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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:44:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Segregation of the player base isn't a good enough reason that infantry only is a bad idea? So I take it that means we have to scrap all PvE game types right, since it would split people up? Down with the PVE! |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:48:00 -
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lol I'm going to tell my friends that they're discriminating against me next time they want to go get sushi. They know I hate fish, and yet they still want to go eat sushi THOSE BASTARDS! |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:51:00 -
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Tony Calif wrote:but of they are having fun No, no one plays video games for fun. BTW if you don't use Falco or Fox in Super Smash Bros, then your're a scrub. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:54:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote: Now we know why this idea came about. It's because presently tanks own everyone.
False, tanks don't own everyone, I'd go so far as to call them underpowered, tanks only own newberries.
Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: Because now every butthurt infantry person will be hiding in regular ambush if CCP goes through with this.
You mean newberries? You're right, I'm sorry tankers won't get to slaughter noobs anymore. Honestly, the only people who don't know how to fight a tank are noobs charging at them with their little ARs. I take back what I said about the lack of supply depots, newberries are the reason tankers hangout in ambush. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 19:57:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Tony Calif wrote:So it's a big problem if people get infantry skills, then AV once they are comfortable with the game? I don't see how or why. Infantry only players will get called carebears, but of they are having fun, that's sort of all that matters yeah? Absolutely because being unable to play a.game mode with certain weapons is SO fun Ughh...go whine at taco bell because they don't offer chinese food, clearly they hate the chinese. Or would an infantry only mode, not necessarily ambush, prevent you from playing with tanks elsewhere? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:02:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Winscar Shinobi wrote:You want the freedom to be diverse and drive your ship, but won't respect the freedom of others to want to play a mode where vehicles don't roll over them? Let's be honest here. What you're complaining against isn't vehicles. When's the last time a LAV or DS owned you? Its strickly tanks. And that's likely because there's not enough other vehicles in the game yet to dethrone their god status and level things out. Most people advocating infantry only don't mean infantry only. They mean No Tanks. Because they're tired of being pubstomped by tanks. But such a hasty generalization of "no vehicles" rather than "no tanks" is unjustified. You're generalizing "not wanting to play with tanks" as "being unable to handle tanks", I've brought down more than enough tanks, I still think an IO mode would be fun. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:04:00 -
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gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make.
As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:05:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Tony Calif wrote:but of they are having fun No, no one plays video games for fun. BTW if you don't use Falco or Fox in Super Smash Bros, then your're a scrub. I play games to smash people. That's fun for me. Sadly, I don't know those feels |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:08:00 -
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I want a CQC only map, snipers can suck it. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:10:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:11:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: Then why do you need them out of ambush so bad?
Because we were talking about ambush in that thread, a completely new mode would be better. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:14:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: So because of people whining I can't choose what gametype I want to play? Makes perfect sense
Who dafuq??? Who says you can't choose... boy, that takes a special kind of stupid. I can't choose what gametype because I can't use the weapon i want to use, it's not even that my weapon type isn't good on that mode Right, right, you go to Chinese food places and then get mad when they wont give you Mexican food don't you? No on would force you to play an IO mode... dude, just stop, you're not even making sense at this point. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:16:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote: If we give players a safe haven from vehicle's a lot of people will be able to ignore AV skills And? that's their choice to make. As for why, cause it's fun? Is "fun" not good enough, what are all of you doing playing a video game? Games are much more fun when the enemy can escalate and bring a new unit to the battlefield and force you to adapt to the situation at hand. That's your idea of fun, and our current ambush accommodates you perfectly if that's the case. What do you have against a new IO mode? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:20:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food?
