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[REQUEST] Changes to Ambush and Ambush OMS - new modes such as infantry only on ambush. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63337&find=unread
Update: This is being considered.

Yes! Didn't know why people were so against this...well the people besides the tank spamming leet players who farm kills on Ambush.

People who are looking for a quick gun on gun game mode, can finally do so without the fair of tank / LAV spamming. People arguing about it's too much like "CoD"... really? So CoD is the only game ever made that's infantry only? Plus it's another game mode, not THE ONLY GAME MODE.

You have a choice between Infantry only Ambush, or normal Ambush. Want to spam your tanks? Ambush. Want to get raped by tanks being followed by infantry? Ambush. Want gun on gun action, Infantry only Ambush.

It's a win win imo. I wish someone can tell me what's wrong with that.

Nice now I can play a match without being spamed by a scattered Ion cannon

yep now you can get spamed by noobtubes without worrying about getting spamed by scattered ion cannons. baby steps

either way, basic ambush will be deserted and AMBUSH OMS will be where all the tankdrivers and tankbusters will play.

lol tankers hate OMS because of the supply depots, the lack of supply depots is the exact reason tanks have no business being in ambush.

Just because CCP is considering something doesn't mean it will ever get applied. That feedback report thread is just to let people know that their ideas have been seen and not completely ignored. I wouldn't go holding your breath because even if it does happen, it won't be for a very very long time.

Choose to willingly die so you can change fits and fight the tank or hide until it's gone? Crappy choices.

either way, basic ambush will be deserted and AMBUSH OMS will be where all the tankdrivers and tankbusters will play.

I really hope they just make Ambush no vehicles, instead of creating yet another new varation.

not really
basic ambush will be for ppl who want pure gungame which is alot of high end infantry players
Ambush OMS will be full on evrything which is good cuz now infantry has supply depot drops and installations to help counter

Now we just need a vehicle only mode so that tank drivers can't say CCP favors Infantry.

So then if infantry do get an infantry only ambush

What about this idea

Skirmish without the warbarge strike? for those tanks vs tanks and AV battles

or a mode with just tanks. Tht would be awesome. no av infantry just tanks. if infantry don't want me then i don't want av infantry. :). Fair is fair.

I do play WOT and i enjoy it

I wouldnt mind seeing it in DUST but the only problem is that tank battles finish so quickly because it would be tanks with rails and damage mods 3 shotting each other as soon as anyone saw each other

Funny how things change.

I made a thread requesting this 9 or 10 months ago.

One idiot said to me, quote '' I will defend to the death my right to bring tanks to ambush''

Tanks on these stupid maps, that are designed for tanks, is one of the biggest reasons the player base is almost non existant.

Personaly i don't care about tanks, I just avoid them or afk the game if there;s 4 or 5 and let all the blue dots die to get my isk.

game is dumb, game is dumb.

i still think tanks should be allowed. i mean i used my skill points for tanks he used his for infantry of course im going to use tanks or i'm going to die. assuming we r equally skilled on foot. due to him having better infantry gear. but you know thts my look on it.

my concern is that the non-infantry only ambush would just become one massive vehicle fest. tanks can't survive without infantry support. non-infantry only would die because anti-infantry tanks (blaster) wouldn't be able to make a profit anymore because they don't do AV well at all and would leave. without anti infantry tanks the prey would be gone for AV players and railgun tanks which would undoubtedly move on to greener pastures

step 1) what this means to infantry, is nothing less than the death of the tanker (it would lose it's profit, why would anyone do it?)
step 2) a dramatic increase in the number of HMG heavies (all the forge gunners gotta do something)
step 3) the death of AV. (why would you need it?)
step 4) corp/district matches roll around the tankers wipe the cobwebs off their 60 tonne death machines, unchecked by AV the leviathans roll about the battlefields cutting down swaths of unprepared AP babes, frantically the AR and lazor babes find old fits with AV nades only to find out they are completely useless against the 7000 hitpoint monsters. the few forge gunners still active are swamped to the point they can't counter the tanks.
step 5) people complain that tanks are op though they aren't, the soldiers are simply unprepared to fight them.
step 6) CCP lays down the nerf hammer yet again on the poor tankers. hammering home the final nail in their coffin. tanks go the way of the large missile turret and slowly sink into uselessness.

vehicles are part of the game. i'd like to keep them a part. i think that rather than having infantry only maps. a wiser path would be maps poorly suited to tanking tight areas with lots of verticality to provide swarm and forge vantage points (not unlike the sky-fire battery map). and removing the bowl/crater shape that allows tank snipe

You don't have to die to get into a tank, you don't have to die to get out of a tank. I do have to die to get into an AV fit, I do have to die to get out an Av fit. It's simply not fair for there to be tanks if infantry doesn't have access to supply depots.

