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Tyrin Tonious
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Posted - 2013.03.30 05:57:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:DS 10 wrote:The way I see it is you bought and used a product that benefits you throughout the game. If you purchased skills with SP gained from the booster or Aurum weapons and suits knowing these are limited use items, why should you get a refund? You benefitted from the product as it was intended. Refunding the Merc Pack would essentially give you one for free, right? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Please enlighten me. It's mostly because there's a faction of players who want the benefit of their Merc Packs for something like the third time in the history of the beta. The whole idea is that people are greedy, and they'll come up with any reason to justify getting more stuff if they think they can get away with it.
Well... that is certainly true... lmao
It does indeed suck that CCP had put that on their Merc Pack so long ago, however... would've people still bought it even if it didn't say that so long ago when the Merc Pack was released... of course, free stuff a long with 40k Aurum.
Sadly people don't care that with the legal binding contract we are all still under until the "Commercial Release", this can and will indeed change, unfortunately it did for the Merc Pack.
You got a free suit, albeit not that great, a free gun, again, not that great, and then you got the 40k Aurum. They made a mistake. Unfortunately, just get over it, in the end, a refund of the Aurum within the Merc Pack received would in my mind also include a reset of the SP. I find it fair that such should happen but... I would be PISSED since I'd be a damn newberry all over again and that for one would mean I would be reluctant to continue playing. AND THIS would include A LOT of people crying ALOUD with the refund, refund, refund. You know those of you who are crying refund would drop this game in a second if your SP was reset and that is exactly what would happen if Aurum was refunded.
So stop complaining, I'd be damn happy that a reset isn't going to happen, I don't want to be at 0 again, hell to the noooooo.
AGAIN I'll reiteration, UNLESS you want your SP reset along with everyone else (who don't want it to reset) to 0 just for a freaking AURUM reset, you're going to decay this game more than it can grow.
Just drop it, I've come to terms, it isn't going to happen, at least this is my opinion, and I'm damn happy with that. |
Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 06:50:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Tyrin Tonious wrote:Sadly people don't understand that with the beta legal binding contract we are all still under the "subject to chante" until the "Commercial Release", this can and will indeed change, unfortunately it did for the Merc Pack. I'm sorry, but the beta terms of use "subject to change" clause doesn't apply to the purchase agreement under which the Merc Pack was bought, which is a totally separate agreement and specifies - WITHOUT any such "unless we decide not to" clause - that there will be a full credit of the contents of the Merc Pack on commercial release. This argument doesn't apply here. And that fact has already been covered more than once in this thread.
It does when the terms within the beta contract claims rights to all within and if Dev so determine to change something, they can. I understand, it is bad practice to do such a thing with actual hard earned real world dollars are used, but this is the reality of things.
Point me to the Terms of Use of the Open Beta if you think I'm wrong, I will read it over and then apologize if I was in fact wrong.
Until then, in the games current stage, CCP reserves even the right to purchased "Packs".
Difference is, they can't take away the Aurum already provided, nore the items, since they were already provided. A reset though, since it was stated that it would happen with resets, must also imply that with a commercial release, there would be another reset. People just now was another 40k Aurum free.
Went all off the walls when they saw the "no more reset" and got their panties wet while thinking oh... free SP then in a twist when they started thinking about "what if" the Aurum reset was in order with an SP reset... |
Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 07:57:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Tyrin Tonious wrote:It does when the terms within the beta contract claims rights to all within and if Dev so determine to change something, they can. I understand, it is bad practice to do such a thing with actual hard earned real world dollars are used, but this is the reality of things.
Point me to the Terms of Use of the Open Beta if you think I'm wrong, I will read it over and then apologize if I was in fact wrong.
Until then, in the games current stage, CCP reserves even the right to purchased "Packs".
Difference is, they can't take away the Aurum already provided, nore the items, since they were already provided. A reset though, since it was stated that it would happen with resets, must also imply that with a commercial release, there would be another reset. People just now was another 40k Aurum free.