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:23:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:I ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
That's nice, but noobs don't have the option to adapt, because like you said, they lack the SP. Newberries are the only people who have a problem facing tanks, I don't have a problem with tanks, but I would like an IO mode. What the problem? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:25:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: It's not a Chinese food place, the game was a buffet until people started crying about diversity
No, skirmish is a buffet. The game in this case is every restaurant in your neighborhood. So why did you go to the chinese food place if you wanted mexican food? Again no, it's currently a buffet since every weapon van be used. Then people whined about diversity What about people who want to play an objective based game mode, don't they feel left out of Ambush? No, they don't, because they have Skirmish. Variety comes in more forms than what weapons you can bring into a match. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:29:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Gunner Nightingale wrote:I ADAPT OR DIE
HTFU
That's nice, but noobs don't have the option to adapt, because like you said, they lack the SP. Newberries are the only people who have a problem facing tanks, I don't have a problem with tanks, but I would like an IO mode. Whats the problem? Invest the tiny amount of sp it requires with the starting sp and boom, you can kill tanks. I use swarm launchers with only 2 levels into it You can say that because you have experience with dust, newberries see the skill sheet and don't know wtf to do. It's those same newberries that go up against 5 tanks and never switch to AV. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:31:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: Then why would we need to separate by weapons?
Because why not? Split the player base? Skirmish and the eventual PVE will already do that.
You're that guy telling Naughty Dog to cut multiplier from Uncharted because all you ever do is play story mode. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:34:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote: Why?
Tanks are fun to go up against, there is nothing as fun in this game as wasting an expensive tank.
Fun for you, what do you have against CCP catering to other people sense of fun?
What? No, don't add Indian food to the menu, I wont eat it anyway. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:37:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: Then why would we need to separate by weapons?
Because why not? Split the player base? Skirmish and the eventual PVE will already do that. You're that guy telling Naughty Dog to cut multiplier from Uncharted because all you ever do is play story mode. That doesn't split the player base, it gives people more options without limiting what they use to play It doesn't matter, it's still limiting them.
Dude, if you want to play against tanks, THEN DON'T GO INTO IO MODE, NO ONE IS ******* LIMITING YOU, THAT HAS GOT TO BE THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER READ. A new mode in no way limits what you can do as long as you have alternatives. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:44:00 -
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Gunner Nightingale wrote:
Then make it a SP minimum to enter? so it attracts a pubstomp arena against ppl who are going to put up a fight which is what most IO guys want anyway to test player skill against other vets.
Considering the only people who think Tanks are OP are noobs? no. it should be available to everyone. What we need is a pro mode for all the "leet" players |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:48:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: Adding a new mode i can't use specific weapons on is still a way of splitting the player base, are you that thick you can't recognize this?
Who gives a rats ass, skirmish already does this, OMS already does, PVE will do this, any new game mode will only further split the player base. I guess that means no capture the flag right? it doesn't matter how it splits it, it's still splitting it.
You're acting like if the existence of McDonalds stops you from going to Burger King. that has got to be the worst logic I've ever seen. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:50:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote: Why?
Tanks are fun to go up against, there is nothing as fun in this game as wasting an expensive tank.
Fun for you, what do you have against CCP catering to other people sense of fun? What? No, don't add Indian food to the menu, I wont eat it anyway. You mean what do I have against CCP catering to new players? Its because they could be focusing on more important problems than this. In fact its not even a problem. Right, because it would so hard to program this? i bet it wouldn't even take 1 hour. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:52:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:Tanks are a problem when playing against a decent tank driver, especially when you are running in a squad that isn't great at taking out vehicles. If you only have one good AV player, there is practically no chance that they will destroy a well fit tank.
It would be nice to have a mode where we don't have to worry about getting stomped by a tank. That said, in no way should this mode even touch planetary conquest or corp battles. Even 1 good AV player can be enough to restrict a tanks movements and make it difficult to dominate your team Still needs good infantry to keep him safe, unless he's just spamming AV grenades. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:53:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
Um. Are you suggesting every video game should cater to a crown of people who choose to completely ignore every mechanic and aspect of that game?
Oh no! The average World of Warcraft player is too stupid to figure out how to "not stand in the fire". We'd better remove fire from the game. Also from now on all PVE encounters are click-to-kill. There, now they don't have to learn anything and every new player can have so much FUN when they first join =D
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Posted - 2013.03.23 20:58:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
New Games modes =/= preventing the use of players skills/builds/weapons/etc from entering that map what-so-ever.
