MAG quite a bit regulary getting over 100 assists as the guy in a main gun got over 100kills and kept the APC safe from AV

My problem is that its too complicated right now to split driver and gunner apart for the main cannon along with other problems

Who has the turret skills? does the driver need them so he can fit it? what about who buys the turret? does the driver and gunner need the same skills at the same lvl? plus we dont have a locking mechanism so johnny bluedot can jump in and like a ****** spam the turret at the MCC for the next 30min

It wont work, currently the driver of the tank has to dump all his SP into it so it can basically survive to begin with, the gunner put nothing towards the vehicle at all and plus we as vehicle drivers cannot control who gets in the tank to begin with

Everything is on the driver to keep the tank alive while he takes care of threats to the team and the tank

Everyone cries about wanting it to take teamwork to use a tank but what using teamwork to destroy a tank when it currently takes 1 AV guy to put the fear of god into him let alone whack him since hes a moving WP pinata, oh no cant say that ppl like to destroy tanks solo with as little SP put into AV as possible

Why da fuq is the driver even exposed?

I think I've only seen your LAV at long range while I have a Swarm Launcher.

Always ruining my fun man all I wanted was some strawberry jam

'Its obvious to anyone who plays Dust 514 that its a shooter cut from a different mold than any you often see in the genre. Take snipers for instance, historically a one shot kill weapon in most games, in Dust, snipers are more of a 'wounding' weapon until leveled up considerably. Even then, the mechanics like scope sway and small clip size punish poor marksmen who seek out the sniper role as a means of getting easy kills with little risk. Racking up cheap kills just isnt going to happen.

For this reason, the tank is puzzling. The Dust 514 HAV is easily the most dominant vehicle we have seen in the FPS landscape, it crushes new players and non-AV savvy veterans alike. AV fits almost have to be dedicated to their destruction or they can control an entire battlefield. Some of the fault lies on past shooters where players were trained that a specific amount of RPGs or mines would destroy or cripple a tank. This is anything but true in Dust where every tank experience is unique and each must first be identified, sized up and then focused on. We are curious why the decision was made to require team coordination to destroy a tank, but not to operate one.'

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require team coordination to destroy a tank

Are you ****** kidding me?! Two guys with proto swarms can eat Surya with best tank in game without problems. Best plate, 3x hardeners 25% and best ARU not gone safe your tank, so wtf are you telling? Another bullsh!tblog, just die already