Went all off the walls when they saw the "no more reset" and got their panties wet while thinking oh... free SP then in a twist when they started thinking about "what if" the Aurum reset was in order with an SP reset... They can legally change anything that occurs WITHIN the beta. They CAN'T change an agreement made on purchase of the Merc Pack that exists OUTSIDE of the beta conditions. That isn't subject to the terms of use that are relevant to content within the beta. They're legally bound, regardless of anything agreed to within the beta's terms of use, to provide the product as agreed when we purchased the Merc Pack. Anything else is legally actionable as false advertising at the very least and could potentially be treated as a fraud case. The purchase agreement made between CCP and the customers buying the Merc Pack before the change in wording is entirely independent of the beta terms of use, and they're legally required to honour that agreement, which includes the product description as it stood AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE. EDIT: And in that agreement, it wasn't just stated that we'd get our gear credited back at every reset. It was every reset AND AT COMMERCIAL RELEASE. Not "every reset including commercial release" but "every reset AND commercial release".
Oh well, losing case. Doesn't matter what CCP does, or anyone say for that matter. I hope you find what you're searching for. You not feel complete without it. If CCP honors it regardless of standing, great, I feel happy for you all. I don't care either way, I just don't want my SP reset, especially if the reason is because of people who want "their" Aurum
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Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 08:00:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:
every reset including commercial release
What the Merc. Pack should have said. I hope CCPs learned a valuable lesson.
Yea, probably. People just need to chill and wait to see what happens at "Commercial Release".
I still stand by my beta. But if once purchased, maybe prior purchasing accnts might have a 40k Aurum Credit waiting for you at "Commercial Release".
Who knows, people you're just blowing steam for the moment. |
Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 08:06:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Rusticuls wrote:I hope CCP has stats on each characters SP totals and how much SP was earned through boosters, that way if they have to do a AUR refund on Merc packs they can just respec each character and take away all 'booster SP'. Or, as people have also explained as an option, they could take the "or an equivalent item" portion and explain that the SP you've already boosted is still on your account, and they aren't required to credit you back something you still have.
This wouldn't work because through your prior argument, you're still entitled to your Aurum reimbursement regardless. In this case, you've changed your story in stating that it would be acceptable to accept an equivalent item (which in this case would be multiple items since I haven't seen a single item worth 40k Aur).
Unless as an apology, they provide freebies, then great again for you all. (Even in that case, they might as well give you all the 40k Aur, lmfao) |
Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 08:11:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Tyrin Tonious wrote:Oh well, losing case. Doesn't matter what CCP does, or anyone say for that matter. I hope you find what you're searching for. You not feel complete without it. If CCP honors it regardless of standing, great, I feel happy for you all. I don't care either way, I just don't want my SP reset, especially if the reason is because of people who want "their" Aurum You've obviously either skipped most of the thread, or only skim-read chunks of it. I'm openly saying I DON'T want a forced SP reset for all players, and it's clear that neither does CCP, but I'm happy for anyone who demands their Boosters back to be told "you can have it if you opt in for a reset of your SP", and to explain that the booster-enhanced SP they already have is a suitable "equivalent" to the Booster they're entitled to. Any Boosters that were purchased with Merc Pack Aurum from this time period (or from a store which still uses the out-of-date product description) would also come under the same terms. You get back all your other Aurum from the Merc Pack, but lose any AUR-bought items you still have. That would be fair, and would honour the intent of the agreement made between the players and CCP when we purchased the Merc Pack.
No, I sadly read through it. Decided to respond towards the end, lol. At this point I've become a troll and am going to stop, more and more am I finding this funnier and funnier. But it's ok, CCP has been good for things and it is what it is.
At launch, if there is an SP reset (along with Aur) sweet for those who want it (I wouldn't unless there was really sweet gear and I absolutely wanted too), or an SP refund, now that is something I'm more interested in.
btw, I am a Merc and Starter owner, so it isn't like I'm blowing steam out of my ass, lmfao. |
Tyrin Tonious
Wraith Shadow Guards
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Posted - 2013.03.30 08:22:00 -
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Ignoble Son wrote:[quote=Garrett Blacknova][quote=Rusticuls]
I highly doubt that this would hold up in court. As the literature clearly refers to the "Mercenary Pack" and "items" contained there in, and SP does not qualify as either and is most assuredly not "of the same value"when one considers that the consumer could have frivolously used them under the impression the they would be credited back to their account.
"DUST 514 Mercenary Pack will be credited in full to your in-game DUST 514 account after each character reset and for the commercial release.CCP cannot guarantee all items will be identical and reserves the right to substitute items of similar value. No other form of refund is permitted."
There's your answer Garret, yes, I can see how it can be confusing though. But as I read this, I look at it as for every character reset and commercial release (another reset). However, through this, it is telling me that if there is ever a reset, that it will be refunded, the final reset being the Commercial Release.
Yes, maybe it could have been worded differently, but still... |
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