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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
715
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:46:00 -
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Trevor K wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:The gun is fine, when you take a Gastuns for a spin, all is right with the world of HMG. Am eager to take the Freedom Assault out for a spin later today.
The proto suit doesn't look worth it at all from where I am sitting. Better to invest heavily into heavy weapon upgrade and the last two levels of HMG proficiency before I even think about going proto.
A Type heavy with a boundless, dual extenders and dual basic plates is a real tank, and although another extender would increase the fun, it doesn't really justify the extra cost, especially when I still have only one level into heavy weapon upgrade and two more levels of circuitry to do.
Proto for shield heavies might be a bit better, because i would assume the higher CPU costs require more output, but for an armor heavy, stopping at advanced isn't hurting your game, even without AUR.
The Armor proto needs another low slot, and the shield proto needs a price drop, and maybe trade a low slot for another high. At least give us an equipment slot for nanohives at proto, jeesh!
No. We don't need a bloody equipment slot. We need more high slots / low slots / price reduction.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
122
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:46:00 -
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I would be perfectly happy with the 100% cpu upgrade that ALL other protos get, and another low slot. as well as dmg mods being fixed
3 high 2 low for proto at the crazy price just doesnt add up. (which is only 1 more high from either advanced)
and half a clip for 1 kill? practice aim bud ;-)
learn your range, and lay off the trigger when your target takes cover.. HMG isnt supposed to shoot thru walls
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Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1880
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:46:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:lol yeah right, it's called people adapting to the Heavy's Bullshit.
A heavy can still easily take out 1-2 people within their CQC range, protosuit or not. Don't you dare try and BS and call your suit underpowered because you're dying a lot more often than when the game was brand new and everybody was behind in terms of fire power and match-up knowledge compared to the heavy.
Crying for a buff because now the protosuits are killing you, pathetic, when does it end? You heavy's are just always going to want an easy mode advantage. Can't wait till your HMG's Laser Rifle range gets nerfed so you can cry about that too. So what you're saying is that it's fine for Proto Heavies to be underpowered because it somehow balances out the fact that low-tier Heavies are OP (pro-tip: they aren't, you just suck at countering heavies)? The hell are you even talking about right now!? Can you even read you imbred? When did I say any of what you're implying moron? The problem being pointed out in this thread is that the jump in ISK cost for Heavy suits is too high for the benefits of those suits. The scaling of other suits from one tier to the next is much higher than the Heavy, and the price gaps between tiers are much smaller.
You're arguing that it's fine for Heavies to be screwed out of usefulness at higher tiers because they can easily run through multiple players before that point. |
Panoscape
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
111
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:52:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I find it funny people are only now starting to realize this. I've been saying this for months before everyone got better dropsuits. If you played the last build, you would know what was coming down. Everyone QQ'd so hard about heavies in the start of this build...now? Not a thread in a week or more about heavies being OP. People kept judging heavies based on public games, when they ran into noobs using militia suits. Now people using Advanced or Proto suits, and heavies have officially become the joke of New Eden. No other suit has a useless Proto suit like the heavies do. The HMG's do little dmg to Proto Assault players who shield tank, or heavies don't live long enough to do dmg...thanks to broken dmg mods that CCP seem to not care to fix. Hey, broken AUR dmg mods = more money. Now Heavies are becoming more and more useless in battles. Now you'll start seeing more proto logis, and proto assault suits because they are FAR better than the other Proto suits. And people crying for an HMG nerf? Well I'm saying this right now, if they nerf anything more in the Heavy class, then they should just remove it from the game period. Think I'm wrong? Play as a heavy in a corp match against a good team. Then come back here and tell me your cool story about going 30-0 ... not gonna happen. The advanced and proto suits need a buff, and price drop for it to even make sense using tbh.
Agreed 100% |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
669
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:52:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:4447 wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:4447 wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:lol yeah right, it's called people adapting to the Heavy's Bullshit.
A heavy can still easily take out 1-2 people within their CQC range, protosuit or not. Don't you dare try and BS and call your suit underpowered because you're dying a lot more often than when the game was brand new and everybody was behind in terms of fire power and match-up knowledge compared to the heavy.
