Vk.0: 3 high 5 low
Vk.1: 4 high, 3 low

I know this must of been a typo, since the maximum amount of mod slots is four, and five is quite impossible, unless you are diving an HAV.

Lol a 4 high, 3 low or 3 high, 4 low setup with 5% shield and armor increase is way to much asked for.
Giving the heavy suit 3 high, 3 low setup with a decrease in cost for the VK1 is more acceptable, but if they do this they need to give scouts either a 3 high 4 low setup or a speed increase.

Since we are talking about suits why does the heavy VK1 have the racial attributes of a Caldari suit? isnt amarr supposed to be armor specialized? Also why is the caldari variant of a scout suit so TERRIBAD?

The game has come to be play to win because of the cost of money items to ISK items. I can't compete because of it would cost me more ISK to go Proto and i would go bankrupt. The best i can do is advance and if i loss 3 suits a game i'm losing money.

I would put money into the game but, theres nothing to buy at this point of time...

Coming to my point i've notice that my heavy is becoming less useful in battle. I use to be able to take 2 to 3 people before i die and now it's hopefully one,Now it's not all the time but it is shafting to my heavy being useless.

I want to compete CCP but this game is not letting me.

My next point CCP, The next update is in april and i feel it's to late for me because of the **** ups and the pleasing ever reporter , that your fan base for the game is stasis. CCP you have all these great games out that for ideas and you've used nothing from them and that's a free resource. I feel that your game that you show off in adverts are the future of the game but the future for your game is't this year maybe in 10 years.

HMG needs a buff.

Sorry, I gotta agree with the guy who said basing balance issues off of pub matches is a foolish way to go about things. Especially the 1 v 1 situations. This is a team game. 4447 I would say you shouldn't pull out your good gear unless you have a trusted logi with you. Also, if you are at proto suits already, I am going to guess you are lower in some of the passive skills.

I don't play heavies so maybe the proto suits do need a little help, but you gotta remember that with the other classes shields and armor don't go up with the suits, one only gets more cpu, pg, and slots. Heavies get increased armor or shields as they go up in level.

If heavy players feel this isn't fair, then maybe we should make them like the other classes where shields/armor stay the same and you get increasing slots, pg, and cpu.

People are mentioning how an assault or logi can get armor or shields near a heavy and thats true, but to do so one has to sacrifice damage, recharge rate of armor and/or shields, and speed. That makes it players choice, give heavies the same choices.

4447 I would say you shouldn't pull out your good gear unless you have a trusted logi with you. Also, if you are at proto suits already, I am going to guess you are lower in some of the passive skills. If there isn't a Zion logi to roll with and I'm on I'll run logi for you, I'm pretty good at taking care of my fatties ;)

lol people are getting better.
calm down just cuz you died doesn't mean everything you use needs buffed an everything they use needs nerfed

Heavies don't get increased armor or shields as they go up a level.. They have the same base health like every other suit.

However to make higher tier heavy suits more viable, they should bring that back.

well theres one base health change from milita to standard but thts it. i agree with proto suits having module slots. :D.

The game has come to be play to win because of the cost of money items to ISK items. I can't compete because of it would cost me more ISK to go Proto and i would go bankrupt. The best i can do is advance and if i loss 3 suits a game i'm losing money.

*** SURPRISE!!!!!! ***

errrrrr...... Oh! It isn't is it? You were playing in CB so you knew this was coming as we've been on the same build for 5 months :)




*boo, hoo*

Assault full proto fit is in the region of 190,000
Assault advanced is 110,000

they lose 3 suits they're losing money.

And I would guess same for most classes -- so what makes the heavy so special that you think it should be affordable for you to run full proto fit 'ALL DAY, EVERY DAY'?

The problem is, you die too much because for the last 2 months you've had it easy against weaker suit's/weapons and less experienced players - YOU had this coming, now GET GOOD!

Assault full proto fit is in the region of 190,000
Assault advanced is 110,000

Full proto fit, A proto heavy suit by itself costs more than that.

