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Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4	Posted - 2013.04.06 10:58:00 - [1] - Quote Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game. Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages. Take away keyboard and mouse. There is no need for it.
AskuII Legend Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 21	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:06:00 - [2] - Quote Totally agree...
ALM1GHTY STATIUS Imperfects Negative-Feedback 288	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:07:00 - [3] - Quote Deal with it. It's a ploy by sony to edge-out microsoft.
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 101	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:08:00 - [4] - Quote K/M is here to stay, move on.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:08:00 - [5] - Quote You say that but if you played with a controller how far would you get.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 123	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:11:00 - [6] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game. Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages. Take away keyboard and mouse. There is no need for it. Its merely a playstyle, i am pretty good with KB/M but those that are good with their controller can still kill me. Not everyone grew up with a controller, taking KB/M away will make all of us quit, there is no way i am going to re-do 20 years of KB/M gunplay to fiddle with a controller over 1 single game, its already bad enough my Nvidia 680 GTX vid card is being used just to type this on a forum. PS4 moves closer to the PC platform, then staying a console my guess is we will be seeing more KB/M games in the future if they want a slice of the PC market. Summary: A Bad player will always lose to a good Pad or KB player.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 144	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:11:00 - [7] - Quote Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement?
Vyzion Eyri The Legion Academy ROFL BROS 384	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:12:00 - [8] - Quote Even playing field =/= New Eden
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS 16	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:13:00 - [9] - Quote So, there is no dislike option? Honestly it still comes down to player skill, I had a friend on BF3 who began playing on a DS3. He was around a 1.3 K/D when he purchased an expensive KBM setup, he went up to 1.7 in the next 15K kills. I've always used a DS3 and maintain a 2.4 K/D. Yes a keyboard and mouse CAN be more precise, IF you can control it. Oh and if it makes you feel any better I hear from KBM support is terrible, not even close to the precision possible on a modern PC FPS, due to a very low DPI I believe. Basically if a KBM user is owning you it's not solely because of the keyboard and mouse.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 4	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:14:00 - [10] - Quote Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:16:00 - [11] - Quote I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:17:00 - [12] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: So, there is no dislike option? Honestly it still comes down to player skill, I had a friend on BF3 who began playing on a DS3. He was around a 1.3 K/D when he purchased an expensive KBM setup, he went up to 1.7 in the next 15K kills. I've always used a DS3 and maintain a 2.4 K/D. Yes a keyboard and mouse CAN be more precise, IF you can control it. Oh and if it makes you feel any better I hear from current KBM users that support is terrible on dust, not even close to the precision possible on a modern PC FPS, due to a very low DPI I believe. Basically if a KBM user is owning you it's not solely because of the keyboard and mouse. I haven't been owned by any K&B how would i know. i am clearly saying it gives players and unfair advantage.
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:18:00 - [13] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. I'm pretty sure you can pick up a K&M cheaper than a ps3 controller
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:18:00 - [14] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU. PS is not PC
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:20:00 - [15] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. I'm pretty sure you can pick up a K&M cheaper than a ps3 controller Yes. Does not take the fact away that there will always be people unfairly challenged.
Red Eye Laser Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 15	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:21:00 - [16] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. Not everyone can afford to buy AUR so should that be scraped in favour of making things more fair?.
AskuII Legend Vacuum Cleaner. LLC 21	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:22:00 - [17] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Summary: A Bad player will always lose to a good Pad or KB player. Gamepad - Inputlag, Mouse - nothing; Gamepad - Slow Sensitive, Mouse - Fast Sensitive... I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance. Google Translate
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:22:00 - [18] - Quote Red Eye Laser wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. Not everyone can afford to buy AUR so should that be scraped in favour of making things more fair?. Its not about the price, its the fact not everyone will have M&K
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:23:00 - [19] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU. PS is not PC Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3. You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to.
Odiain Suliis The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 144	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:24:00 - [20] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. I was just wondering in general why there isn't more of a push from console FPS gamers to require better input device that is more suited pesice movements and accuracy to FPS gameplay.
