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Twisted202 wrote:

Extension/Change of opion: If the clear and non boosts of using a K&M are taken away it will always be an uneven playing feild. I would take a guess and say the top 100 players on this game mostley use K&M. Its like an athlete on steroids. K&M will always be better than the controller, i know i was once a deadley PC gamer. So, if the K&M stays in the game(which it will) they need to equal out the differences some how otherwise controller players will never be able to reach the capabilites of K&M.

Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game.

Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages.

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Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2402	Posted - 2013.04.08 12:15:00 - [121] - Quote Chibi Andy wrote: so can't we just deal with it and move on? you honestly think CCP is going to get rid of the KBM? and "fairness"???? in dust/EVE universe??? really? since when did this become a fairness game? +¦h wait let me wait for you to reload you gun before i shoot you, that sounds fair enough" or "i'll let you respawn and wait a few seconds till you can see whats happening before shooting at you" so yeah fairness in this universe is almost non-existent Fairness in giving everyone access to the same tools is different from fairness in actually making every scenario fair for both/all sides. KB+M needs to be balanced sot hat it's not an unfair advantage. When the turn speed cap is working correctly, this already happens. The "problem" is only an actual problem when someone can turn with a Heavy faster using a mouse than any sixaxis player can turn even with a Scout. And only certain mice with the right settings manage that, and CCP have said they're investigating to resolve the issue.
Daedric Lothar Onslaught Inc 123	Posted - 2013.04.08 12:22:00 - [122] - Quote If there was one thread on this entire board I would like to see have all moderation removed. It would be this one. This thread would give the best rage/flame fest of any I have seen. Ludvig made a great point, there is no good ground here. I will quit if K/M goes away (Which it won't). Controller people may eventualy become disenfranchised and quit. However, I think as the game gets polished and smoothed that the controller will be a "better" option even if it will never be the best. Right now the game feels.... off. Kinda clunky, its hard for me to feel it with the controller. Not having that smoothness really hurts.
Ech0 0ne Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:03:00 - [123] - Quote kb/m are fine with me
Jayquan18 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:08:00 - [124] - Quote Gunner Nightingale wrote: Twisted202 wrote: Odiain Suliis wrote: Personally I don't get, current type of console, controllers in a FSP games. Why would one wan't to use something as a inpud device that has poor accuracy on aiming and presice movement? Not everyone can play with K&M which makes it unfair. Not everyone can play with a xim edge, hori turbo controller, an xbox controller on a ps3, a playstation move, a custom ds3, eagle eye, madcatz, nostromo, etc etc etc etc. Really weak excuse. KB/M is a cheaper combined peripheral than a brand new DS3. Will then move to the PC, because has far has I know PS3 is primarily controllers. On PC ALL games are compatible with M&K.
Jayquan18 The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 48	Posted - 2013.04.08 14:12:00 - [125] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Keyboard and mouse support will outlast the support for ds3. Also, kbm support is an absolute necessity for eventual PC support. Oh, you thought dust would be a ps3 exclusive for ever? Lol. You think this game is coming to PC? LOL. Do you even know the reason why CCP wanted to add this game on console(s)?
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 2404	Posted - 2013.04.08 15:00:00 - [126] - Quote Daedric Lothar wrote: However, I think as the game gets polished and smoothed that the controller will be a "better" option even if it will never be the best. Right now the game feels.... off. Kinda clunky, its hard for me to feel it with the controller. Not having that smoothness really hurts. Right now, the game feels clunky no matter what controls you use.
Raven Tesio Liandri Hel-Jumpers Liandri Covenant 35	Posted - 2013.04.08 15:59:00 - [127] - Quote Twisted202 wrote: Extension/Change of opion: If the clear and non boosts of using a K&M are taken away it will always be an uneven playing feild. I would take a guess and say the top 100 players on this game mostley use K&M. Its like an athlete on steroids. K&M will always be better than the controller, i know i was once a deadley PC gamer. So, if the K&M stays in the game(which it will) they need to equal out the differences some how otherwise controller players will never be able to reach the capabilites of K&M. Personally i think keyboard and mouse does not belong in any PS game. The keyboard and mouse gives the user an advantage over a controller user by allowing them more precise aiming and control which is not possible with a standard controller. We know why CCP put K&M option into the game, to attract EVE players from PC to PS3 but that is not a strong reason to create a divide within the game. Why create a divide within the game? When we can all use our controllers which would make the game equal and give a chance for everyone to have a fair gun fight and not get dumped on by K&M users. Controllers have