Its nice to see but i still think it's not an issue the community should be addressing. CCP will do it when the time is right and all this talk of multiple councils is just plain silly not to mention that a lot of this "CPM" was in place before the vast majority of the community was even aware of the CPM movement.

Unfortunately, hopefully the new direction will get you guys more involved. Maybe if we get enough posts we can convince Kain and others to stop trying to pre-electoral the group and focus more on the community.

That's a little unreasonable, I've spoken to Kain at length about this subject recently, quite a bit today too as i'm obviously kicking the hornets nest somewhat today but still, i don't get the impression that he's trying to pre-elect anything at all and i'm sure he'll say that himself and be able to prove it i hope.

I firmly believe that it's too early right now and that more than a single unified council is too much, why would we need 2 electoral bodys?

That's just utter bollocks. Even if there's more of us than EVE players if there's only a single seat or even 3 for Dust players we won't out number them or whatever, there won't ever be a situation where there's more Dust voices on the CSM than EVE, that's just silly and the actual chances of that are tiny.

Especially with the new STV system!

Not to mention what i posted in Hunter Blakes thread about their only being a very small percentage of the community that will be able to vote Dust side assuming you have to pay for the privilege let along an even smaller percentage of the community that gives a **** about the politics and what goes on forumside/metagaming.

Even being seen as a legit community body means nothing unless CCP take steps to even allow Dust to have it's own council which i highly doubt they will simply from a cost point of view.

To fly 7 people to shanghai for 3 weeks a year and keep them their and then send them to iceland to meet the CSM is a massive expense and will take a lot of merc packs sold to even make it viable. It's a long ways off.

So here is the truth of what this all is.

"lets create rules to get ourselves elected to it"

For us in the community to even think about taking you seriously you need to list everyone to participated. Then they need to come into this thread and tell us they are doing this to run for a position.

I know some people in it and they have every intention of running for a spot. Nothnig like writing the election laws to get yourself elected.

I read the OP and until you can be seen as legit in the eyes of the community this is pointless.

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TL; DR

So here is the truth of what this all is.

"lets create rules to get ourselves elected to it"

For us in the community to even think about taking you seriously you need to list everyone to participated. Then they need to come into this thread and tell us they are doing this to run for a position.

I know some people in it and they have every intention of running for a spot. Nothnig like writing the election laws to get yourself elected.

I read the OP and until you can be seen as legit in the eyes of the community this is pointless.

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Regardless of the intentions, anything resembling an advisory board should only be created by CCP when they feel the time is appropriate, if at all. If CCP felt that such an organization was necessary at this time, there already be one.

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Regardless of the intentions, anything resembling an advisory board should only be created by CCP when they feel the time is appropriate, if at all. If CCP felt that such an organization was necessary at this time, there already be one.

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This is kind of my view of the whole thing as well. I'd rather CCP dictate what they want the group to be and do, because the community "volunteers" who are spearheading this thing, I can't see doing it as more than trying to make it so they're included in the official one.

Can we plz to have a CPM whose political struggles (even to the point of naming specific parties but not others, which seems sloppily tactical) don't leak through into their introduction to the forum?

Having a schism in your organisation which can be expressed by Capitalised Titles and advertising the failure to agree on anything makes the DUST CPM seem about as much of a cohesive entity as the #dust514 channel.

By your intro post (was this the result of discussion with the rest of the group?) it seems less like an emergent discussion group and more like an attempt at asserting and advertising the positions of individual egos in the community (not to cast any aspersions on the membership, I'm sure some are involved because they're optimistic about the potential the idea has).

I'm interested because I'd like to be involved in discussions about the development of the game but I'm sceptical about the current function and future usefulness of this particular attempt.

That's a little unreasonable, I've spoken to Kain at length about this subject recently, quite a bit today too as i'm obviously kicking the hornets nest somewhat today but still, i don't get the impression that he's trying to pre-elect anything at all and i'm sure he'll say that himself and be able to prove it i hope.

I firmly believe that it's too early right now and that more than a single unified council is too much, why would we need 2 electoral bodys?

Questions that randoms who come across this thread might have, which I don't feel have been fully covered in the OP.

• What does CPM stand for?
• Disregarding contested elements, what is the group's stated function?
• Things like discussions over corp roles in DUST. If you're not an officially recognised group, what are these discussions but the same sort of speculation as already takes place on the forums and in the main IRC?
• Why should any of you be trusted with the development of the future council?

I've been the the IRC often recently, and I really can't say that I have even the most remote idea of who is members of this "CPM", and honestly, the is fine by me since that means I have no biased pre-conceptions for or against any of you (not that I am not for neutrality even at my own expense). I do have to say one thing...

If you guys want to re-invent your little club, how about you start by giving yourselves a name that actually doesn't feel so constrained and unoriginal. CPM (Council of Planetary Management), to me sounds very much like a rip-off name, as if it didn't take 3 second to come up with based on the idea already established by its inspiring organization, the CSM. Once you get past that, your reinvention might actually have some meaning, because you would actually look to have a name that actually makes you feel like you put effort into coming up with.

So, you get yourselves called "CPM", but what happens if (when?) DUST mercs suddenly start going to battle outside of planets (there's a huge thread with ideas involving battling inside space ships, space stations, wormhole space, etc)? Suddenly your name's meaning is worth nothing. There's also the fact that CSM as it stands covers pretty much planet interaction.

I am pretty sure I've said this over at IRC, but I honestly feel that this needs repeating. More over, I'm not saying this just because I don't like the name and all that, I also say it because I'd like to think from a lore point of view, and "lore" names that are different are far easier to remember.

I remember mentioning that, instead of using initialisms for the DUST council, one could use Acronyms. One could use an acronym that can be read as a one-syllable word (PIE) or even two syllables (CONCORD). I remember mentioning a few of these, altho somewhat in jest, but also with more emphasis on the individual rather than the whole...

MACH (Military/Mercenary Association of Cloned Humans) - This name is all about the DUST clone, their rules of engagement and the standardization of their equipment, treatment among other things. It's also a pun on the speed measures unit, which was meant as a representation of how fast I envisioned this group to be in acting upon the needs of those they sought to represent. Finally, it's a one-syllable word that rolls off the tongue, simple and elegant.

But that's just an example, and not necessarily something that you should consider ultimately, but would actually earn my respect if you do...

As for the actual topic...

I really don't care if the CSM and this organization end up being one entity or if they end up being two separate ones. I just want to have CCP understand that when something is wrong or inapropriate, it needs to be changed for the better.

AS for matters of election... well... that's not really for you or me to decide I guess. I'm certain CCP can figure this one out thmselves. But I think there has to be at least some discussion in finding ways to prevent "alt stacking" for council votes on DUST positions.