I highly doubt that this would hold up in court. As the literature clearly refers to the "Mercenary Pack" and "items" contained there in, and SP does not qualify as either and is most assuredly not "of the same value" when one considers that the consumer could have frivolously used them under the impression the they would be credited back to they account.

"DUST 514 Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset and for the commercial release. CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted."

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I highly doubt that this would hold up in court. As the literature clearly refers to the "Mercenary Pack" and "items" contained there in, and SP does not qualify as either and is most assuredly not "of the same value"when one considers that the consumer could have frivolously used them under the impression the they would be credited back to their account.

"DUST 514 Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset and for the commercial release.CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted."

only if you opt in for a full SP reset to get it. They've said they don't intend to reset player SP except in a "catastrophe", which this Merc Pack issue has the potential to become.

There's your answer Garret, yes, I can see how it can be confusing though. But as I read this, I look at it as for every character reset and commercial release (another reset). However, through this, it is telling me that if there is ever a reset, that it will be refunded, the final reset being the Commercial Release.

Yes, maybe it could have been worded differently, but still...

And for something whose only purpose and use is to increase your earned SP, then it logically follows that the already-boosted SP is equivalent to an item which ends up as no more than that extra SP you still have from using it. It's also fair, given the lack of definitive statements to the contrary, for CCP to offer a new 30-day Booster, but only if you opt in for a full SP reset to get it. They've said they don't intend to reset player SP except in a "catastrophe", which this Merc Pack issue has the potential to become.

The only way for CCP to move forward with this mater and get what they "may" have intended to obtain is to offer an option to opt out of a reset, with the condition that anyone who opts out sign a waver releasing them from the terms and conditions of the Mercenary Pack. But as I have said before this is highly unethical.

I see no reason for a complete reset. CCP just said they wouldn't put people back at the SP level of a starting character, so SP cuts are fair game. 380,800 is the amount of boosted SP you can gain if you hit the cap for 4 weeks (I'd say is 28 days is close enough to 30).

So really I think players should be allowed to choose either of these options

1. Get back booster back, lose 380,800 SP (basically 2 weeks worth of fully capped SP)
2. Don't get booster back, keep SP as is.

Either would fulfill the agreement.

Edit: and give everyone a free 3-day booster just to get them to shut up lol

As I said, the issue here is the potential frivolous use of the items under the impression that the items would be credited back. The consumer may have been expecting to keep them as collector items, or may have been planing to sell them on the open market, at an enormous increase in value equivalent in ISK, which would mean that the potential SP gained from the the items in the Merc Pack could in fact have been much greater, and this includes the auram as well, it could just as easily have been frivolously spent.

Would you care to explain why player's should lose sp to have the booster refunded as it didn't say anywhere in the merc pack description to receive your booster back upon commercial release you must give up sp. I am only referring to CB pack's before the wording was changed

What the Merc. Pack should have said.

I hope CCPs learned a valuable lesson.

It's true that it doesn't say players must give up a portion of SP, but nowhere on the merc pack does it say that CCP can't take a portion of your SP; therefore, it's perfectly acceptable.


380.8 might be a bit too much for those who didn't try to maximize SP gains (however unlikely that might be), but if CCP doesn't have an exact way of knowing how much boosted SP someone gained, then I think 308,800 would be a reasonable enough amount. Keep in mind that that number doesn't include any SP that might have been after hitting a weekly cap. If someone feels they would lose more SP then they had actually gained, then they can always choose option 2. If someone feels they can make up for what they lose by grinding, then they can choose option 1. Honestly though, I doubt anyone who used the booster didn't try to maximize SP gains, so I see very few people choosing option 1.

Thanks for the response but it still didn't answer my question as to why player's should lose sp

Okay, but if they get the booster back then why should they be allowed to keep the SP from having used the booster in the first place? I'm just saying they should only get to keep the SP that they would have normally had, the unboosted Sp.

And CCP hasn't broken any promises about the Merc Pack.

Why shouldn't they be able to keep it your just basically dodging the question I asked which is your reason you think they should lose the sp.

Honestly why do you care if they get to keep the sp earned with the booster unless your compelling reason is you don't want them to get something your not.

Why shouldn't they be able to keep it your just basically dodging the question I asked which is your reason you think they should lose the sp.

Honestly why do you care if they get to keep the sp earned with the booster unless your compelling reason is you don't want them to get something your not.