Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game.

Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages.

Take away keyboard and mouse. There is no need for it.

Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement?

So, there is no dislike option?

Honestly it still comes down to player skill, I had a friend on BF3 who began playing on a DS3. He was around a 1.3 K/D when he purchased an expensive KBM setup, he went up to 1.7 in the next 15K kills. I've always used a DS3 and maintain a 2.4 K/D.

Yes a keyboard and mouse CAN be more precise, IF you can control it. Oh and if it makes you feel any better I hear from current KBM users that support is terrible on dust, not even close to the precision possible on a modern PC FPS, due to a very low DPI I believe.

Basically if a KBM user is owning you it's not solely because of the keyboard and mouse.

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc.

I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented.

It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players.

So in short HTFU.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a K&M cheaper than a ps3 controller

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

Summary: A Bad player will always lose to a good Pad or KB player.

Not everyone can afford to buy AUR so should that be scraped in favour of making things more fair?.

PS is not PC

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3.

You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to.

I was just wondering in general why there isn't more of a push from console FPS gamers to require better input device that is more suited pesice movements and accuracy to FPS gameplay.

Gamepad - Inputlag, Mouse - nothing; Gamepad - Slow Sensitive, Mouse - Fast Sensitive...
I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance.
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Gamepad - Inputlag, Mouse - nothing; Gamepad - Slow Sensitive, Mouse - Fast Sensitive...
I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance.
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Its not on PC its on PS3, bringing M&K only puts other people at a disadvantage. Im in SI im sure i can handle myself when it comes to K&M players

You say that but if you played with a controller how far would you get.

I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance.

Its not on PC its on PS3, bringing M&K only puts other people at a disadvantage. Im in SI im sure i can handle myself when it comes to K&M players

Wait ...
Mouse no input lag ?
Mouse fast Sensitivity ?

If you've got the skills to handle the KBM user's then why are you here QQ about your "disadvantage"?

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

Yes it is on ps3 a console that allows for multiple input methods. If you wish to use an inferior method that's up to you. You moan that not everyone can use a K&M well the use of a pad for an fps is just as alien to me.

It won't matter soon anyway once Dust has moved to the PC.

Not everyone can play with a Controller....

This is a video game console, not a PC. In the future, all of the players on the controller will run away and will not play ... Will fight each other, because we 70.000.000, no one wants to play against players who have the advantage.

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

Its not about the price, its the fact not everyone will have M&K

no one wants to play against players who have the advantage.

15 FPS? We do the same! I connected the mouse and tried to play a couple of fights. I played as a God among mortals ...

It comes with the PS3 how could you not

What? all you have to do is plug it into the ps3 and your good to go! if you don't have a kb/m, here's both for under -ú10 if you can't afford that you should wonder why you have a ps3



Again what? as pretty much everyone has said they still prefer to use a controller to the kb/m because it's what they're used to, saying everyone will have a kb/m is pretty stupid.



it's not an advantage it's a playstyle

If you have no experience playing with a M/KB setup, you do not become super awesome by using it once...so either you played FPS on PC and on console and can work both equally well.

I on the other hand don't know where Square, triangle, X or O is on my controller because i bought a console for 1 game.

and if you cannot feel the framerate we get on the PS3 as being very very bad FPS, then it is because you either have never experienced solid 60+ fps or are a person that is insensitive to FPS drops.

If you are the insensitive to FPs drops person, its actually a good thing and works in your favor, we on the other hand have to overcompensate to the game slowing down and speeding back up witch messes up our aim.

I play on PS3 and PC. PC - Core i7, 670GTX+560GTX Ti PHysX, 16GB DDR3 1800 MHz, SSD...
I play on consoles, following the rules ... The mouse and the controller - it's my management on different platforms ... With them, I do well. Mouse is not for consoles - is cheat.
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Yeah I think they should get used to it. I believe the future holds more kb/m in console gaming. The ps4 is pc based and there is no denying the functionality of a kb/m in most gaming. I could not have played WoW on a controller.

Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3.

You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to.

Yes it is on ps3 a console that allows for multiple input methods. If you wish to use an inferior method that's up to you. You moan that not everyone can use a K&M well the use of a pad for an fps is just as alien to me.

It won't matter soon anyway once Dust has moved to the PC.

Amazing how often this topic comes up and its always the same, someone butt hurt about getting killed by an alleged KB/M user, get used to KB/M in console games consoles are moving towards being user friendly PCs that plug into the TV and *can* be used with a controller.

I have not posted this because I was killed by someone wity K&M. Dont assume.

Its not like you are a psychic and know when they are using KB/M or a controller...

You sound like all those guys that PM me on PC that i MUST be hacking, because otherwise i could not have beaten them...

The PS3 is not a PC. IF you want to play games thats compatible with K&M then move to the PC.

But I can...

Its not like you are a psychic and know when they are using KB/M or a controller...

You sound like all those guys that PM me on PC that i MUST be hacking, because otherwise i could not have beaten them...

Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.

TLDR at bottom.

TLDR: I think its a great thing to have 3 different ways to play the game, and I also think all 3 ways are open to all player, don't look at is as something impossible to set up, because its not impossible, its very possible for you to use any of the 3 ways to play the game. You just have to plan out how to set up this method of control for your own situation. If you're playing on a military base and using a shared console maybe the KB/m isnt available, but the PS move might be an alternative, don't knock it til you try it, its basically a motion sensor mouse.

Not everyone can play with a xim edge, hori turbo controller, an xbox controller on a ps3, a playstation move, a custom ds3, eagle eye, madcatz, nostromo, etc etc etc etc.


Really weak excuse.


KB/M is a cheaper combined peripheral than a brand new DS3.

Why do people like you keep bringing price into this, price is a small factor.

yeah thats what i was saying i sound like that? no i dont, im not sending you no messages and i haven't accused you of hacking.

Good one, Rei Shepard. I especially loved the part when you told us all how terribad DUST is with KBM. It almost sounded like you were fighting uphill battle here and making the game harder for yourself by using KBM! Congrats on being hardcore, man! /s

Good one, Rei Shepard. I especially loved the part when you told us all how terribad DUST is with KBM. It almost sounded like you were fighting uphill battle here and making the game harder for yourself by using KBM! Congrats on being hardcore, man! /s


Except everybody who has FPS KBM experience and tried using KBM in DUST knows it's easy mode. Why? Instant sidestepping, super-easy aiming, "turning on a dime" etc. I've had over 10 years of FPS experience on PC, tried KBM on DUST, it's laughable how easy it is to kill DS3 users. So maybe stop BSing, mkay?

And BTW you can tell that somebody is using KBM really easy after facing them, stop kidding yourself. You're at mechanical advantage against everybody who plays on a DS3 and it's visible in your movement patterns during combat and in fire proficiency. Telling people to move to game that doesn't support KBM? And mentioning Eagle Eye? You know your stuff, man. I'd bet a fiver that you use aimbots in games that do not restrict this kind of toys, because "it's all in the the game" right? Stay classy.


I don't want to be misunderstood here -- use whatever you like. Just know what you are -- a sad guy, who is so bent on winning that you don't mind ruining for others. Whatever floats your boat. Just stop the bullshit about being at disadvantage, because it's the other way around. And it's not "competitive" when 90% of enemies are at disadvantage from the get-go. You're just using a handicap mode.

And on topic: my favorite thread about KBM was the one where KBM users bitched and moaned for pages and pages that making them only fight other KBM users will "fragment the community" and destroy DUST. To quote DBA: Freaky Alien Genotype Spawns, a bunch of them.

It really comes down to that CCP had no faith in Dust other than a Eve minigame on the PS3 or any faith in the PS3 community. This issue has been around since I joined Dust over 7 months ago and hasn't gone away. Eve players always talk about adapting till they have to use the PS3 controller that should be a non issue on a PS3 game. The only ones that complain about having to use the controller are Eve players. No one that has own a PS3 longer than Dust, would ever complain about having to use the PS3 controller.