Crying for a buff because now the protosuits are killing you, pathetic, when does it end? You heavy's are just always going to want an easy mode advantage. Can't wait till your HMG's Laser Rifle range gets nerfed so you can cry about that too. It's not easy because they have chance to run and i've used half of my ammo. WHAT!? HTFU!!! You serious? What a crybaby thread, you have a 1000 bullet Clip and your complaining about using HALF your ammo, and the redberries can run away from you. Guess what, the Redberries can run away from anybody and everybody runs out of ammo you douche, you're too used to the easy mode you were happily accustomed too during the early days of open beta, those days are over you my friend Stop expecting all your kills to be handed to you on a silver platter! Do you even know how a HMG works? So my HMG should go toe to toe and use half my clip for one guy? He talks but i don't see no one at my door. Great rebuttal kid, couldn't even refute even one of my statements. You've already been exposed as a crybaby who's mad that everyone runs from him while continues to spray and runs out of ammo, boooo hoooo, BUFF ME. I'm done with you nerd.
I would murder you in a fight , so don't call me kid /nerd. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
669
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:54:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:I would be perfectly happy with the 100% cpu upgrade that ALL other protos get, and another low slot. as well as dmg mods being fixed
3 high 2 low for proto at the crazy price just doesnt add up. (which is only 1 more high from either advanced)
and half a clip for 1 kill? practice aim bud ;-)
learn your range, and lay off the trigger when your target takes cover.. HMG isnt supposed to shoot thru walls
I know everything about a heavy but when your roll is to push and you can't that. |
Crims0n Viper
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:54:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:lol yeah right, it's called people adapting to the Heavy's Bullshit.
A heavy can still easily take out 1-2 people within their CQC range, protosuit or not. Don't you dare try and BS and call your suit underpowered because you're dying a lot more often than when the game was brand new and everybody was behind in terms of fire power and match-up knowledge compared to the heavy.
Crying for a buff because now the protosuits are killing you, pathetic, when does it end? You heavy's are just always going to want an easy mode advantage. Can't wait till your HMG's Laser Rifle range gets nerfed so you can cry about that too. So what you're saying is that it's fine for Proto Heavies to be underpowered because it somehow balances out the fact that low-tier Heavies are OP (pro-tip: they aren't, you just suck at countering heavies)? The hell are you even talking about right now!? Can you even read you imbred? When did I say any of what you're implying moron? The problem being pointed out in this thread is that the jump in ISK cost for Heavy suits is too high for the benefits of those suits. The scaling of other suits from one tier to the next is much higher than the Heavy, and the price gaps between tiers are much smaller. You're arguing that it's fine for Heavies to be screwed out of usefulness at higher tiers because they can easily run through multiple players before that point.
No, I simply explained the validity of why the Protosuit heavy is perfectly fine as is, aside from the fact that it indeed needs a 100% CPU upgrade like all the other suits and another 1 extra low slot. |
Mr Gloo Gloo
What The French CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.03.07 18:58:00 -
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And what about logis and vehicules ?
My logi fit A-serie cost me 100k+ ISK, and I don't pay my gun : I play Exile. (can't imagine with vk1 and all proto stuff...)
My Madrugar cost me 750k ISK, and with enough teamplay, ennemies can destroy it.
If you can't deal with your proto stuff ALL the time, just leave it, your passives skills are not up enough, and you need a good logibro all the time.
It's all about risk, adaptation and reaction. |
Crims0n Viper
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:03:00 -
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4447 wrote:
I would murder you in a fight , so don't call me kid /nerd.
NERD
Your most likely diabetic, suffer from as asthma and fatter than your heavy suit in real life, come at me bro. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1880
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:05:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:No, I simply explained the validity of why the Protosuit heavy is perfectly fine as is, aside from the fact that it indeed needs a 100% CPU upgrade like all the other suits and another 1 extra low slot. Go ahead and reduce the price of the Proto Heavies, I can hardly see any imbalance to gameplay because of it. So you're saying the Proto Heavy is fine as is, but it could use an extra low slot, more CPU and reducing the price won't unbalance it even with those buffs?
How exactly is that meant to make any sense at all? |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
716
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:07:00 -
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Mr Gloo Gloo wrote:And what about logis and vehicules ?
My logi fit A-serie cost me 100k+ ISK, and I don't pay my gun : I play Exile. (can't imagine with vk1 and all proto stuff...)
