DUST Search - CPM Topic : WTF is the CPM? March 3/3

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Leither Yiltron wrote:

Captain-Awesome wrote:

5. public opinion of it is that it's a bunch of people that want a cool kids club
I think if that ever happens to be true, it will fail.

It is and it has.

Your entire "endeavor" is the product of a group of people getting swelled heads and completely failing to understand the key issues with Dust's development at the moment from a community standpoint.

If you want to create a fan site and an IRC channel that produces editorials and provides a place for conversation respectively, you're completely free to do so. We call that a "news site" (themittani.com) or a "community project" (#dust514). What you're not going to be able to do is create a "Council" of anything.

It's nothing less than almost unanimous public opinion that the timing isn't right for CCP to launch a Dust equivalent of the CSM. Without a voting process, no "Council" has the public legitimacy to match that group's functionality in any capacity. Trying to do so is wasting your time.

The real Dust community could use you Captain, and the others in that channel, down in the trenches working to get CCP to realize the real issues in Dust 514. Things like the lack of persistence, lack of content, the need for a market, expanded corporate management, and a suite of other things. Instead, you're just like The Black Jackel: wasting your time trying to do something that has no chance of succeeding its "aims".

Why do you think Immobile Infantry, Subdreddit, Dust Uni, PRO, GAC, 843, Zion, and many other large Dust communities aren't represented in your project? I can answer: Because they're actually off accomplishing both in-game management and community management goals within their own organizations. With the people that they trust.

That's what you should be doing as well. Look at that list of characters. 4 Imperfects guys.

This is just an extension of IMP's persistent and barely constructive forum spam. If you want respect and you want to accomplish something in the community, go mobilize IMP's to do something worthwhile with their forum time, rather than constantly barfing onto the front page. Make a community site and post editorials and blogs. Do something actually constructive. But above all, deflate your ego and try to consult some of the facts.

When Cerebral Wolf Jr is talking sense instead of of trolling and you're not seeing it, there's something deeply wrong with your core idea.

Well what's stopping you from joining?.


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Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2013.03.03 21:17:00 - [1] - Quote Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Cerebral Wolf Jr wrote: Its nice to see but i still think it's not an issue the community should be addressing. CCP will do it when the time is right and all this talk of multiple councils is just plain silly not to mention that a lot of this "CPM" was in place before the vast majority of the community was even aware of the CPM movement. Unfortunately, hopefully the new direction will get you guys more involved. Maybe if we get enough posts we can convince Kain and others to stop trying to pre-electoral the group and focus more on the community. That's a little unreasonable, I've spoken to Kain at length about this subject recently, quite a bit today too as i'm obviously kicking the hornets nest somewhat today but still, i don't get the impression that he's trying to pre-elect anything at all and i'm sure he'll say that himself and be able to prove it i hope. I firmly believe that it's too early right now and that more than a single unified council is too much, why would we need 2 electoral bodys? The really problematic part is where the developers for each game are. Most of Dust's on-the-ground guys are in Shanghai, while Eve is primarily based out of the traditional Iceland studio. It seems like a massive waste of time to bring 3-4 Dust514-centric representatives to Iceland to talk to Frame, LeKjart (still waiting for your forum presence, bro), and Null or whatever the 3-man-destiny-team is this year. When Dust hits primetime for CCP, it should be making more than enough income to justify a separate council with a separate flight, purely for these logistical reasons.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2013.03.05 22:50:00 - [2] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: 5. public opinion of it is that it's a bunch of people that want a cool kids club I think if that ever happens to be true, it will fail. It is and it has. Your entire "endeavor" is the product of a group of people getting swelled heads and completely failing to understand the key issues with Dust's development at the moment from a community standpoint. If you want to create a fan site and an IRC channel that produces editorials and provides a place for conversation respectively, you're completely free to do so. We call that a "news site" (themittani.com) or a "community project" (#dust514). What you're not going to be able to do is create a "Council" of anything. It's nothing less than almost unanimous public opinion that the timing isn't right for CCP to launch a Dust equivalent of the CSM. Without a voting process, no "Council" has the public legitimacy to match that group's functionality in any capacity. Trying to do so is wasting your time. The real Dust community could use you Captain, and the others in that channel, down in the trenches working to get CCP to realize the real issues in Dust 514. Things like the lack of persistence, lack of content, the need for a market, expanded corporate management, and a suite of other things. Instead, you're just like The Black Jackel: wasting your time trying to do something that has no chance of succeeding its "aims". Why do you think Immobile Infantry, Subdreddit, Dust Uni, PRO, GAC, 843, and many other large Dust communities aren't represented in your project? I can answer: Because they're actually off accomplishing both in-game management and community management goals within their own organizations. With the people that they trust. That's what you should be doing as well. Look at that list of characters. 4 Imperfects guys. This is just an extension of IMP's persistent and barely constructive forum spam. If you want respect and you want to accomplish something in the community, go mobilize IMP's to do something worthwhile with their forum time, rather than constantly barfing onto the front page. Make a community site and post editorials and blogs. Do something actually constructive. But above all, deflate your ego and try to consult some of the facts. When Cerebral Wolf Jr is talking sense instead of of trolling and you're not seeing it, there's something deeply wrong with your core idea.
Leither Yiltron KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 417	Posted - 2013.03.05 23:50:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Captain-Awesome wrote: 5. public opinion of it is that it's a bunch of people that want a cool kids club I think if that ever happens to be true, it will fail. It is and it has. Your entire "endeavor" is the product of a group of people getting swelled heads and completely failing to understand the key issues with Dust's development at the moment from a community standpoint. If you want to create a fan site and an IRC channel that produces editorials and provides a place for conversation respectively, you're completely free to do so. We call that a "news site" (themittani.com) or a "community project" (#dust514). What you're not going to be able to do is create a "Council" of anything. It's nothing less than almost unanimous public opinion that the timing isn't right for CCP to launch a Dust equivalent of the CSM. Without a voting process, no "Council" has the public legitimacy to match that group's functionality in any capacity. Trying to do so is wasting your time. The real Dust community could use you Captain, and the others in that channel, down in the trenches working to get CCP to realize the real issues in Dust 514. Things like the lack of persistence, lack of content, the need for a market, expanded corporate management, and a suite of other things. Instead, you're just like The Black Jackel: wasting your time trying to do something that has no chance of succeeding its "aims". Why do you think Immobile Infantry, Subdreddit, Dust Uni, PRO, GAC, 843, Zion, and many other large Dust communities aren't represented in your project? I can answer: Because they're actually off accomplishing both in-game management and community management goals within their own organizations. With the people that they trust. That's what you should be doing as well. Look at that list of characters. 4 Imperfects guys. This is just an extension of IMP's persistent and barely constructive forum spam. If you want respect and you want to accomplish something in the community, go mobilize IMP's to do something worthwhile with their forum time, rather than constantly barfing onto the front page. Make a community site and post editorials and blogs. Do something actually constructive. But above all, deflate your ego and try to consult some of the facts. When Cerebral Wolf Jr is talking sense instead of of trolling and you're not seeing it, there's something deeply wrong with your core idea. Well what's stopping you from joining?. The same thing stopping all the rational people from joining - better things to do with my time. It's my sincere hope that you guys can go back to your constituent groups and mobilize their community efforts. Those guys trust and know you. That's the key to actually getting your opinions expressed and conveyed to CCP in a way that makes them realize that more than 3 guys have the same opinion.