some advantages over the K&M but they do not outweigh the K&M advantages. I will put a short summary here for those who believe that Keyboard & Mouse is Superior for FPS Games, they honestly need to wake up as times have changes ... while I will agree that for Sniping the extra precision you have with the Mouse does hold a very clear advantage, the majority of FPS games nowadays are very Run & Gun based where a controller shines. Now I've been playing FPS prior to the Mouse even being a useful device back with Wolfenstein 3D and such, it wasn't until Quake where really it became a necessity and was supported properly by developers - even still I will simply say it is incredibly difficult for developers to PROPERLY support Mouse & Keyboards, regardless of the platforms. Since Dual Stick Controllers have been around they honestly have been a better choice for FPS in general. I'm aware there are many people here who cried because DUST isn't on PC and that it didn't initially have Keyboard & Mouse support because they can't get to grips with a controller - from my perspective if you're playing an FPS on anything other than a Controller then your experience is frankly quite watered down with you physically placing a handicap on yourself. The basic argument usually goes along the lines of "it is impossible to compete on a controller Vs mouse because of the greater precision the mouse has" ... but as I said above this argument is complete poppy-**** outside of Sniping where at extreme distances it is difficult to get a head that is like 1 pixel large as a target, most controllers don't allow this because developers frankly refuse to support them properly. Still when you say "My Mouse is a Razr 6,500 DPI Gaming Mouse" that on the whole makes me laugh as most controllers actually have +/- 32,500 across 2/5" they CAN actually be incredibly precise IF they are programmed for correctly ... but even outside of that completely uneducated argument, a Keyboard & Mouse combination has the simple issue that they are not ergonomically designed to provide a large quick access to buttons they also have an issue with analog movement in that they have NONE. You watch a K&M player on a Youtube Battlefield 3 video or similar such FPS, and rather than looking like the crosshairs are magnetised to someones head (which is possible with a Controller due to dual analog movement) the K&M player has a very jerky interaction of either having to stop dead to be accurate or simply move in very predictable patterns. Alright so this isn't a major issue in DUST as it is a little more slower paced than say Halo or Battlefield, it is still possible to effectively "duck'n'weave" on a Controller against these Keyboard & Mouse players - they either will never hit you because they're trying to move as well, or they will stop dead making themselves frankly an easy target. In-fact one of the best ways to kill a player using a K&M (as well as spotting them) is that they seem to very quickly look from one direction to another but are in-capable of fighting close range even remotely. Had a game last night against a group of so-called "elite players" who were all using Keyboard & Mouse cause they were just that damn awesomesauce. Spent a good 5minutes around the same building in CQC simply killing them one after another until they decided to bring an entire squad of Heavies to pepper the entire area with bullets. What disappoints me is that Friendly Fire was removed a while back, cause would've been funny to have seen them kill each other... Still my point here is don't look at them allowing these players to compete against you as a disadvantage to you, the only real disadvantage in DUST is having low-skill points - those on a different control scheme are frankly just handicapping themselves. This said I do agree with your original sentiment though, this is a CONSOLE ONLY game ... frankly it should use a Controller exclusively but then you'd get people who use hacked controllers, Controller-Emulators for Keyboard & Mouse and as it is a Sony console Modders who are utilising Aimbots. Sorry but Sony's protection against stuff like that is just a joke. Complaining about little issues like multiple control systems is pointless, what you should be complaining about is the fact that the Controls frankly seem to have a mind of their own at times. Seriously this game needs MAJOR polish on the controls period.
Zyrus Amalomyn Militaires-Sans-Frontieres 87	Posted - 2013.04.08 16:44:00 - [128] - Quote Another Heavy SOB wrote: and if it makes you feel any better I hear from current KBM users that support is terrible on dust, not even close to the precision possible on a modern PC FPS, due to a very low DPI I believe. Basically if a KBM user is owning you it's not solely because of the keyboard and mouse. I can confirm that if you don't make adjustments in the dashboard, AND use a DPI adjustable mouse, mouse movement is crippled.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 256	Posted - 2013.04.09 18:28:00 - [129] - Quote Jayquan18 wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Keyboard and mouse support will outlast the support for ds3. Also, kbm support is an absolute necessity for eventual PC support. Oh, you thought dust would be a ps3 exclusive for ever? Lol. You think this game is coming to PC? LOL. Do you even know the reason why CCP wanted to add this game on console(s)? Yep, I do, and once the Sony exclusive deal expires, there will be new money to be had from PC players.


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