My Madrugar cost me 750k ISK, and with enough teamplay, ennemies can destroy it.
If you can't deal with your proto stuff ALL the time, just leave it, your passives skills are not up enough, and you need a good logibro all the time.
It's all about risk, adaptation and reaction.
Edit : and as a corp, we know that some people earn more money than others, take less risks, or are really good to be rich. Thoose people help the others, because they trained a role that we need for FW ;) !!!
Don't think this thread was directed at logis and vehicles...talk about WAY off topic lol |
Beren Hurin
OMNI Endeavors
221
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:09:00 -
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The problem is that there aren't enough logis reviving people making the isk losses mean less. Also, everyone is playing COD style where they think they should get away with dieing (and bleeding out) a lot.
Cost rebalancing won't matter for the time being and should really only be looked at once we get the real district matches going. It sounds like losers will walk away from those matches with next to nothing, making people much more hesitant to risk a lot of expensive fits.
We need to start fighting in ways that minimizes clone/suit loss, this means more logis, and more MCC destruction victories. |
Crims0n Viper
Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:13:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:No, I simply explained the validity of why the Protosuit heavy is perfectly fine as is, aside from the fact that it indeed needs a 100% CPU upgrade like all the other suits and another 1 extra low slot. Go ahead and reduce the price of the Proto Heavies, I can hardly see any imbalance to gameplay because of it. So you're saying the Proto Heavy is fine as is, but it could use an extra low slot, more CPU and reducing the price won't unbalance it even with those buffs? How exactly is that meant to make any sense at all?
People want 2 extra High slots and 2 extra low slots, and 100% CPU upgrade, a well as an ISK descrease, big difference you prick.
Are you trying to argue with me or do you just love sounding stupid? |
Banjo Hero
BurgezzE.T.F Orion Empire
43
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:16:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:... Can you even read you imbred? When did I say any of what you're implying moron?
Your fascinating reliance on name-calling and ad hominem attacks aside, if you are going to insist on impugning someone's intelligence, it might do to at least spell the word "inbred" correctly. You don't appear exactly erudite, yourself, friend.
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GeneralButtNaked
Burnwall Industries
82
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:17:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:
People want 2 extra High slots and 2 extra low slots, and 100% CPU upgrade, a well as an ISK descrease, big difference you prick.
Are you trying to argue with me or do you just love sounding stupid?
Why so mad bro?
The linked thread was for discussion, not a final solution to the problem.
Relax.
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Mr Gloo Gloo
What The French CRONOS.
30
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:25:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Gloo Gloo wrote:And what about logis and vehicules ?
My logi fit A-serie cost me 100k+ ISK, and I don't pay my gun : I play Exile. (can't imagine with vk1 and all proto stuff...)
My Madrugar cost me 750k ISK, and with enough teamplay, ennemies can destroy it.
If you can't deal with your proto stuff ALL the time, just leave it, your passives skills are not up enough, and you need a good logibro all the time.
It's all about risk, adaptation and reaction.
Edit : and as a corp, we know that some people earn more money than others, take less risks, or are really good to be rich. Thoose people help the others, because they trained a role that we need for FW ;) !!! Don't think this thread was directed at logis and vehicles...talk about WAY off topic lol
Doesn't matter the fit we are talking about. Heavies are perfect like this. Maybe 1 more high or low slot for the vk1. It's all about teamplay. If heavies think that running alone in front of 10 guys and kill them all because of their high HP, they're wrong.
It's all about ISK, teamplay, and roleplay. Deal with this. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
669
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:26:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:4447 wrote:
I would murder you in a fight , so don't call me kid /nerd.
NERD You're most likely diabetic, suffer from as asthma and fatter than your heavy suit in real life, come at me bro.
No, I'm a door men that could lift and throw you. |
Sextus Hardcock
Pink Fluffy Bounty Hunterz RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:28:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:The problem is that there aren't enough logis reviving people making the isk losses mean less. Also, everyone is playing COD style where they think they should get away with dieing (and bleeding out) a lot.
Cost rebalancing won't matter for the time being and should really only be looked at once we get the real district matches going. It sounds like losers will walk away from those matches with next to nothing, making people much more hesitant to risk a lot of expensive fits.