Ambush should be just Infantry
Tank drivers still have OMS, but the infantry can fight back there, which is what a lot tank drivers don't seem to like.

your right. they price for leaving a tank is much higher than simply death. it's death and the loss of 4-5 matches earnings... one does not simply leave a tank. while we don't need to die to get into a tank. there is no way the pilot will EVER leave their tank not sober anyways. we're in the same boat as you only the stakes are much higher. what do you propose we do with the tank once we leave? just leave 500,000 isk lying about like a discarded shell hoping nobody will take it and get blown up? what we get out simply to kill you? because my militia AR is so much better than the 125+ DAM main gun on the tank no doubt.

More interior fights would be cool, but that should be due to base design, not some silly gamemode limitation.

"game mode limitation"? You do realize nobody is suggesting to take out a game mode right? The point of this is give players a choice. Last time I checked, having more game modes = more things to do.

I still can't comprehend why people have a problem with adding another game mode just for infantry?!!... like... honestly, what's the big deal?

no need to make another
read my thread
using the current 2 modes u make OMS able to drop vehicles and have vanilla changed to be infantry only

As others have said it sets a bad precedent, and a lot of people will end up playing it extensively and not see the need to invest in AV, right now getting stomped by a tank gives people good motivation to invest in AV. And stop complaining about having to die to switch to an AV fit, his tank is much more expensive than your suit. Besides it teaches players they have to be adaptable and be able to deal with different situations instead of pure infantry on infantry, what ccp need to do is improve the map designs, make them larger so we have more space to move around in and make area's where only infantry can access so people can have close range brawls they want.

Except these would just be "modes", the main purpose of Dust is FW an district control and all that jazz, and those will definitely involve vehicles. So yeah, you don't have to invest in AV to play an infantry only mode, but you do( or at least need someone who has) if you ever want to play at a higher level.

Well ****,there goes my safe haven, i just got used to barley seeing any tanks in OMS compared to regular ambush.

lol there's like a 3/5 chance that someone will call in a tank in ambush, it's like .5 in OMS.
Skirmish has more tankers than OMS for some reason though.

get an advanced swarm launcher, and stick a couple of damage mods on it and you can make sure that tankers will respect the danger infantry can pose

more space and better cover for them

Hooray! Now all the points I put into AV are essentially useless in Ambush.

You guys keep fighting the good fight!

I don't think that they don't realize the dangers of infantry, it's that they know that their will be very little AV in Ambush, I blame that on the absence of supply depots. Essentially most tankers stick to ambush because it's a safe bet. It doesn't matter if it's just militia AV or how expensive your tank is, if an entire team switches to AV then your tank is going down, but that will almost never happen in an Ambush match and tankers know it.

So yes, I think Ambush should infantry only, tankers still OMS. or we could add supply depots to Ambush, but then what purpose does OMS serve?


Ahh, right

Hell, if tanks were OMS and Skirmish only then I would actually call them under powered, but in Ambush? No.

Hooray! Now all the points I put into AV are essentially useless in Ambush.

You guys keep fighting the good fight!

making an infantry only mode would affect lav's and dropships as well, some ambush maps are actually pretty fun to call lav's in and they make a good addition. but as i said before it comes done to poor map design, i mean manus peak practically screams for tanks to be called in but a couple of others (can't remember the names) have area's where only infantry can access while tanks are restricted to the outskirts and roads, these are the best maps as gives tankers the opportunity to get kills as enemy infantry moves about while also giving infantry a haven from the tank. we need more maps like this

Getting rid of dumb-fire for Swarms was a dumb idea, just saying...

We do need more variety in regards to maps, and 2 of those maps have CRUs and Supply Depots for some reason... but I also see no harm in an infantry only mode.

My fear is that it might split the playerbase and some people will play only infantry only (can we shorten that to IO i'm getting bored of typing it) and neglect everything else the game has to offer. my other fear is that a weapon balanced towards a mode with vehicles will be considered unbalanced in the IO mode and it'll get nerfed/buffed across the board completely throwig it out of balance.

The player base is already split to late to bring this up

no need to do anymore splitting then, huh?

1. My fear is that it might split the playerbase and some people will play only infantry only (can we shorten that to IO i'm getting bored of typing it) and neglect everything else the game has to offer.

