New Games modes =/= preventing the use of players skills/builds/weapons/etc from entering that map what-so-ever.

Sorry read that wrong, drunk. Thought you were excusing newberries from not swapping to AV and saying they shouldn't have to learn why they should.

It doesn't matter, it's still limiting them.

Dude, if you want to play against tanks, THEN DON'T GO INTO IO MODE, NO ONE IS ******* LIMITING YOU, THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER READ. A new mode in no way limits what you can do as long as you have alternatives.

Sidearms and the many secondary suggestions being made in the feedback part of the forum

I'm saying give them somewhere else to hangout so my team doesn't get steamrolled because all the blueberries were to stupid to switch to AV, which they are, 90% of the time.

but I'm not taking down 5 guys who know where I'm at because I just launched the bat signal into the sky without some support.

Obviously all this will do is create a game mode of AV vs Tanks.

And gun-infantry vs gun-infantry.

See the problem? The rock paper scissors here is
Infantry --> AV --> Tanks --> Infantry

Now you have a game of Rock vs Rock
and Paper vs Scissors.

0 tanks (or any vehicle) would queue. Vehicles are effectively removed from the game. I hope CCP can see this, its a terrible idea.

Good.

You're not supposed to be able to.

Working as intended.

Hey, I can handle myself pretty well with a Scrambler, but I'm not taking down 5 guys who know where I'm at because I just launched the bat signal into the sky without some support.

Hey, I can handle myself pretty well with a Scrambler, but I'm not taking down 5 guys who know where I'm at because I just launched the bat signal into the sky without some support.

You're telling me an IO mode would completely stop people from using guns in regular ambush? You've never been in a corp battle have you?

but I'm not taking down 5 guys who know where I'm at because I just launched the bat signal into the sky without some support.

And the food metaphors in this thread have gotten out of control.

I never said I was supposed to, you're the one who said that 1 AV guy could keep a tank pinned by himself. My response was "not if that tank has support and the AV guy doesn't", which we don't most of the time

Go on, play solo ambush without a squad, then comback and tell me how many tanks you took out by yourself while the blues just hung out in their little blob.

It's like fight O&S without summoning Solaire, good luck with that sh*t. I have done it BTW

They also made me hungry, Man I want some Chinese Food now...

You want the freedom to be diverse and drive your ship, but won't respect the freedom of others to want to play a mode where vehicles don't roll over them?

I never said i was supposed to, you're the one who said that 1 AV guy could keep a tank pinned by himself. My response was "not if that tank has support and the AV guy doesn't, which we don't most of the time"

Go on, play solo ambush without a squad, then comback and tell me how many tanks you took out by yourself while the blues just hung out in their little blob.

It essentially would when you look at the prices.

AV (cheap) as in free-tens of thousands.

Vehicles. Effectively range from 500k-million ISK ds
and 1-3 million ISk tanks.

Tell me, what idiot will call in a vehicle instead of come cheap or free/militia AV when fighting an entire team of people who know their vehicle will be forge-gunned from the sky before a ******** RDV has even the chance to crash it into a wall for them???

You mean AV people who know what they're doing? You're just proving my point that tanks only do well because they always go up against noobs, but guess what? All those people who switched over to AV are now easy to pick off with infantry, that was what you said right? Paper, scissors, rock.

Just because you cant take out a tank on your own, doesn't mean I cant.

yeah... And you're proving my point that if you eliminate rock from rock paper scissors which is FINE. Then you end up with paper scissors which is inherently broken .

No one mentioned Italian food even though I was eating spaghetti not long ago

No one mentioned Italian food even though I was eating spaghetti not long ago

Why would anyone switch to paper if no one is using rock? lol

"I know they can't use vehicles, but I switched to AV anyway for the lols"

Why would anyone switch to paper if no one is using rock? lol

"I know they can't use vehicles, but I switched to AV anyway for the lols"

I really got a hankering for chipotle reading this thread. Not sure why,

Anyone who wanted to use guns would be using guns in IO
Anyone who wanted to blow up tanks with gear that cost 1000x less than the tanks would join the other ambush.
Anyone who wanted to lose their tank with no feasible chance of financial compensation or victory after calling it in would que non IO


And no other vehicle ever would be used anywhere after.

Without scissors (tanks) there's no need for rock (Av) so we're only left with a loop of paper.

Like I said, you need to try a corp battle without decent AV. I guarantee it won't be fun.

I take it you've never had a paperball fight? Oh, how I miss my childhood