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Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.03 22:33:00 -
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I'm in this channel, but I don't consider myself a part of this. I'm just keeping an eye on things.
(Because I'm a total information monger)
Honestly? I think that the gun has been jumped on this thing time and again.
When you ask them why they are there and what they are doing, the 3-4 people directly involved will all give you completely different answers. As admirable as Ironwolf's efforts are to keep the forums up to speed.. There's really nothing to bring people up to speed with until you even know what your group is even about.
There's been a half dozen posts and threads mentioning the CPM before now, and pretty much all of them painted it in a completely different picture than the last.
I originally joined the channel because I was told the goal was to allow people who wanted to establish themselves in the community, to help them get known if they were to ever run for CSM or whatever and I was curious who'd show up even if I had my doubts about its success. (Also to log everything they say, because I'm an infomonger)
Later, it was being spread that the purpose was to actually eventually become the official CSM.
Also being said, was that is was just a place for serious talks without the usual banter/trolling of the standard IRC channel to give higher quality feedback.
I'm still not entirely convinced the people involved in this have agreed on what they're even doing, so IMO it's far too early to be making a post like this. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:39:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:
I would rather be proactive then have a t20 incident occur to force the issue. The FPS community moves far to fast to survive something like that.
TBH, Another t20 issue wouldn't force anything. Contrary to what some people say... The Eve CSM isn't a watchdog organization. They're a crowdsourcing feedback method. The implication of the CSM as a watchdog agency is a token PR gesture at best in response to a situation they were not really prepared to deal with. The real watchdog is CCP Interal Affairs, who now perform audits on a regular basis of all employee's activity on their dev and personal characters.. Last I heard, they full on delete any personal characters of a CCP employee if it becomes known to players that they work for CCP. (Though I'm not certain of that)
Something like t20 simply could not happen, and even if it did, CCP has systems in place to make it a relative nonissue aside from the relatively brief forum drama during which CCP says "Yeah some stuff happened, and we took action and removed all assets/gains related to whatever it was that happened, and are looking into further actions if necessary"
A stakeholder isn't meant to be a watchdog, it's meant to be a party with a direct interest in the success of a product. Implying the need for a watchdog essentially implies that CCP needs to be (or is vulnerable to being) bullied into action. |
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