You have to be joking right ?

Heavies still are OP, just because you die more often now, doesn't means that are under-powered. Still takes tactics and team work to kill them, is no way i could kill one by my own, even with the Prototype AR. What you seeing is people working together alot more when they see a heavy, and is great to see. People ignoring other targets, and aiming for the heavy.... I LOVE IT.

You wanted an OP class, now you have became the number 1 target for every one else....poor you.

If you're going to call out other people for being unintelligent, then the least you could do is run some fact-checking.

The AR does hybrid damage, which means it does not deal increased damage to shields.

I take it as a compliment that you target the heavies as first priority. I am glad to hear you are still afraid of us

People are really not getting the argument.

The point is that we can't fight proto classes because it cost to much to fight and we will go bankrupt.

Heavy suits are bad and the fact that proto suits are several times more expensive than the proto assault suits (that are flat out better, lololo complex shield mods) just adds insult to injury. People who think heavies are OP are the ones who run up and stand in front of them at point blank range and wish see who has the biggest stats.

I think you saying that the HMG needs a buff threw a wrench into the cogs right off the start. The community is quite split on that issue atm. Also the fact that you wen't off into a couple tangents instead of sticking to "reduce the price of proto heavies" and that the title of the thread is "heavies are UP" instead of "proto heavies need a price drop" sort of threw off your intent in writing this thread as well. If you meant "proto heavies need a price drop", you should have said "proto heavies need a price drop", given a few points to show your case, and left it at that. It seems the simplest posts are the least likely to derail since this forum is so packed with immature no lifers who only want to troll.

I could of thought of a better argument but next time i will...

I think heavies need a price drop or all other classes need a price increase.

Nah heavies are walking tanks they should have a large cost to them. They shouldnt be something you can spec into and play willy nilly they really are a specialist class. Similar to HAV's they have a high ISK cost because they can do a ton of damage.

That said been saying since the beginning Heavies need a BUFF in SUIT and a RANGE NERF in HMG. Everything else is fine.

The heavy should a BULLET SPONGE that does HIGH DPS IN CQC. Beyond this a heavy should be FAILBOT.


Also look at CB that are CQC maps, an entire squad of heavies can wreck the world. Or better yet 4 heavies. 2 MD and whatever else you want and you will destroy on CQC maps.

If you're going to call out other people for being unintelligent, then the least you could do is run some fact-checking.

The AR does hybrid damage, which means it does not deal increased damage to shields.

Has anyone else wondered why it is that the devs always call the AR the 'light assault rife' (LAR) whenever they mention it? More things are coming, and tears shall be harvested once more.

Jotun, not intending to pick on you man. But the AR does indeed do more damage to shields.

110% damage to shields, 90% damage to armor.

It's easy to check in game. Next time you spawn with an AR next to friendlies, just aim at them. You'll see the efficiency rating is 110%. Takes a bit more work to verify the armor modifier, but keep your eyes open at teammate health in between salvos and you can check it.

Tank turret modifiers are the hardest thing to check at the moment...something about the efficiency display for them is borked so that it usually shows 0%, even if they're tearing up a fool.

In a good scout/assault/logi suit folks come at me with an SMG versus my HMG and I die.

In a scout suit and with an smg and heavies die so for me its looking like MD plus to add salt to the wound an SMG sidearm finisher to make the dead heavy really "happy" about all those sp placed into heavy 3X skills.

Just a few more weeks to run out of heavy suits and I guess begin running nova knifes on my scout fit.

The game has come to be play to win because of the cost of money items to ISK items. I can't compete because of it would cost me more ISK to go Proto and i would go bankrupt. The best i can do is advance and if i loss 3 suits a game i'm losing money.

I would put money into the game but, theres nothing to buy at this point of time...

Coming to my point i've notice that my heavy is becoming less useful in battle. I use to be able to take 2 to 3 people before i die and now it's hopefully one,Now it's not all the time but it is shafting to my heavy being useless.

I want to compete CCP but this game is not letting me.

My next point CCP, The next update is in april and i feel it's to late for me because of the **** ups and the pleasing ever reporter , that your fan base for the game is stasis. CCP you have all these great games out that for ideas and you've used nothing from them and that's a free resource. I feel that your game that you show off in adverts are the future of the game but the future for your game is't this year maybe in 10 years.

HMG needs a buff.

So you can't afford to run Proto Heavy all the time?
Simple solution: Don't use it all the time.

Bring a cheap(er) Heavy suit at the beginning of a match. If it looks like you're going to do well, and having that little bit extra would be an advantage, bring your best gear the next time you spawn in. If you're looking like it's still going to make you a profit and will benefit the team, keep running with it. If you look like you're going to start losing money, stop running the expensive fitting and drop back to a cheaper one. If you've been barely covering costs (or failing to do so), run several matches with only cheap/free gear to effectively grind for ISK and get yourself back on track.

People are really not getting the argument.

The point is that we can't fight proto classes because it cost to much to fight and we will go bankrupt.

how could you die to a SMG

Scout suit "B" complex sidearm damage mods Ishukone SMG killed me in my heavy + HMG suit.
Then in a later match (today) I messaged that player and I ran my new scout "B" suit versus that player running heavy suit plus HMG and the results were the heavy player died to my SMG.

Or hey!!! I have an idea!! YOU run heavy HMG and I run Scout "B" suit plus SMG.(soon to be proto scout).
Then we can have this conversation again.

Sidearm SMG versus HMG
One million SP into SMG VERSUS HMG three X!! three times more!! sp into a heavy weapon!!

Heavy weapons are borderline useless when looking at needed SP required versus other less intensive sp options.

But hey!! try it yourself then come back.

sounds fun,but a B scout SMG killed you sad