Invest the tiny amount of sp it requires with the starting sp and boom, you can kill tanks. I use swarm launchers with only 2 levels into it

Um. Are you suggesting every video game should cater to a crown of people who choose to completely ignore every mechanic and aspect of that game?

Oh no! The average World of Warcraft player is too stupid to figure out how to "not stand in the fire". We'd better remove fire from the game. Also from now on all PVE encounters are click-to-kill. There, now they don't have to learn anything and every new player can have so much FUN when they first join =D

That doesn't split the player base, it gives people more options without limiting what they use to play

Sorry read that wrong, drunk. Thought you were excusing newberries from not swapping to AV and saying they shouldn't have to learn why they should.

Obviously all this will do is create a game mode of AV vs Tanks.

And gun-infantry vs gun-infantry.

See the problem? The rock paper scissors here is
Infantry --> AV --> Tanks --> Infantry

Now you have a game of Rock vs Rock
and Paper vs Scissors.

0 tanks (or any vehicle) would queue. Vehicles are effectively removed from the game. I hope CCP can see this, its a terrible idea.

It essentially would when you look at the prices.

AV (cheap) as in free-tens of thousands.

Vehicles. Effectively range from 500k-million ISK ds
and 1-3 million ISk tanks.

Tell me, what idiot will call in a vehicle instead of come cheap or free/militia AV when fighting an entire team of people who know their vehicle will be forge-gunned from the sky before a ******** RDV has even the chance to crash it into a wall for them???

yeah... And you're proving my point that if you eliminate rock from rock paper scissors which is FINE. Then you end up with paper scissors which is inherently broken .

I never learned how to sow, you going to force me to learn how to sow?

Anyone who wanted to use guns would be using guns in IO
Anyone who wanted to blow up tanks with gear that cost 1000x less than the tanks would join the other ambush.
Anyone who wanted to lose their tank with no feasible chance of financial compensation or victory after calling it in would que non IO


And no other vehicle ever would be used anywhere after.

So segregating graduates and drop outs is the only way for things go to work when there are wayys around it already?

That's just what this games needs. A game with specialization and variety of skills to be broken apart into subsets.

Now I have never driven a tank and never want to. However look at this from my perspective as a DS pilot.
If I want to use my dropship I'd have to queue against an entire team that's either using tanks
(which instantly kill me)
Or against AV
(which is balanced against tanks, and also instantly kill me)

So um.... Yeah. Essentially this would ruin the game for me or anyone who enjoys having diversity in their matches. Where each game is different, team is different and you don't know what to expect.

Now we know why this idea came about. It's because presently tanks own everyone. If there was more content in the game this wouldn't be a problem. If there were fighters and gunships that killed tanks, properly balanced AV and less free/militia gear ruining the cost-risk-balance then Infantry only Ambush would not have been considered.

So how about instead of ruining the game early be segregating AV vs Tanks and Guns vs Guns to their own games maybe just wait for new content. You could lobby for it, but it won't speed CCP up. Or you could lobby a quick and short sighted band-aid that would be easy to implement but completely devastating to the entire point of this game.

Nobody who plays this game really want it to try to be a COD clone. CoD is boring as balls and CCP would fail in that market.
It's supposed to be some kind of MMO FPS but like eve. Imagine someone in eve suggesting a frigates only sector of the universe...

"Dropships are OP, they're killing everyone and I can't take it down with free AV!" ~Said no one ever

Most dropships seem to ust outrun my swarm missiles, making them rather difficult to take down. I can normally get 1 shot in with swarm launcher then the ship just flys away staying just ahead of my missiles until they blow up in mid air. Is there something I don't know or is this a common occurance. Swarm missiles seem to be designed to take down arial vehicles yet they seem to be ultimately best against LAVs.

Also has anyone brought up a topic concerning making the swarm missiles more like EVE allowing for different damage type from missiles? Would make taking down shield based vehicles much more manageable with SL.

=D

You found someone pre AB nerf who didn't figure out how to spend 5k on a militia forge gun I guess.

Besides the obvious fact that that one noob with his single swarm admits to being able to stave off a DS from doing anything useful an entire match by firing off one shot. Imagine being able to do that with a tank.

Pull out one swarm and it hides behind a hill getting zero player kills for the rest of the match. That would point to AV being unbalanced in AV's favor I'd think right ?
:P

Again so you draw the exception at LAV's Because they're worthless. You COULD spend 500k on one but it would be taken out by free swarms instantly so nobody does.

Now if you'd just also admit that the same exception could be drawn for dropships because

"Dropships are OP, they're killing everyone and I can't take it down with free AV!" ~Said no one ever
then you'd be agreeing with me that this issue arose because of tanks and not vehicles in general.

IO lobby is a cry against the lack of content balancing tanks out, and not against LAV's. Not against DS and definitely not against LAVs.
Therefore since Vehicles = {lav, ds, hav}. And {LAV, DS} is a non issue then this is an issue about HAV.