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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.28 19:58:00 -
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They're greedy. CCP honored the spirit of the agreement with the last reset, now people are trying to for them to honor the litteral meaning because they realize it would be in their best interest.
So why did CCP decide no more SP resets? I would imagine that they felt they needed to give people a reason to play. It's kind of hard to do a stress test if no one is playing.
Edit: Baal, don't even bother replying to me, we've gone in circles 100 times already. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:36:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:
correct, the wording is clear. One for the beta, and another at commercial release. This was verified and assured by CCP reps on a regular basis, and people arguing that this wouldn't be the case were ridiculed by other players and CCP reps.
the merc pack IS a fresh set of all items at commercial release. That was the entire point.
Source? And show me another source where it says they would let you keep the Sp alongside the returned booster. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:38:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
The only part where this gets messy is with Boosters, and as I've already said, there's a valid argument saying we still technically have those, and the difficulty of reclaiming them means it's reasonable for CCP to reset any Merc Pack content EXCEPT Boosters - and include Boosters purchased with Merc Pack Aurum in that.
The boosters can be substituted for something of equal value though, in this case the SP they got for using the booster in the first place. As long as they keep that, then the agreement would technically be fulfilled right? |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.29 00:47:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:There's no interpretation to be had here. The letter and the law is very clear cut here. We will be getting our merc packs refunded on commercial release as the terms of the contract stated when we made the purchase.
This is not rocket science kids.
Okay, just know that playing things by the letter can comeback to bite you in the ass. Like CCP cutting your Sp, they never said they wouldn't do that.
And last I checked, we do take the spirit of laws/agreements into account. For instance, almost every single amendment to the US constitution. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.29 22:19:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote: assuming CCP actually bothered to speak up and respond about the issue.
10 years later... nope, gotta wait another 10 years. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 04:45:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:I put all that hard work and effort into my post and all I got was one lousy like from you guys. No replies no pats on the back? I feel robbed. 
Here, +2 just for being so long. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 07:24:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
every reset including commercial release
What the Merc. Pack should have said.
I hope CCPs learned a valuable lesson. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 08:29:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:
only if you opt in for a full SP reset to get it. They've said they don't intend to reset player SP except in a "catastrophe", which this Merc Pack issue has the potential to become.
I see no reason for a complete reset. CCP just said they wouldn't put people back at the SP level of a starting character, so SP cuts are fair game. 380,800 is the amount of boosted SP you can gain if you hit the cap for 4 weeks (I'd say is 28 days is close enough to 30).
So really I think players should be allowed to choose either of these options
1. Get back booster back, lose 380,800 SP (basically 2 weeks worth of fully capped SP)
2. Don't get booster back, keep SP as is.
Either would fulfill the agreement.
Edit: and give everyone a free 3-day booster just to get them to shut up lol  |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 16:43:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:
As I said, the issue here is the potential frivolous use of the items under the impression that the items would be credited back. The consumer may have been expecting to keep them as collector items, or may have been planing to sell them on the open market, at an enormous increase in value equivalent in ISK, which would mean that the potential SP gained from the the items in the Merc Pack could in fact have been much greater, and this includes the auram as well, it could just as easily have been frivolously spent.
Someone who didn't use it because they intend to sell it would still have it, there is no need to re-credit it to them. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 17:00:00 -
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VOUYER wrote:
Would you care to explain why player's should lose sp to have the booster refunded as it didn't say anywhere in the merc pack description to receive your booster back upon commercial release you must give up sp. I am only referring to CB pack's before the wording was changed
It's true that it doesn't say players must give up a portion of SP, but nowhere on the merc pack does it say that CCP can't take a portion of your SP; therefore, it's perfectly acceptable.
380.8 might be a bit too much for those who didn't try to maximize SP gains (however unlikely that might be), but if CCP doesn't have an exact way of knowing how much boosted SP someone gained, then I think 308,800 would be a reasonable enough amount. Keep in mind that that number doesn't include any SP that might have been after hitting a weekly cap. If someone feels they would lose more SP then they had actually gained, then they can always choose option 2. If someone feels they can make up for what they lose by grinding, then they can choose option 1. Honestly though, I doubt anyone who used the booster didn't try to maximize SP gains, so I see very few people choosing option 1. |
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Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.30 19:19:00 -
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VOUYER wrote:
Thanks for the response but it still didn't answer my question as to why player's should lose sp
Okay, but if they get the booster back then why should they be allowed to keep the SP from having used the booster in the first place? I'm just saying they should only get to keep the SP that they would have normally had, the unboosted Sp. |
Sloth9230
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Posted - 2013.03.31 00:48:00 -
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VOUYER wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:VOUYER wrote:
Thanks for the response but it still didn't answer my question as to why player's should lose sp
Okay, but if they get the booster back then why should they be allowed to keep the SP from having used the booster in the first place? I'm just saying they should only get to keep the SP that they would have normally had, the unboosted Sp. Why shouldn't they be able to keep it your just basically dodging the question I asked which is your reason you think they should lose the sp. Honestly why do you care if they get to keep the sp earned with the booster unless your compelling reason is you don't want them to get something your not.
I don't think they deserve to keep something they didn't pay for or that wasn't willingly gifted to them. If they get the booster back then they didn't pay for the boosted SP they received earlier.
I don't care if someone has more Sp than me, lots of people do. I care if people are trying take advantage of a technicality, which will effect me, in order to gain something more than they deserve. It won't effect me you say? H'mm what do you think they're going to do with that extra SP? They're going to use it to have an advantage over other players, that includes me.
Now then, why do you think they should be allowed to keep it? |
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