Its not the advantage , its more that the keyboard and mouse brings a shadow of a doubt , symbolizing a slap in the face to the PS3 community. For this and more reasons convinced me to never try and play another CCP game. I play Dust more for my Corp mates at the moment that make the game enjoyable.

It really comes down to that CCP had no faith in Dust other than a Eve minigame on the PS3 or any faith in the PS3 community. This issue has been around since I joined Dust over 7 months ago and hasn't gone away. Eve players always talk about adapting till they have to use the PS3 controller that should be a non issue on a PS3 game. The only ones that complain about having to use the controller are Eve players. No one that has own a PS3 longer than Dust, would ever complain about having to use the PS3 controller.

Its not the advantage , its more that the keyboard and mouse brings a shadow of a doubt , symbolizing a slap in the face to the PS3 community. For this and more reasons convinced me to never try and play another CCP game. I play Dust more for my Corp mates at the moment that make the game enjoyable.

It really comes down to that CCP had no faith in Dust other than a Eve minigame on the PS3 or any faith in the PS3 community. This issue has been around since I joined Dust over 7 months ago and hasn't gone away. Eve players always talk about adapting till they have to use the PS3 controller that should be a non issue on a PS3 game. The only ones that complain about having to use the controller are Eve players. No one that has own a PS3 longer than Dust, would ever complain about having to use the PS3 controller.

Its not the advantage , its more that the keyboard and mouse brings a shadow of a doubt , symbolizing a slap in the face to the PS3 community. For this and more reasons convinced me to never try and play another CCP game. I play Dust more for my Corp mates at the moment that make the game enjoyable.

so since you have played 10 years on pc, who are you kidding that yer using a DS3 when all top players use every single little advantage they can get their hands on?

If mouse KB is so OP that it kills people without even trying, you would be using one right now.

Tested it numerous times sidestepping/strafing is identical on KB and controller when deadzone on motion section is set to 0.

The main difference is turn speed which isnt' that much faster when controller sensitivity is set to 100(but many cant aim or maintain hipfire at 100% controller sensitivity) so you either have to settle for fast turning speed or more precise aim. Whereas a mouse simply can adjust DPI.

This however is an issue of poor controller optimization. (instead they need to improve turning speed on controllers and create a 90* and 180* fast turn option that can mimick a mouse flick. (maybe L1 and R3 combined each click is a quick 90? or maybe just set it to defualt 180 and adjust the turn speed so its on the dime?)

Addtionally seperate hipfire and ADS fire sensitivity is a must for DS3

for the life of me idk why FPS devs cant seem to figure that out when trying to program for controllers.

You do realize there various companies in business solely making mouse peripherals for consoles. There are many people myself included, that have been playing fps' before they became popular on consoles. If It's that much better, then use it. But this is simply not the case.

First off you assume im a child that has only played games on the PS3 and that's not true at all. I have been playing FPS games and other types of games since Atari when i was young. there is no excuse for not using a PS3 controller for PS3 game. We all have had to learn controllers from the NES,SNES,N64, Gensis, Xbox, Playstation, Wii, and Keyboard and Mouse while playing Doom and battlefield 1943. When i play over a friends house that owns a Xbox that I dont own, The last thing I do is scream this game sucks because I cant use my PS controller. Instead I slowly start to learn the Xbox controller, that to this day I still don't find comfortable but became pretty good at GTA 4 with it. I would never buy an Xbox on the logic that I wouldnt need to use the Xbox controller ever.

All I have seen from the forum over the months is that Eve players love to scream adapt , till they have to and that has only been the PS3 controller. That CCP ran in to fix faster than Menus, Spawning, Hit detection, or a purpose to play Dust without an Eve account.

