i still think tanks should be allowed. i mean i used my skill points for tanks he used his for infantry of course im going to use tanks or i'm going to die. assuming we r equally skilled on foot. due to him having better infantry gear. but you know thts my look on it.

my concern is that the non-infantry only ambush would just become one massive vehicle fest. tanks can't survive without infantry support. non-infantry only would die because anti-infantry tanks (blaster) wouldn't be able to make a profit anymore because they don't do AV well at all and would leave. without anti infantry tanks the prey would be gone for AV players and railgun tanks which would undoubtedly move on to greener pastures

step 1) what this means to infantry, is nothing less than the death of the tanker (it would lose it's profit, why would anyone do it?)
step 2) a dramatic increase in the number of HMG heavies (all the forge gunners gotta do something)
step 3) the death of AV. (why would you need it?)
step 4) corp/district matches roll around the tankers wipe the cobwebs off their 60 tonne death machines, unchecked by AV the leviathans roll about the battlefields cutting down swaths of unprepared AP babes, frantically the AR and lazor babes find old fits with AV nades only to find out they are completely useless against the 7000 hitpoint monsters. the few forge gunners still active are swamped to the point they can't counter the tanks.
step 5) people complain that tanks are op though they aren't, the soldiers are simply unprepared to fight them.
step 6) CCP lays down the nerf hammer yet again on the poor tankers. hammering home the final nail in their coffin. tanks go the way of the large missile turret and slowly sink into uselessness.

vehicles are part of the game. i'd like to keep them a part. i think that rather than having infantry only maps. a wiser path would be maps poorly suited to tanking tight areas with lots of verticality to provide swarm and forge vantage points (not unlike the sky-fire battery map). and removing the bowl/crater shape that allows tank snipe

You don't have to die to get into a tank, you don't have to die to get out of a tank. I do have to die to get into an AV fit, I do have to die to get out an Av fit. It's simply not fair for there to be tanks if infantry doesn't have access to supply depots.

Ambush should be just Infantry
Tank drivers still have OMS, but the infantry can fight back there, which is what a lot tank drivers don't seem to like.

your right. they price for leaving a tank is much higher than simply death. it's death and the loss of 4-5 matches earnings... one does not simply leave a tank. while we don't need to die to get into a tank. there is no way the pilot will EVER leave their tank not sober anyways. we're in the same boat as you only the stakes are much higher. what do you propose we do with the tank once we leave? just leave 500,000 isk lying about like a discarded shell hoping nobody will take it and get blown up? what we get out simply to kill you? because my militia AR is so much better than the 125+ DAM main gun on the tank no doubt.

More interior fights would be cool, but that should be due to base design, not some silly gamemode limitation.

"game mode limitation"? You do realize nobody is suggesting to take out a game mode right? The point of this is give players a choice. Last time I checked, having more game modes = more things to do.

I still can't comprehend why people have a problem with adding another game mode just for infantry?!!... like... honestly, what's the big deal?

no need to make another
read my thread
using the current 2 modes u make OMS able to drop vehicles and have vanilla changed to be infantry only

As others have said it sets a bad precedent, and a lot of people will end up playing it extensively and not see the need to invest in AV, right now getting stomped by a tank gives people good motivation to invest in AV. And stop complaining about having to die to switch to an AV fit, his tank is much more expensive than your suit. Besides it teaches players they have to be adaptable and be able to deal with different situations instead of pure infantry on infantry, what ccp need to do is improve the map designs, make them larger so we have more space to move around in and make area's where only infantry can access so people can have close range brawls they want.

Except these would just be "modes", the main purpose of Dust is FW an district control and all that jazz, and those will definitely involve vehicles. So yeah, you don't have to invest in AV to play an infantry only mode, but you do( or at least need someone who has) if you ever want to play at a higher level.

Well ****,there goes my safe haven, i just got used to barley seeing any tanks in OMS compared to regular ambush.

lol there's like a 3/5 chance that someone will call in a tank in ambush, it's like .5 in OMS.
Skirmish has more tankers than OMS for some reason though.

get an advanced swarm launcher, and stick a couple of damage mods on it and you can make sure that tankers will respect the danger infantry can pose

more space and better cover for them

Hooray! Now all the points I put into AV are essentially useless in Ambush.

You guys keep fighting the good fight!

I don't think that they don't realize the dangers of infantry, it's that they know that their will be very little AV in Ambush, I blame that on the absence of supply depots. Essentially most tankers stick to ambush because it's a safe bet. It doesn't matter if it's just militia AV or how expensive your tank is, if an entire team switches to AV then your tank is going down, but that will almost never happen in an Ambush match and tankers know it.

So yes, I think Ambush should infantry only, tankers still OMS. or we could add supply depots to Ambush, but then what purpose does OMS serve?


Ahh, right

Hell, if tanks were OMS and Skirmish only then I would actually call them under powered, but in Ambush? No.

Hooray! Now all the points I put into AV are essentially useless in Ambush.

You guys keep fighting the good fight!

making an infantry only mode would affect lav's and dropships as well, some ambush maps are actually pretty fun to call lav's in and they make a good addition. but as i said before it comes done to poor map design, i mean manus peak practically screams for tanks to be called in but a couple of others (can't remember the names) have area's where only infantry can access while tanks are restricted to the outskirts and roads, these are the best maps as gives tankers the opportunity to get kills as enemy infantry moves about while also giving infantry a haven from the tank. we need more maps like this

Getting rid of dumb-fire for Swarms was a dumb idea, just saying...

We do need more variety in regards to maps, and 2 of those maps have CRUs and Supply Depots for some reason... but I also see no harm in an infantry only mode.

My fear is that it might split the playerbase and some people will play only infantry only (can we shorten that to IO i'm getting bored of typing it) and neglect everything else the game has to offer. my other fear is that a weapon balanced towards a mode with vehicles will be considered unbalanced in the IO mode and it'll get nerfed/buffed across the board completely throwig it out of balance.

The player base is already split to late to bring this up

no need to do anymore splitting then, huh?

1. My fear is that it might split the playerbase and some people will play only infantry only (can we shorten that to IO i'm getting bored of typing it) and neglect everything else the game has to offer.

2.my other fear is that a weapon balanced towards a mode with vehicles will be considered unbalanced in the IO mode and it'll get nerfed/buffed across the board completely throwig it out of balance.

1. Then those players are choosing to not get the complete Dust experience, but I think that's a choice they should be able to make. Just like I don't play skirmish cause I find it boring.
2. I can't think of any weapons where that would be the case. Maybe the Plasma Cannon once we get it, and Swarm Launchers if they ever get dumb-fire back, but it's not something I can really say for sure.