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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:02:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:You want the freedom to be diverse and drive your ship, but won't respect the freedom of others to want to play a mode where vehicles don't roll over them? Let's be honest here. What you're complaining against isn't vehicles. When's the last time a LAV or DS owned you? Its strickly tanks. And that's likely because there's not enough other vehicles in the game yet to dethrone their god status and level things out. Most people advocating infantry only don't mean infantry only. They mean No Tanks. Because they're tired of being pubstomped by tanks. But such a hasty generalization of "no vehicles" rather than "no tanks" is unjustified. You're generalizing "not wanting to play with tanks" as "being unable to handle tanks", I've brought down more than enough tanks, I still think an IO mode would be fun. |
gbghg
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:02:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote: Now we know why this idea came about. It's because presently tanks own everyone.
False, tanks don't own everyone, I'd go so far as to call them underpowered, tanks only own newberries. Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: Because now every butthurt infantry person will be hiding in regular ambush if CCP goes through with this.
You mean newberries? You're right, I'm sorry tankers won't get to slaughter noobs anymore. Honestly, the only people who don't know how to fight a tank are noobs charging at them with their little ARs. I take back what I said about the lack of supply depots, newberries are the reason tankers hangout in ambush. Then why a separate game mode if everyone with any form of experience knows how to deal with tanks? these days when ever someone spawns in a tank below standard grade it dies within 5 minutes and well fitted tanks don't last much longer unless their very good/lucky. and how do you think they got that experience if they weren't forced to due to the fact that every couple of matches a tank would be dropped on them. If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills entirely and it means a lot of players particularly those who come over from games like COD will just compare the infantry vs infantry to games like COD which are much better in that respect. |
Deluxe Edition
Like a Boss.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:03:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote: Now we know why this idea came about. It's because presently tanks own everyone.
False, tanks don't own everyone, I'd go so far as to call them underpowered, tanks only own newberries. [
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Tanks are easy for an experienced player to avoid/kill. The solution to this isn't a new game mode, but rather a ladder system being used in matchmaking so that you play with people within your skill level. Tanks are only OP against newberries, most vets I know see them as $$ signs when the enemy brings them in. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:04:00 -
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gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make.
As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:05:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Tony Calif wrote:but of they are having fun No, no one plays video games for fun. BTW if you don't use Falco or Fox in Super Smash Bros, then your're a scrub. I play games to smash people. That's fun for me. Sadly, I don't know those feels |
Maken Tosch
Planetary Response Organisation Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:06:00 -
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You do realize that CCP would likely give us such maps as "an option" just like being able to choose between Ambush, Ambush OMS, and Skirmish, correct? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:07:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Tony Calif wrote:So it's a big problem if people get infantry skills, then AV once they are comfortable with the game? I don't see how or why. Infantry only players will get called carebears, but of they are having fun, that's sort of all that matters yeah? Absolutely because being unable to play a.game mode with certain weapons is SO fun Then just....choose a different gametype? No one would be forcing you to play that gametype. So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:08:00 -
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I want a CQC only map, snipers can suck it. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Tony Calif wrote:So it's a big problem if people get infantry skills, then AV once they are comfortable with the game? I don't see how or why. Infantry only players will get called carebears, but of they are having fun, that's sort of all that matters yeah? Absolutely because being unable to play a.game mode with certain weapons is SO fun Ughh...go sue Taco Bell because they don't offer chinese food, clearly they hate the Chinese. Or would an infantry only mode, not necessarily ambush, prevent you from playing with tanks elsewhere?
And that's fair because i use a different weapon? Look out people we have a genius over here |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:09:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote: Now we know why this idea came about. It's because presently tanks own everyone.
False, tanks don't own everyone, I'd go so far as to call them underpowered, tanks only own newberries. Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: Because now every butthurt infantry person will be hiding in regular ambush if CCP goes through with this.
You mean newberries? You're right, I'm sorry tankers won't get to slaughter noobs anymore. Honestly, the only people who don't know how to fight a tank are noobs charging at them with their little ARs. I take back what I said about the lack of supply depots, newberries are the reason tankers hangout in ambush. Then why do you need them out of ambush so bad? |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:10:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:11:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: Then why do you need them out of ambush so bad?
Because we were talking about ambush in that thread, a completely new mode would be better. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:12:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. I can't choose what gametype because I can't use the weapon i want to use, it's not even that my weapon type isn't good on that mode |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:13:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make. As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? Games are much more fun when the enemy can escalate and bring a new unit to the battlefield and force you to adapt to the situation at hand. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:14:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. I can't choose what gametype because I can't use the weapon i want to use, it's not even that my weapon type isn't good on that mode Right, right, you go to Chinese food places and then get mad when they wont give you Mexican food don't you? No on would force you to play an IO mode... dude, just stop, you're not even making sense at this point. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make. As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? Games are much more fun when the enemy can escalate and bring a new unit to the battlefield and force you to adapt to the situation at hand. That's your idea of fun, and our current ambush accommodates you perfectly if that's the case. What do you have against a new IO mode? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:16:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. I can't choose what gametype because I can't use the weapon i want to use, it's not even that my weapon type isn't good on that mode Right, right, you go to Chinese food places and then get mad when they wont give you Mexican food don't you? No on would force you to play an IO mode... dude, just stop, you're not even making sense at this point. It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity |
Gunner Nightingale
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:17:00 -
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I'll re-iterate a point that was made about the imbalance of SP gap between new and veteran players.