We care because CCP told us that they were producing a MMOFPS for the PS3 exclusively and did nothing but turn Dust into a Eve minigame with terrible PS3 controls. They spent so much time trying to balance the keyboard and mouse to be equal that it turned away a lot of PS3 users with lack of improving the PS3 controller controls for the sake of keeping their Eve players at the cost of new PS3 players. Also to be honest buster you can have Dust on the PC , I dont think Dust is coming to the PS4 especially for the reason CCP will directly compete with Sony for microtransactions in Planetside 2 and lack of improvement to Dust

1. We care because CCP told us that they were producing a MMOFPS for the PS3 exclusively and did nothing but turn Dust into a Eve minigame with terrible PS3 controls. They spent so much time trying to balance the keyboard and mouse to be equal that it turned away a lot of PS3 users with lack of improving the PS3 controller controls for the sake of keeping their Eve players at the cost of new PS3 players.

2. Also to be honest buster you can have Dust on the PC , I dont think Dust is coming to the PS4 especially for the reason CCP will directly compete with Sony for microtransactions in Planetside 2 and lack of improvement to Dust.

Not everyone can afford to buy AUR so should that be scraped in favour of making things more fair?.

Hahaha!

well actually.... yeah :)

PS: I'm for KB/M. Cant do **** with a controller and typing in chats with a controller is JUST ******* **** but tbh how does it work? Can I just plug my computer keyboard/mouse into my PS3?

First off you assume im a child that has only played games on the PS3 and that's not true at all. I have been playing FPS games and other types of games since Atari when i was young. there is no excuse for not using a PS3 controller for PS3 game. We all have had to learn controllers from the NES,SNES,N64, Gensis, Xbox, Playstation, Wii, and Keyboard and Mouse while playing Doom and battlefield 1943. When i play over a friends house that owns a Xbox that I dont own, The last thing I do is scream this game sucks because I cant use my PS controller. Instead I slowly start to learn the Xbox controller, that to this day I still don't find comfortable but became pretty good at GTA 4 with it. I would never buy an Xbox on the logic that I wouldnt need to use the Xbox controller ever.

All I have seen from the forum over the months is that Eve players love to scream adapt , till they have to and that has only been the PS3 controller. That CCP ran in to fix faster than Menus, Spawning, Hit detection, or a purpose to play Dust without an Eve account.

PS4 moves closer to the PC platform, then staying a console my guess is we will be seeing more KB/M games in the future if they want a slice of the PC market.

Its not about the price, its the fact not everyone will have M&K

Sixaxis = better precision movement than Keyboard.
Mouse = better precision aim than Sixaxis.

In most modern games - but not all FPS games - on PC, using a mouse also allows you to pull near-instant 180 degree (or further) turns with the flick of a wrist.

Barring use of gaming mice with variable DPI settings, some of which (but not all) break DUST's turn speed cap and allow you to pull this same trick, there isn't a practical advantage to either controller choice that isn't balanced by a disadvantage.

Mouse is better for sniping, Sixaxis is better for CQC.

Both control schemes need a fair amount of work - in both customisability and in competent functionality.

I'm too old now, no longer play to compete so I don't need handicap. When I find time to play after days work I play to relax and have fun with my buddies. Otherwise I'd be on PC, playing Battlefield or Diablo.

And if your mouse is slow you might want to try another one or search the forums, and then stop the disinformation.

I am not going to replace a 120$ gaming mouse for another, if it has these specs on PC, if it doesnt have it on ps3 its because their support of it is crap.

5600dpi Razer Precision 3.5G Laser Sensor
1000Hz Ultrapolling / 1ms response time
200 inches per second max tracking speed

Until i get this response out of my mouse together with a smooth 60 FPS all day long, DS3 users don't need to worry about not being able to compete with these mouses.

I also think there is much to be said about controller responsiveness. This game feels like something ported from PC to a console, rather than a console game in terms of controller sensitivity. It is painfully obvious to anyone who plays as a sniper - you cannot make fine adjustments on the game pad - if you move right stick just a bit the reticle does not move at all; if you put a bit more pressure, it just jumps over your target. There is no effective fine tuning on a controller. Admittedly, this problem used to be a lot worse early in the Beta but it is still glaring. Poor controller responsiveness compounds the problem with K&M superiority.

