Who the hell is Cpt Awesome anyway and why have i never heard of him?...

Heh the self appointed leaders of dust requirement to rule: know how to use IRC and slap people with trout.

It all resembles a pack of old church hags getting together and electing a president of the decoration committee, oh I do hope Martha's roses are ready for Berthas funeral this saturday.... oh I know.

Oh I know

I'm in this channel, but I don't consider myself a part of this. I'm just keeping an eye on things.

(Because I'm a total information monger)


Honestly? I think that the gun has been jumped on this thing time and again.

When you ask them why they are there and what they are doing, the 3-4 people directly involved will all give you completely different answers. As admirable as Ironwolf's efforts are to keep the forums up to speed.. There's really nothing to bring people up to speed with until you even know what your group is even about.

There's been a half dozen posts and threads mentioning the CPM before now, and pretty much all of them painted it in a completely different picture than the last.


I originally joined the channel because I was told the goal was to allow people who wanted to establish themselves in the community, to help them get known if they were to ever run for CSM or whatever and I was curious who'd show up even if I had my doubts about its success. (Also to log everything they say, because I'm an infomonger)

Later, it was being spread that the purpose was to actually eventually become the official CSM.

Also being said, was that is was just a place for serious talks without the usual banter/trolling of the standard IRC channel to give higher quality feedback.



I'm still not entirely convinced the people involved in this have agreed on what they're even doing, so IMO it's far too early to be making a post like this.

I find that naming yourselves after the CSM gives me an impression of feigned legitimacy which is hard to look past.

Your raison d'+¬tre appears to be "helping to establish an actual council in the future"; a goal which could be satisfied just as well without wearing the council costume or declaring yourselves pre-council.

Starting a thread to say "we've established a group but we can't agree on what our purpose is" suggests that you're doing things backwards. The correct order of activities is to find like-minded fellows who share your aims and THEN start a group...

Sustaining an organisation at the cost of that organisation's cause is already a trap which a group can fall into. This seems even more of a danger when that organisation exists for its own sake before it even has a cause.

The guy who corralled me and others into the channel, I don't think he plays much though due to his job, however so far hes building a website and is doing a decent job of it and you can basically call him the founder and one of the more reserved voices of the group.

Captain Awesome is probably going to skin me for this since its a work in progress and not done.

http://cpm.neweden.co/

This idea is so premature that it didn't even make it past small talk over coffee.

Dust hasn't even finished the early stages of development as a game yet. We need massive improvements in corp management, and the state of the community before we're ready to start discussing sending a unified voice to CCP; And they would be foolish to listen to us.

Keep your trousers on and let the game get out of Beta first.

I understand where you are coming from, but Beta may end this summer.

I would rather be proactive then have a t20 incident occur to force the issue. The FPS community moves far to fast to survive something like that.

The biggest impediment to a new T20 was CCP's changes to the Internal Affairs division, not the introduction of the CSM. A better example would be the Jump Bridge nerf since that was the kind of sweeping game design mistakes we're worried about. And I'll remind you that happened at the instigation of an immature, unrepresentative, and unprepared CSM.

I understand where you are coming from, but Beta may end this summer.

I would rather be proactive then have a t20 incident occur to force the issue. The FPS community moves far to fast to survive something like that.

Proof that a bad council can be just as bad as bad developer decisions.

I would rather be proactive then have a t20 incident occur to force the issue. The FPS community moves far to fast to survive something like that.

TBH, Another t20 issue wouldn't force anything. Contrary to what some people say... The Eve CSM isn't a watchdog organization. They're a crowdsourcing feedback method. The implication of the CSM as a watchdog agency is a token PR gesture at best in response to a situation they were not really prepared to deal with. The real watchdog is CCP Interal Affairs, who now perform audits on a regular basis of all employee's activity on their dev and personal characters.. Last I heard, they full on delete any personal characters of a CCP employee if it becomes known to players that they work for CCP. (Though I'm not certain of that)


Something like t20 simply could not happen, and even if it did, CCP has systems in place to make it a relative nonissue aside from the relatively brief forum drama during which CCP says "Yeah some stuff happened, and we took action and removed all assets/gains related to whatever it was that happened, and are looking into further actions if necessary"


A stakeholder isn't meant to be a watchdog, it's meant to be a party with a direct interest in the success of a product. Implying the need for a watchdog essentially implies that CCP needs to be (or is vulnerable to being) bullied into action.

Cpt awesome needs to come to this thread and explain his actions to the community if he's the instigator behind all this.

Where are you cpt awesome? Why the silence? Come and answer my questions.

Yeah the previous voter turnouts for the CSM say anything only 10% seem to care about it at all. Most feel that its a useless organization.

There is of course the large number of alts that could suck with the population amount though however if one votes usually all the alts vote.

And this movement is laying the foundation for a bad council. Though I'm not terribly worried because CCP will ignore it for all the reasons my corpmate so eloquently stated above.

CPM is both from IRC and an ego fest and i wasnt invited in ?

Jerks !

he entire group's agenda

The entire group seems to disagree on whether it even exists and, if it does, what its agenda is.

That's true too.

Cpt awesome needs to come to this thread and explain his actions to the community if he's the instigator behind all this.

Where are you cpt awesome? Why the silence? Come and answer my questions.

ok I'm here, I'm also on IRC if you would rather talk there, but I assume here so everyone sees?

what would you like to know?

edit - still here (and on irc)