2.my other fear is that a weapon balanced towards a mode with vehicles will be considered unbalanced in the IO mode and it'll get nerfed/buffed across the board completely throwig it out of balance.

1. Then those players are choosing to not get the complete Dust experience, but I think that's a choice they should be able to make. Just like I don't play skirmish cause I find it boring.
2. I can't think of any weapons where that would be the case. Maybe the Plasma Cannon once we get it, and Swarm Launchers if they ever get dumb-fire back, but it's not something I can really say for sure.

As others have said it sets a bad precedent, and a lot of people will end up playing it extensively and not see the need to invest in AV, right now getting stomped by a tank gives people good motivation to invest in AV. And stop complaining about having to die to switch to an AV fit, his tank is much more expensive than your suit. Besides it teaches players they have to be adaptable and be able to deal with different situations instead of pure infantry on infantry, what ccp need to do is improve the map designs, make them larger so we have more space to move around in and make area's where only infantry can access so people can have close range brawls they want.

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[REQUEST] Changes to Ambush and Ambush OMS - new modes such as infantry only on ambush. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=63337&find=unread
Update: This is being considered.

Yes! Didn't know why people were so against this...well the people besides the tank spamming leet players who farm kills on Ambush.

People who are looking for a quick gun on gun game mode, can finally do so without the fair of tank / LAV spamming. People arguing about it's too much like "CoD"... really? So CoD is the only game ever made that's infantry only? Plus it's another game mode, not THE ONLY GAME MODE.

You have a choice between Infantry only Ambush, or normal Ambush. Want to spam your tanks? Ambush. Want to get raped by tanks being followed by infantry? Ambush. Want gun on gun action, Infantry only Ambush.

It's a win win imo. I wish someone can tell me what's wrong with that.

No offense, but that argument is dumb. I have Proto FG and never play Ambush to learn I need it. I have Adv AV nades, never played Ambush to know I need it.

I had Swarm launchers lvl 2 while I was using militia assault suits. You're telling me, people NEED to play Ambush to learn they need AV?

I still think infantry players would benefit from infantry vs infantry servers. People against this are tankers, or people too lazy to hunt tanks on skirmish.

Posted back when we got advanced technology and we discovered that instead of tossing dirt clods that advanced technology such as rocks was much better.

Anywho heres the original thread asking for infantry only maps:

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=43416

You're right I am thinking more along future weapon lines on the second point, and i'll concede the first point

making an infantry only mode would affect lav's and dropships as well, some ambush maps are actually pretty fun to call lav's in and they make a good addition. but as i said before it comes done to poor map design, i mean manus peak practically screams for tanks to be called in but a couple of others (can't remember the names) have area's where only infantry can access while tanks are restricted to the outskirts and roads, these are the best maps as gives tankers the opportunity to get kills as enemy infantry moves about while also giving infantry a haven from the tank. we need more maps like this

I don't think its a good idea to ostracize a portion of the community in a game mode.

*cough* Ok, so if you are referring to communication, biomass, etc., then I have to say no. The enclosed areas are not havens from tanks. Infantry are corralled there, pushed back by tank blasters and their splash damage combined with basic infantry support, allowing enemy infantry to safely approach and grenade spam, then rush in to mop up the remaining injured players. And since the new spawn system is the way it is, this now becomes a spawn camp area unless people get smart enough to wait until the last person in that area dies before they spawn in..

Until better maps are made then having OMS for everything and vanilla for non-tank related engagements is a solid mid-ground while we wait for these maps to be streamed in.

I don't think its a good idea to ostracize a portion of the community in a game mode.

Heavy vehicles are too overbearing for game modes where you have to die in order to equip AV.

was actually referring to skim junction and the map that has b inside the tower, but what you described was what tanks and infantry working together can do, the main problem there is that the spawn system keeps dropping everyone into the ****

Says Mr. Gunnlogi.

Tell you what. Add another game mode where you ride the bolas into battle in your vehicles, no one can exit the vehicle, and it's for vehicles only. I guarantee you that 90% of infantry won't feel ostracized. Sure, some AV players might feel a bit left out, but they can still run in skirmish and OMS to find vehicles, so they can get over it. Same goes here. Vehicle drivers can find plenty of targets in Skirmish and OMS. You'll get over it.

Heavy vehicles are too overbearing for game modes where you have to die in order to equip AV.

Up until 2 weeks ago I was exclusively assault, and now I play 50/50 depending on my mood. I only went tanks because we lack one in our corp and its been hurting us in corp battles.

Soo its going to be a fake mode were infantery will not have to deal with tanks. Thats not a good school for them, so how to deal with real battles. Next , modes : no snipers, no laser, no heavy.