I'm not sure that you did do the math.

lol

Proto suit 245k ISK

What's so funny?

The feeling is mutual, but for the sake of SCIENCE! I'll keep it civil and walk you through it.

Your example is a disembodied AR shooting at disembodied shields. You can't equip a damage mod without giving up the slot for something else, like shields.

In game it comes down to your fit + SP + player skill VS his fit + SP + player skill. We'll have to assume SP is equal or else the hypotheticals get out of control. And player skill is most important, but it's also the most highly variable, so we have to factor it out.

For the sake of example let's compare two suits.

Both have:
Assault Vk.1: 225 Shields, 105 Armor base
Duvolle Assault Rifle: 34.1 Damage, 750 RPM, 426.25 DPS
Lows: 1 armor rep of equal quality, 2x 87HP plates

One guy has 4x Complex Damage mods at 1.1x multiplier each, the other has Complex Extenders, at +66 Shield HP each.

Both have max Weaponry, AR Spec, armor, and shield skills. AR does 110% damage to shields, 90% damage to armor.

Damage mod guy final stats:
Shield HP: 281.25
Armor HP: 305.25
DPS: 789.45 (base*1.1 weaponry*1.15 spec*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1mods)

Shield mod guy final stats:
Shield HP: 545.25
Armor HP: 305.25
DPS: 539.20 (base*1.1 weaponry*1.15 spec)

Damage mod guy kills shield guy in 1.058s.
Shield guy kills damage mod guy in 0.904s.

TLDR: Shield mods win.

Damage mod guy kills shield guy in 1.058s.
Shield guy kills damage mod guy in 0.904s.

TLDR: Shield mods win.

The feeling is mutual, but for the sake of SCIENCE! I'll keep it civil and walk you through it.

Your example is a disembodied AR shooting at disembodied shields. You can't equip a damage mod without giving up the slot for something else, like shields.

In game it comes down to your fit + SP + player skill VS his fit + SP + player skill. We'll have to assume SP is equal or else the hypotheticals get out of control. And player skill is most important, but it's also the most highly variable, so we have to factor it out.

For the sake of example let's compare two suits.

Both have:
Assault Vk.1: 225 Shields, 105 Armor base
Duvolle Assault Rifle: 34.1 Damage, 750 RPM, 426.25 DPS
Lows: 1 armor rep of equal quality, 2x 87HP plates

One guy has 4x Complex Damage mods at 1.1x multiplier each, the other has Complex Extenders, at +66 Shield HP each.

Both have max Weaponry, AR Spec, armor, and shield skills. AR does 110% damage to shields, 90% damage to armor.

Damage mod guy final stats:
Shield HP: 281.25
Armor HP: 305.25
DPS: 789.45 (base*1.1 weaponry*1.15 spec*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1mods)

Shield mod guy final stats:
Shield HP: 545.2
Armor HP: 305.25
DPS: 539.20 (base*1.1 weaponry*1.15 spec)

Damage mod guy kills shield guy in 1.058s.
Shield guy kills damage mod guy in 0.904s.

TLDR: Shield mods win.

Forgot head shots in your math

Unless CCP does something, I'm pretty sure I have wasted time and money on my heavy suit and weapons. I knew everyone would be fine with heavies once we could barely beat any other suit one on one. Either buff heavies to be the room clearers we're supposed to be or remove the suit and HMG altogether.

Lol no, but the Advanced and Proto suits do.

so you have to be able to match an entire room of people firing at you and just kill 'em all with a wave of your magic HMG?

you can say that with a straight face?

that doesn't seem op at all?

But dmg mods have no stacking penalty as they are, therefor they're broken, and have been broken for months now. I don't know why anyone would defend something that's glitched... well maybe the people that exploit it.... my bad.

+1 for the math. I thought everyone would know by now that shields > damage mod

I was exaggerating. I meant what I said about barely being able to beat other suits one on one, though. Heavies are now just really slow assaults with no equipment slots and with much higher ISK costs for our gear. That sounds balanced to you? Really?