We need to start fighting in ways that minimizes clone/suit loss, this means more logis, and more MCC destruction victories.
Well said. Pubs simply don't matter, are useless for balancing and for understanding how the game is actually played. i.e. Planetary conquest.
Pubs are a joke, AFK them, lolstompthesh!t out of them, spam tanks on them, snipe from a mountaintop. whatever. Its irrelevant and these threads are irrelevant until corps are fighting over districts and planets.
thank you. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
381
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:30:00 -
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Wish I had links to all the threads where the old school heavies have been saying this since day one. |
4447
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
669
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:31:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Wish I had links to all the threads where the old school heavies have been saying this since day one.
What from their last big Nuff. |
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
717
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:48:00 -
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Mr Gloo Gloo wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:Mr Gloo Gloo wrote:And what about logis and vehicules ?
My logi fit A-serie cost me 100k+ ISK, and I don't pay my gun : I play Exile. (can't imagine with vk1 and all proto stuff...)
My Madrugar cost me 750k ISK, and with enough teamplay, ennemies can destroy it.
If you can't deal with your proto stuff ALL the time, just leave it, your passives skills are not up enough, and you need a good logibro all the time.
It's all about risk, adaptation and reaction.
Edit : and as a corp, we know that some people earn more money than others, take less risks, or are really good to be rich. Thoose people help the others, because they trained a role that we need for FW ;) !!! Don't think this thread was directed at logis and vehicles...talk about WAY off topic lol Doesn't matter the fit we are talking about. Heavies are perfect like this. Maybe 1 more high or low slot for the vk1. It's all about teamplay. If heavies think that running alone in front of 10 guys and kill them all because of their high HP, they're wrong. It's all about ISK, teamplay, and roleplay. Deal with this.
smh... a thread about heavies and the cost for proto suits and what they're really worth, you bring up teamplay, and vehicles.
Heavies are not fine, and even if they add an extra slot, it's still not worth the asking price per suit. |
METR0 THE DESTR0YER
UnReaL.
83
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Posted - 2013.03.07 19:59:00 -
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ZiwZih wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:4447 wrote:HMG needs a buff. Lol no, but the Advanced and Proto suits do. Even that black colour of PRO isn't intimidating these days. Poor fatties; at least you got promise that CCP 'will look' upon your class, so you might hope. We Scouts shall keep strafing in mud until indefinite.
Lol, this is exactly what the cry babies do. They complain, and complain, and when a nerf goes in there favor they say something like "poor fatties" because now they have one less thing to worry about. Smh. |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
1880
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:03:00 -
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Crims0n Viper wrote:Garrett Blacknova wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:No, I simply explained the validity of why the Protosuit heavy is perfectly fine as is, aside from the fact that it indeed needs a 100% CPU upgrade like all the other suits and another 1 extra low slot. Go ahead and reduce the price of the Proto Heavies, I can hardly see any imbalance to gameplay because of it. So you're saying the Proto Heavy is fine as is, but it could use an extra low slot, more CPU and reducing the price won't unbalance it even with those buffs? How exactly is that meant to make any sense at all? People want 2 extra High slots and 2 extra low slots, and 100% CPU upgrade, a well as an ISK descrease, big difference you prick. Are you trying to argue with me or do you just love sounding stupid? Are you trying to make a valid point or do you just love calling people stupid when you're the one failing to make any sense?
Because until now, nothing you said was coming across with anything resembling coherency. Maybe you should work on your English skills some more before assuming your inability to express yourself is actually intelligible. That might help you to avoid situations like this in future.
You've been fluctuating between saying the Proto Heavy needs a buff, and saying it's fine, and saying that Heavies in general are more powerful than they should be and it's stupid for someone to complain that the Proto suit needs to be better. If you could settle (like you did in this post) on a single opinion and present the same idea consistently, you might make enough sense for people to take you seriously. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
335
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:19:00 -
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Oh snap, sh*t's going down in this thread. Somebody pass me the popcorn. |
DUST Fiend
Immobile Infantry
1944
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:20:00 -
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Banjo Hero wrote:Crims0n Viper wrote:... Can you even read you imbred? When did I say any of what you're implying moron? Your fascinating reliance on name-calling and ad hominem attacks aside, if you are going to insist on impugning someone's intelligence, it might do to at least spell the word "inbred" correctly. You don't appear exactly erudite, yourself, friend.