I'm pretty sure you can pick up a K&M cheaper than a ps3 controller

K/M is here to stay, move on.

First off you assume im a child that has only played games on the PS3 and that's not true at all. I have been playing FPS games and other types of games since Atari when i was young. there is no excuse for not using a PS3 controller for PS3 game. We all have had to learn controllers from the NES,SNES,N64, Gensis, Xbox, Playstation, Wii, and Keyboard and Mouse while playing Doom and battlefield 1943. When i play over a friends house that owns a Xbox that I dont own, The last thing I do is scream this game sucks because I cant use my PS controller. Instead I slowly start to learn the Xbox controller, that to this day I still don't find comfortable but became pretty good at GTA 4 with it. I would never buy an Xbox on the logic that I wouldnt need to use the Xbox controller ever.

All I have seen from the forum over the months is that Eve players love to scream adapt , till they have to and that has only been the PS3 controller. That CCP ran in to fix faster than Menus, Spawning, Hit detection, or a purpose to play Dust without an Eve account.

The thing is, the PC market is marginal compared to the console market. Any game that is mutiplatform, look at the PC sales, they are always abysmal in comparison to PS3 and 360.

I dont mind Kb/M and AUR as long as there is a filter to search games without Kb/M and AUR.

and for the last time , its not about the price of Kb/M , some people dont like to play with Kb/M or dont have the space to set up a Kb/M place and its not fair to those people and last time i checked Dust514 is on PS3 wich is a CONSOLE and MOST of PS3 users use dualshock

with no filter to set for Kb/M and AUR matches Dust514 is doomed to fail

Everyone's PS3 came with USB ports, do with them what you will.

These threads are pointless.

Also youre bitching about being an EVE mini game IS BULL ****! seriously every one plays in the same giant sand box what could be cooler. EVE took over half a decade to be mostly player run, expect the same for dust, we are not a mini game we are in the growing pains where we are still trying to get the game self sustaining, and its gonna take a little bit.

so can't we just deal with it and move on? you honestly think CCP is going to get rid of the KBM? and "fairness"???? in dust/EVE universe??? really? since when did this become a fairness game?
+¦h wait let me wait for you to reload you gun before i shoot you, that sounds fair enough" or "i'll let you respawn and wait a few seconds till you can see whats happening before shooting at you" so yeah fairness in this universe is almost non-existent

Not everyone can play with a xim edge, hori turbo controller, an xbox controller on a ps3, a playstation move, a custom ds3, eagle eye, madcatz, nostromo, etc etc etc etc.


Really weak excuse.


KB/M is a cheaper combined peripheral than a brand new DS3.

Keyboard and mouse support will outlast the support for ds3. Also, kbm support is an absolute necessity for eventual PC support.

Oh, you thought dust would be a ps3 exclusive for ever? Lol.

However, I think as the game gets polished and smoothed that the controller will be a "better" option even if it will never be the best. Right now the game feels.... off. Kinda clunky, its hard for me to feel it with the controller. Not having that smoothness really hurts.

Extension/Change of opion: If the clear and non boosts of using a K&M are taken away it will always be an uneven playing feild. I would take a guess and say the top 100 players on this game mostley use K&M. Its like an athlete on steroids. K&M will always be better than the controller, i know i was once a deadley PC gamer. So, if the K&M stays in the game(which it will) they need to equal out the differences some how otherwise controller players will never be able to reach the capabilites of K&M.

Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game.

Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages.

and if it makes you feel any better I hear from current KBM users that support is terrible on dust, not even close to the precision possible on a modern PC FPS, due to a very low DPI I believe.

Basically if a KBM user is owning you it's not solely because of the keyboard and mouse.

You think this game is coming to PC? LOL. Do you even know the reason why CCP wanted to add this game on console(s)?