It doesn't matter if there is a gap now you only grow wider not taller.
Its been 2 months since reset people are nearing the 6 Million SP mark.. Let me ask what its gonna be like once us vets have 12 million SP total in 2 more months.
Point is is about where the player base is going not where it is. You assume balance and fairness needs to be achieved on the back end and then modified as it expands. NO balance it to where the base is inevitably heading and you have made sure you expand into that balance naturally over time.
Point is in 2 months ill be able to do my primary infantry stuff and have solid AV gear and i wont be alone. I will be one of many one man swiss army knives capable of becoming whatever the match requires me to be. Because we understand that to survive you must understand two things.
ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:20:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food?
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:22:00 -
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I read through all these comments and still can't figure out why people have a problem with a different game mode... you know you still have a choice to select the game mode right?
Losing faith in this community daily. Adding a different game mode = bad...did I miss something somewhere??? |
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gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:22:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make. As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? Games are much more fun when the enemy can escalate and bring a new unit to the battlefield and force you to adapt to the situation at hand. That's your idea of fun, and our current ambush accommodates you perfectly if that's the case. What do you have against a new IO mode? It's the idea of splitting the player base that I don't like and the fact that some people will refuse to play any other game mode that i don't like. That's why I prefer the idea of infantry only or infantry favored maps, it gives people the chance to have the infantry on infantry firefights while still giving them an even chance of ending up going against vehicles. and vermaak sloth your metaphor has a life of it's own now... |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:22:00 -
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It doesn't take much to invest into some AV fittings.
I got to Forge Gunning Lvl 2, got an Assault Forge Gun, threw on a Complex Damage Modifier and picked some AV grenades.
That fitting only costs 29k ISK, compared to the 1mil a well fit tank might cost.
I can still take out a tank, I have done so, took out one today without it even seeing me.
This arguement is aimed at those Assault players who skill into nothing but ARs and Assault dropsuits then complain when a tank rolls over them and they cant fight back.
What do you expect? |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:23:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food? Again no, it's currently a buffet since every weapon van be used. Then people whined about diversity |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:23:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:I ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
That's nice, but noobs don't have the option to adapt, because like you said, they lack the SP. Newberries are the only people who have a problem facing tanks, I don't have a problem with tanks, but I would like an IO mode. What the problem? |
Kesi Raae Kaae
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:24:00 -
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I'd rather have maps that cater to a variety of play styles, but until that happens I wouldn't mind an infantry only mode. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:25:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food? Again no, it's currently a buffet since every weapon van be used. Then people whined about diversity What about people who want to play an objective based game mode, don't they feel left out of Ambush? No, they don't, because they have Skirmish. Variety comes in more forms than what weapons you can bring into a match. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:25:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:It doesn't take much to invest into some AV fittings.
I got to Forge Gunning Lvl 2, got an Assault Forge Gun, threw on a Complex Damage Modifier and picked some AV grenades.
That fitting only costs 29k ISK, compared to the 1mil a well fit tank might cost.
I can still take out a tank, I have done so, took out one today without it even seeing me.
This arguement is aimed at those Assault players who skill into nothing but ARs and Assault dropsuits then complain when a tank rolls over them and they cant fight back.
What do you expect?
Wrong. I have Proto FG's and Adv. Nades... yet I still would like to see an infantry only game mode.
Edit: Plus i have Adv. Swarms... |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:27:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:I ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
That's nice, but noobs don't have the option to adapt, because like you said, they lack the SP. Newberries are the only people who have a problem facing tanks, I don't have a problem with tanks, but I would like an IO mode. Whats the problem? Invest the tiny amount of sp it requires with the starting sp and boom, you can kill tanks. I use swarm launchers with only 2 levels into it |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:27:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:I ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
That's nice, but noobs don't have the option to adapt, because like you said, they lack the SP. Newberries are the only people who have a problem facing tanks, I don't have a problem with tanks, but I would like an IO mode. What the problem?
Newberries have a problem facing tanks because they try take them out with their ARs. I've seen it.
Tanks are not a big pain, if you dont have the equipment to deal with one, you get to cover and wait till it rolls past.
If every newberry done this tanks wouldn't be getting the crazy scores they're getting. |
Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood Unclaimed.
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:27:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food? Again no, it's currently a buffet since every weapon van be used. Then people whined about diversity What about people who want to play an objective based game mode, don't they feel left out of Ambush? No, they don't, because they have Skirmish. Variety comes in more forms than what weapons you can bring into a match. Then why would we need to separate by weapons? |
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