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:27:00 - [21] - Quote Cpt Murd0ck wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU. PS is not PC Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3. You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to. Its not on PC its on PS3, bringing M&K only puts other people at a disadvantage. Im in SI im sure i can handle myself when it comes to K&M players
Twisted202 Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 5	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:29:00 - [22] - Quote Odiain Suliis wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. I was just wondering in general why there isn't more of a push from console FPS gamers to require better input device that is more suited pesice movements and accuracy to FPS gameplay. Not a question to ask me
2100 Angels The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 34	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:35:00 - [23] - Quote I think this is a non-issue. When it was first being introduced I had massive reservations but I think CCP has done a good job of balancing it. Personally, I've only ever played shooters on the PS3 so a DS3 feels natural for me. I tried a kbm set up out and found that it was absolutely atrocious for sniping; the scroll speed was horrendously slow.. so for me, if you want to use that sort of kit... good luck to ya! I consistently outplay people who I know use kbm, so I'm not worried about any "unfair" advantage. Buff it I say, I'll still be cashing cheques
Rei Shepard Spectre II 124	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:35:00 - [24] - Quote AskuII Legend wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Summary: A Bad player will always lose to a good Pad or KB player. Gamepad - Inputlag, Mouse - nothing; Gamepad - Slow Sensitive, Mouse - Fast Sensitive... I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance. Google Translate Wait ... Mouse no input lag ? Mouse fast Sensitivity ? This game is so low in FPS that my input lag is just terrible sometimes, making some cqc fights impossible when the fps drops well below 15...aiming goes out the window, both close & long range. Not sure what you are smoking but it takes 10-15cm mouse dragging, picking it up, placing it again to continue turning to eventually turn around, on pc it takes 1cm for me to make a 360 spin with a solid 100 FPS. Not to mention we cannot tweak ADS aiming speed, witch on PC is always possible. Scrollwheel inconsistent operation when trying to draw your secondary & 1-2 seconds delay pressing the ADS button have lead to allot of deaths for me, not to mention it is impossible to pull a grenade and walk to the right when holding it, because you need to hold the grenade with the finger you use to strafe right. I would say that this game has barely operational mouse support, and i don't know if its intended or done to give mouse users a handicap. Well see next build when FPS should be better.
Daalzebul Del'Armgo D3LTA FORC3 Orion Empire 49	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:36:00 - [25] - Quote heck my ideal ps3 controller would have a trackball where the right analog stick is. hurm someone go out and patent that for me and send me the royalties =p the rest of the controller is fine just that pesky right stick
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 234	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:36:00 - [26] - Quote AskuII Legend wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Summary: A Bad player will always lose to a good Pad or KB player. Gamepad - Inputlag, Mouse - nothing; Gamepad - Slow Sensitive, Mouse - Fast Sensitive... I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance. Google Translate KBM has terrible input lag, I freeze in place able to turn without moving or move without turning or both several times a battle in probably half the battles I play. I still wouldn't use a pad with a pair of joysticks smaller than the hat stick on my PC joystick !
Another Heavy SOB TRUE TEA BAGGERS 17	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:38:00 - [27] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU. PS is not PC Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3. You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to. Its not on PC its on PS3, bringing M&K only puts other people at a disadvantage. Im in SI im sure i can handle myself when it comes to K&M players If you've got the skills to handle the KBM user's then why are you here QQ about your "disadvantage"?
lordjanuz Norwegian Dust514 Corporation 102	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:38:00 - [28] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: You say that but if you played with a controller how far would you get. Thats not the question, I die a Lot for controller players, but from day 1 CCP have said it will have full support for K/M so that should settle it I think. And yes I cant hit a mountain with a controller
Rei Shepard Spectre II 125	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:42:00 - [29] - Quote AskuII Legend wrote: I can not resist a mouse in a near shootout - no chance. So basically, every player that bests you in cqc is using a M/KB setup?
Cpt Murd0ck Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2013.04.06 11:42:00 - [30] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Cpt Murd0ck wrote: I have both pc and ps3. On the ps3 is play all my racing, gta etc. I play FPSs only on the PC. Why, because I played shooters a long time before analog controllers where invented. It's what me and a a lot of other dust players are used to. However I know a lot of top players how quite easily mow down K&M players. So in short HTFU. PS is not PC Sorry don't get what you mean. If dust 514 was on the PC obviously I wouldn't be playing it on a piece of outdated tech like a ps3. You want everyone to play with a controller because you can't handle pc users using what they like to. Its not on PC its on PS3, bringing M&K only puts other people at a disadvantage. Im in SI im sure i can handle myself when it comes to K&M players Yes it is on ps3 a console that allows for multiple input methods. If you wish to use an inferior method that's up to you. You moan that not everyone can use a K&M well the use of a pad for an fps is just as alien to me. It won't matter soon anyway once Dust has moved to the PC.

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