It really makes you wonder what kind of mass driver user would willingly enter a game mode that doesn't let him use mass drivers. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:00:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:
Um. Are you suggesting every video game should cater to a crown of people who choose to completely ignore every mechanic and aspect of that game?
Oh no! The average World of Warcraft player is too stupid to figure out how to "not stand in the fire". We'd better remove fire from the game. Also from now on all PVE encounters are click-to-kill. There, now they don't have to learn anything and every new player can have so much FUN when they first join =D
... Sorry read that wrong, drunk. Thought you were excusing newberries from not swapping to AV and saying they shouldn't have to learn why they should. I'm saying give them somewhere else to hangout so my team doesn't get steamrolled because all the blueberries were to stupid to switch to AV, which they are, 90% of the time. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:02:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote:Chris F2112 wrote:Tanks are a problem when playing against a decent tank driver, especially when you are running in a squad that isn't great at taking out vehicles. If you only have one good AV player, there is practically no chance that they will destroy a well fit tank.
It would be nice to have a mode where we don't have to worry about getting stomped by a tank. That said, in no way should this mode even touch planetary conquest or corp battles. Even 1 good AV player can be enough to restrict a tanks movements and make it difficult to dominate your team Still needs good infantry to keep him safe, unless he's just spamming AV grenades. Sidearms and the many secondary suggestions being made in the feedback part of the forum Hey, I can handle myself pretty well with a Scrambler, but I'm not taking down 5 guys who know where I'm at because I just launched the bat signal into the sky without some support. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:05:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
Obviously all this will do is create a game mode of AV vs Tanks.
And gun-infantry vs gun-infantry.
See the problem? The rock paper scissors here is Infantry --> AV --> Tanks --> Infantry
Now you have a game of Rock vs Rock and Paper vs Scissors.
0 tanks (or any vehicle) would queue. Vehicles are effectively removed from the game. I hope CCP can see this, its a terrible idea.
You're telling me an IO mode would completely stop people from using guns in regular ambush? You've never been in a corp battle have you? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:08:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote: Good.
You're not supposed to be able to.
Working as intended.
I never said I was supposed to, you're the one who said that 1 AV guy could keep a tank pinned by himself. My response was "not if that tank has support and the AV guy doesn't", which we don't most of the time
Go on, play solo ambush without a squad, then comback and tell me how many tanks you took out by yourself while the blues just hung out in their little blob.
It's like fight O&S without summoning Solaire, good luck with that sh*t. I have done it BTW |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:And the food metaphors in this thread have gotten out of control. They also made me hungry, Man I want some Chinese Food now... |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:14:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
It essentially would when you look at the prices.
AV (cheap) as in free-tens of thousands.
Vehicles. Effectively range from 500k-million ISK ds and 1-3 million ISk tanks.
Tell me, what idiot will call in a vehicle instead of come cheap or free/militia AV when fighting an entire team of people who know their vehicle will be forge-gunned from the sky before a ******** RDV has even the chance to crash it into a wall for them???
You mean AV people who know what they're doing? You're just proving my point that tanks only do well because they always go up against noobs, but guess what? All those people who switched over to AV are now easy to pick off with infantry, that was what you said right? Paper, scissors, rock. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:17:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote: Just because you cant take out a tank on your own, doesn't mean I cant.
Never said I couldn't take own out on my own, just that it was unlikely and harder to do then if you have support. F*CK, it's annoying whenever people assume me being in favor of an IO mode automatically means i have a problem taking on tanks.
That said, I have never taken out a Madrugar, so kudos to you. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:19:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote: yeah... And you're proving my point that if you eliminate rock from rock paper scissors which is FINE. Then you end up with paper scissors which is inherently broken .
Why would anyone switch to paper if no one is using rock? lol
"I know they can't use vehicles, but I switched to AV anyway for the lols" |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:21:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:No one mentioned Italian food even though I was eating spaghetti not long ago had some last night |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:25:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:
Anyone who wanted to use guns would be using guns in IO Anyone who wanted to blow up tanks with gear that cost 1000x less than the tanks would join the other ambush. Anyone who wanted to lose their tank with no feasible chance of financial compensation or victory after calling it in would que non IO
And no other vehicle ever would be used anywhere after.