Ambush is already a "fake" mode where players do not have to deal with objectives. It is not a good school for teaching them how to deal with real battles.

If you want to learn to play Dust well you should probably be playing Skirmish, which best simulates Faction Warfare battles.


I hope we get an infantry mode. I think a lot of players would enjoy it and it would offer some much needed variety to the game.

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People who are looking for a quick gun on gun game mode, can finally do so without the fair of tank / LAV spamming. People arguing about it's too much like "CoD"... really? So CoD is the only game ever made that's infantry only? Plus it's another game mode, not THE ONLY GAME MODE.

What the heck is even wrong with an FPS being like COD? It's one of the best FPS out there.

k/dr

Kills per... doctor?

That would be an interesting stat.

Yes, I know what you meant, but I'm sleep-deprived (it's almost 8am. I'm not normally up this late), and that was the first thing that came to mind when I saw it.

Yay, now we can play Infantry VS Infantry battles!

How....... exciting......

Am I the only one whos not interested in this?

Atleast tanks add a dynamic to the battlefield in Ambush, its better than seeing ARs everywhere.

Proves the point of whining gets results.

Dude, no one is whining. We want an infantry only mode because it would be fun, that's it, you got something against fun punk?

yep now you can get spamed by noobtubes without worrying about getting spamed by scattered ion cannons. baby steps

Try using a mass driver, dumbshit. They take the most practice out of everything in the game to be good with.

Dude, no one is whining. We want an infantry only mode because it would be fun, that's it, you got something against fun punk?

Lol, I already did that on an Alt charachter.
Results?
Its a noob tube.
3 games of practice is all i needed

So whos a dumbshit now?

I swear, people are so quick to assume that wanting an Infantry only mode means that we don't know how to deal with tanks. I do know how to deal with a tank, it's not like AV is the hardest thing to figure out, but sometimes I just don't want to. Why should I make the sacrifice play just because the rest of blues are too stupid to go AV or at least try and protect me.

Somehow that makes me a CoDtard? CoD is probably the single shooter I hate the most. I've played Battlefield, no problem with tanks there; I've played uncharted, no problems with tanks there; I've played Halo, no problems with tanks there.

Not really, it was achieved by whining. Maybe, just maybe I can get the redline removed...

Well good for the whiners I guess, but not everyone in favor of it is whining just because they don't know how to deal with tanks. That said, it does sound like there are a lot tank drivers butthurt that they won't have as many people to kill.

Its the easiest gun in the game dude, what are you talking about? Its like your telling me New york city is in Alaska.

Uh does this guy speak the truth or is it just me.

Because now every butthurt infantry person will be hiding in regular ambush if CCP goes through with this.

Lol, I already did that on an Alt charachter.
Results?
Its a noob tube.
3 games of practice is all i needed

So whos a dumbshit now?

I swear, people are so quick to assume that wanting an Infantry only mode means that we don't know how to deal with tanks. I do know how to deal with a tank, it's not like AV is the hardest thing to figure out, but sometimes I just don't want to. Why should I make the sacrifice play just because the rest of blues are too stupid to go AV or at least try and protect me.

Somehow that makes me a CoDtard? CoD is probably the single shooter I hate the most. I've played Battlefield, no problem with tanks there; I've played uncharted, no problems with tanks there; I've played Halo, no problems with tanks there.

Uh does this guy speak the truth or is it just me.

I take back what I said about the lack of supply depots, newberries are the reason tankers hangout in ambush.

If you have to ask.... it's probably you.

And I can confirm that for you. It is you. You're calling a weapon that is slow firing, deals severely reduced damage to shields (almost all suits are shield suits these days), one of the most difficult weapons to aim at a distance in the game, the only handheld weapon besides the forge gun and laser that can hurt the user, almost entirely useless against enemies at a higher altitude than you, and has devastatingly limited ammo capacity a noob tube weapon.

But let me put it this way... if it was a super easy noob tube, where are all of the cheap little CoD players who would love to exploit it? I've seen plenty of people try, but 90% of the time go back to the AR because it get's too hard to use. Where are all of the noob tubers brah? 'Cause I'm lucky if I see one mass driver in a match on either team, and when I do it's usually me because I got tired of shooting the AR.

"post constructively" = "please don't say anything negative or approaching negative or anything that might make anyone feel like they made a bad economic choice by spending money on the game. in short, please... just don't question anything about this game and that will be appreciated"


for this being a game made by the same company that makes EvE, these guys sure are sensitive.