1- Don't segregate

I use a Gamepad in my PC, why can't i use my mouse in the Console ?

Don't segregate, and improve JS with vehicles.

Stop farming likes

Edit: Trying to at least

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No likes for you.

I vote "5 - [facepalm]"


Show me where Cmdr Wang said "segregate," please. I fear you all are freaking out over someone putting words in his mouth.

Why u so mean to me undead???

I heart you!

Those 170 you got, ya that's cuz I see u post and auto like it.....

Jeeesh.

Lol I keed +9000!!!!! BTW I have questions I need to ask you are you going to be online tonight?

Don't. If kb/m is better, then use it. Personally I use a a combination of both, nav controller for movement & mouse for aiming & shooting. It's a 3rd party nav controller, so I can map the buttons. I know plenty of great players the use the DS3, & consistently do as good or better than me.

You read his quote?

[FEEDBACK] Controller and Kb/m gap - balancing the two control schemes.
Update: The dev team will compare turn speeds with kbm and controllers for both infantry and vehicles to see if there are inconsistancies. We are also planning to introduce Matchmaking improvemtns that will take controller input into account.

That I will, but not until 11pm pacific, at work atm......

Trolling the forums, aaah such a hard job I have, yes.

If not ill be on tomorrow afternoon to until 2pm pacific

Yes. Yes, I did.



This could just as easily mean they intend to make it so that one side of a match doesn't end up with 15 KB/M users, while the other has only DS3 controller users.
Instead, you stick seven of 'em here and eight there, et voila! A more balanced match.

The same sort of idea as preventing pub matches from having one side stacked with three squads of veteran corp players with a few randoms, while I'm in a squad with two or three other shmucks who are actually trying, but mostly languishing behind the red line trying to will the eight or more morons on my team to stop sniping with their goddamn starter fits, and actually get into the game.


I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong; I'm saying I don't know exactly what CCP has in mind, and no offense, but I don't really think you do, either. And in that light, I feel like all this is a colossal Glenn-Beck-esque pile of overreaction.

Kk ill shoot you a mail tonight around 1130pst cool?

Kk sounda good.

Btw imperfects suck. Have to keep up appearances and all that cant let everyone think we are friendly :D

Kk sounda good.

Btw imperfects suck. Have to keep up appearances and all that cant let everyone think we are friendly :D

worst troll ever

segregate, mouse and keyboard is training wheels for video games only thing mouse and keyboard should be allowed for is the commander role, depending on how it looks.

Agreed! It's WAY unbalanced, and there is no way to tweak/balance the two. It's a tactile thing. Aiming with mouse will ALWAYS be quicker and more precise than aiming with thumb/s.

Keyboard and mouse should have never even been an option in a console shooter. Definite advantage over using a pad and anyone who says otherwise is trying to stack the odds so they can continue to **** with kb&m. Let's have a level playing field in that respect at least, the game can already be pretty unbalanced when playing teams of people with a good few million skill points, but that's ok, biased control schemes isn't.

segregate, mouse and keyboard is training wheels for video games only thing mouse and keyboard should be allowed for is the commander role, depending on how it looks.

Oh jeez look its I.E. or indecent erection. Dont want to hear anything from you guys, I gave all my fucks away to protoman I have none left for you...... sorry :(

but you are full of it,when you see I.E in the thread then you run for the hills

KB have an advantage with tanks this is known.

My personal experience with KB on infantry movement is that its identical to ds3, there are those that argue its faster on kb, I say turn down the deadzone on the move controller options as that seems to have effect on the controls sticks of a ds3.

The main issue is mouse vs right stick, and even the major issue isnt the precision diffference, i know many players who can aim as precisely with a ds3 as they can a mouse, but mouse is easier(to a degree).

What makes mice powerful is they can allow for fast and minute movements in one setup. Ds3ers only avenue is senstivity, Turn it up all the way and you get faster turn(currently 100 stil gets outturned by mouse, that said the continous turning of a ds3=advantage on turning of turrets over mouse). Anyway there isnt a variable way to effect turn speed without affect cursor speed(therefore precision aim speed). The solution is balistics and/or quick turn option like a fast 180 option for ds3 to compensate. Also seperate Hip and ADS sensitivities.