Like I said, you need to try a corp battle without decent AV. I guarantee it won't be fun.
Vermaak Doe wrote: Without scissors (tanks) there's no need for rock (Av) so we're only left with a loop of paper.
I take it you've never had a paperball fight? Oh, how I miss my childhood |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:39:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:I guess you never have, it was funner when food was added to it I never have what? I had food fights, they usually didn't end well for me. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:45:00 -
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gbghg wrote: The only way noobs become AV people who know what they're doing is by going up against tanks, willingly or not.
I never learned how to sow, you going to force me to learn how to sow? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:46:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:I guess you never have, it was funner when food was added to it I never have what? I had food fights, they usually didn't end well for me. Had a paper ball fight, which is just a catalyst for a food fight to escalate lol, not in a classroom, no, one of my many regrets. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 21:51:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:gbghg wrote: The only way noobs become AV people who know what they're doing is by going up against tanks, willingly or not.
I never learned how to sow, you going to force me to learn how to sow? Well when you have to choose between sowing and repeating your last year of high school which do you choose? Sowing, but not everyone wants to graduate to the big leagues. So if a guy wants to stay in IO for his whole life then let him, he's choosing to miss out on the fun.
Nguruthos IX wrote: he wants to dropout then but still get the degree
I know how to fight a tank... SMH |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:00:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote: how is it that we have to keep explaining this?
It's because they don't like Chinese Food. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:04:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote: So segregating graduates and drop outs is the only way for things go to work when there are wayys around it already?
You need 8 guys for a corp battle, there's 2 guys equally good at infantry, but only 1 who skilled into AV and there's only 1 spot left, who do you put on the team? Segregation based on skill happens in the real world too you know, we don't let people without educations, and it has to be a special education not GED, work at NASA, well, maybe as janitors, idk. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:21:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote: So segregating graduates and drop outs is the only way for things go to work when there are wayys around it already?
You need 8 guys for a corp battle, there's 2 guys equally good at infantry, but only 1 who skilled into AV and there's only 1 spot left, who do you put on the team? Segregation based on skill happens in the real world too you know, we don't let people without educations, and it has to be a special education not GED, work at NASA, well, maybe as janitors, idk. False. Somebody might skill for One, the other, both, or neither. depending on how much SP they have and how they wish to use it. What, how is it false? I'm telling you what they skilled into. Man, just let Vermaak and gbghg do the talking, you're just making my brain hurt. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:27:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:That's called a tactical mistake, when you know you're more than likely facing vehicles Right, so you would choose the guy who's more versatile over the guy who isn't? I would. |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:51:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:That's called a tactical mistake, when you know you're more than likely facing vehicles Right, so you would choose the guy who's more versatile over the guy who isn't? I would. Have fun getting steamrolled by vehicles I'm saying I would choose the guy with AV skills -_-, Preferably more than 1, and someone with tank skills. Why would anyone ever pack a team with nothing but Infantry? |
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Posted - 2013.03.23 22:59:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:So Paper wants a no-Rock game mode? I'm sure Paper loves Rock, you might be thinking Scissors here... |
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Posted - 2013.03.24 00:06:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:That's called a tactical mistake, when you know you're more than likely facing vehicles Right, so you would choose the guy who's more versatile over the guy who isn't? I would. Have fun getting steamrolled by vehicles I'm saying I would choose the guy with AV skills -_-, Preferably more than 1, and someone with tank skills. Why would anyone ever pack a team with nothing but Infantry? To capture the objective, you're not meant to only skill for anti infantry weapons I'm not even sure what you're saying anymore more. Clearly a varied team is better than 1 were everyone does the same thing. Yes it's important to capture objectives, no ****, this isn't ambush.
If a guy is just as good at AV as he is with an AR, why would I pick the guy who can only use the AR? |
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