So much win.
As for heavies....yea, it doesn't even matter. If you don't have AUR, you can NOT compete (yea you can still do alright against pubbies). Without boosters, you WILL fall FAR behind, no matter how often you play. You could slave away day in and day out and always be 50% behind anyone who can afford a $40 a month subscription, nevermind if they can afford to P2W with their gear as well.
I've been looking forward to this game for years, but after a year of this beta it's becoming painfully clear that the entire DUST project is just a cash cow for CCP, and it's far more important to them to get us to spend our $$ during this incomplete Beta than it is for them to just finish the damn beta. |
Sentient Archon
Red Star.
725
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:26:00 -
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I have a proto logi. On my proto logi I can fit 4 complex shield extenders and 4 complex armor plates.
That takes my EHP to over 1000 i.e. 1052.
A proto heavy can fit fit 3 complex shield extenders and maybe 1 complex armor. That takes the proto heavy to 1000 + EHP.
Now please tell me how a role that's supposed to be logistical can have the same amount of EHP as something that's supposed to go toe to toe with a tank.
IMHO a proto heavy should have atleast around 1500 EHP. Lasers melt them like butter. MDs throw their aims off. Its BS.
The only people QQing about heavies are those whinny little bitches who couldn't even nail a drunk fat chick. |
Mavado V Noriega
SyNergy Gaming
2368
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:44:00 -
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HMG needs better heat buildup and slightly less range The dropsuits themselves NEED more slots heavy slot layout is a joke atm
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Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
381
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:46:00 -
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4447 wrote:Altina McAlterson wrote:Wish I had links to all the threads where the old school heavies have been saying this since day one. What from their last big Nuff. Just from the beginning of the build and open BETA when everyone was running heavy and there was so much QQ. People kept talking about the next nerf because CCP said they were going to "look at the class" not realizing the DEVS were probably talking about a buff.
Same thing with all the whining about the GEK. Either everybody's quit playing or they're skilled up in gear and realized how stupid they were being before. |
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
122
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:47:00 -
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Sentient Archon wrote:I have a proto logi. On my proto logi I can fit 4 complex shield extenders and 4 complex armor plates.
That takes my EHP to over 1000 i.e. 1052.
A proto heavy can fit fit 3 complex shield extenders and maybe 1 complex armor. That takes the proto heavy to 1000 + EHP.
Now please tell me how a role that's supposed to be logistical can have the same amount of EHP as something that's supposed to go toe to toe with a tank.
IMHO a proto heavy should have atleast around 1500 EHP. Lasers melt them like butter. MDs throw their aims off. Its BS.
The only people QQing about heavies are those whinny little bitches who couldn't even nail a drunk fat chick.
I can have over 1k hp in a B-series ;-)
maxed out proto heavy can end up with around 1300 HP if u fit it a certain way (not smart, but can be done) |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
381
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Posted - 2013.03.07 20:59:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Sentient Archon wrote:I have a proto logi. On my proto logi I can fit 4 complex shield extenders and 4 complex armor plates.
That takes my EHP to over 1000 i.e. 1052.
A proto heavy can fit fit 3 complex shield extenders and maybe 1 complex armor. That takes the proto heavy to 1000 + EHP.
Now please tell me how a role that's supposed to be logistical can have the same amount of EHP as something that's supposed to go toe to toe with a tank.
IMHO a proto heavy should have atleast around 1500 EHP. Lasers melt them like butter. MDs throw their aims off. Its BS.
The only people QQing about heavies are those whinny little bitches who couldn't even nail a drunk fat chick. I can have over 1k hp in a B-series ;-) maxed out proto heavy can end up with around 1300 HP if u fit it a certain way (not smart, but can be done) Doable so long as you're got a fleet of logibros or someone throws out like 5 armor rep nano's. All these fits are really academic almost as they don't really serve a purpose in the game outside of possibly rare, niche situations.
I can fit a 10MN MWD on a frigate but that doesn't mean I'm going to take it in to combat and win a fleet engagement with it. When it comes to useful fits that can be used on a regular basis the heavy class has the least benefit from higher tier suits. |
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