That said a hori turbo controller with its adjustable selector on control sticks ~ same as adjustable dpi programmable mice. Point is you can't control everything, modded controllers are also a reality in most games but fortunately it seems that the burst/tac ar weapon recoils have eliminated that need, Though im curious why i havent seen anyone apply it to the burst HMG's yet because that would be some epic QQ tear collection and likely to result in a ban cause it would be hella obvious.

Point is the disparity b/w kb/m and ds3 isnt nearly as big as it is in PC land and are closer together than ppl think, there are of course exceptions and both inputs have a relative advantage/disadvantage over the other.

Fact is its a perception issue, most of the top players in this game are all DS3 currently and whether you want to believe that or not its truth.

The major real advantage of mouse over ds3 is turn speed especially 180. Its 3s vs 1ish second. Create a quick turn option and perhaps some sort of ballistic function so that if you are at the edges of your stick on the x-axis the velocity of the turn increases, then players can maintain a small senstivity to maintain precision on aim while still being able to make quick turns. (Problem solved).

Lol I do no such thing I just dont feel the need to talk to a corp who's stats are lower than my corps.

So I say good day!

Thats my response to it all.

+1

Honestly if CCP put effort into making the joystick more exact with the mouse, allow for more ds3 sens there wouldn't be a huge issue.

What'll happen prob, is mouse and kb will be toned down or segregated which makes no sense, since its the ds3's programming that makes a subtle difference.

My bro has 10. Kdr and only uses ds3.....

More OP then most mouse users imo lol.

who is your bro is the question?

Hahaha I love how you think CCP can actually do that.

Heres how it will go down.

Player un-plugs keyboard and mouse, player joins pub match of ds3 users, player plugs back in keyboard and mouse.

Player cleans up

This is a bit redundant.

The majority of Dust does not even use/read the forums.
This farce does not accurately represent the player base.


This is a PS3 game....use a PS3 Standard controller.

Yes. Yes, I did.



This could just as easily mean they intend to make it so that one side of a match doesn't end up with 15 KB/M users, while the other has only DS3 controller users.
Instead, you stick seven of 'em here and eight there, et voila! A more balanced match.

The same sort of idea as preventing pub matches from having one side stacked with three squads of veteran corp players with a few randoms, while I'm in a squad with two or three other shmucks who are actually trying, but mostly languishing behind the red line trying to will the eight or more morons on my team to stop sniping with their goddamn starter fits, and actually get into the game.


I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong; I'm saying I don't know exactly what CCP has in mind, and no offense, but I don't really think you do, either. And in that light, I feel like all this is a colossal Glenn-Beck-esque pile of overreaction.

If inputs are equivalent in terms of usefulness then why bother balancing KB/M users on either side of a match? Claiming that distributing players equally like this is necessary for balance is equivalent to claiming that having more of one type of input than the other is better.

But we shouldn't discuss the possibility of players being more likely to end up in matches with people using the same input?

Even when the system implicitly claims that the two aren't equal?

The claim that input type has balancing implications is more than enough reason to discuss whether or not people want segregation between inputs.

If either input is offering inherently better performance this is a control mechanic problem, not a match balancing problem. With functionally equivalent inputs we can balance on peoples' skill, rather than assumptions about how they got there.

Ok, it's time to clear up some misconceptions.

Despite the half quote by the OP which lead to the conclusion that this is to segregate the community by controller input types (which is not case), there are a lot of good feedback, and suggestions about this topic and this is exactly what we want to hear from you, our player community.

What we want to offer is a choice for players who want the option to play against other players using the same input device and not to force anyone into it, which doesn't make much sense as many others have pointed out. If this is implemented into the Matchmaking system it will be done in a way that will not force a segregation of players who use different control inputs. And if this is implemented we will still allow mixed control input matches. To reinterate, this is about giving more choices to our players and not taking it away from you.

One more thing I would like to add is that Matchmaking will only affect high sec public matches and will not affect null sec matches.

We will continue to fine tune the controller sensitivity levels and work on balancing the game play.

I vote 5. Get rid of the KB&M option.

Everyone is equal, everyone knows the score and CCP owns the decision to go console only.

The only reason it's been left in from the original development of the game on PC was as a olive branch to the bitter vets in Eve who absolutely think that consoles have NO business in New Eden affairs.

It's a waste of resources trying to balance multiple input devices. Just use the one that comes in the box with the PS3, the dualshock. When a KB&M and mouse comes standard with a PS3 then fine. Till then stick to the dualshock only option.

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and don't give noobs the option to play only against other noobs using controllers.
lame.

You read his quote?

Think about it for a second

Match making aka matching players up,

Based on control input, either KB/M or joystick.

Its pretty obvious imo.

Are you really sure, i think you can make a match with DS3 and KBM in same squad, they just make a system to try to put same control together you still can play with your friend with different controller

Dragging it here from another thread as I feel it needs to be said here as well.

I go back and forth between the two regularly as sometimes I'm too lazy to set up the KB/M. Currently, and in the past, except for one or two builds, I can tell you that the max turn rate on the mouse is the same as the max turn rate on the DS3.

DS3 controller gives me a finer gradient of control over movement and I aim fairly well with it as well.

KB/M I give up that fine movement control to get better aim control, well for me anyway. The mouse also has a bit of a disadvantage as when using one, I have to pick up and readjust the mouse as I'm making wide sweeps which causes my aim to pause for that fraction of a second. You don't have to deal with that when using the DS3 and I can tell because no-body has brought it up either.

Still, I personally know some people who are much better shots than I am and they use controllers. If you're whole issue is that I can put the dot on a pro sniper with my mouse just as easily as he puts the dot on me with the controller he's very familiar with, then your just prejudiced against KB/M or ignorant of it's limitation.

So quit making up crap like KB/M turns faster. it doesn't. Quit saying it has better movement controls, because it doesn't. The reason some of us do well with it is because it's what we're accustomed to just like many of you are accustomed to the DS3.

And finally quit whining just because people can do just as well with the KB/M as others are obviously doing with the DS3. Seriously, the smart people are seeing that there are those who are trying to cut down on how much serious competition is out there for the Elitist DS3ers.

Segregation wont work. What happens if I squad up using my kb/m with 3 corp mates with controllers? This would cause more harm than good.

I vote 5. Get rid of the KB&M option.

Everyone is equal, everyone knows the score and CCP owns the decision to go console only.

The only reason it's been left in from the original development of the game on PC was as a olive branch to the bitter vets in Eve who absolutely think that consoles have NO business in New Eden affairs.

It's a waste of resources trying to balance multiple input devices. Just use the one that comes in the box with the PS3, the duelshock. When a KB&M and mouse comes standard with a PS3 then fine. Till then stick to the duelshock only option.

If you use the inferior control scheme against a player of equal skill you deserve to lose.

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking.

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking. Additionally, this only applies to high security public matches and does not apply to null sec or corp matches.

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking. Additionally, this only applies to high security public matches and does not apply to null sec or corp matches.

There may have been no intent, but it's obvious that's what the result would be. Furthermore, no one wants it (a few loudmouths want KMB removed from the game, hardly the same thing). Ignoring your customers' feedback is a dangerous road to walk.

It's funny, the game was a lot better before Instant Battle even existed. I still see it as wasted resources, it's not adding positive gameplay at a rate that merits all the dev attention.

Yeah, I still think all the work being done on matchmaking is wasted resources. Give the good players something better to do than "pub stomp for SP" and you won't see us in high sec instant battles anymore, and suddenly no need for the matchmaking system because the skilled are off doing something more worthwhile.

Like many other people have said ; If you feel the need to make any sort of changes to matchmaking, it indicates the input methods are not balanced. Currently, the bugs where turn speed limits were un-nerfed for mouse/keyboard, and the keyboard speed bug for armor tanks are really the only things that are imbalanced regarding the input methods.

Fix these, and there is no reason whatsoever to have any sort of filter or matchmaking changes because there will be no difference in performance other than player preference.

It's really that simple.

Dont give us any more options , keep everything as a HUGE clusterfuck.

Let Kb/M users **** DS3 users so they can feel better since they cant **** Kb/M users as easy as DS3 ones.

Perhaps I should really **** people off and go hybrid control using left stick to move and mouse to turn and aim. Then I'd have the best of both worlds.

Wait... There are players already doing that. LOL

There's a problem with this. Manual reloading is awkward. So are interactions (hacking, climbing ladders) and things like jumping.

Hybrid control is awkward and restrictive. It gives a great combination of advantages, but it also has its own disadvantages.

Of course, it's better than the other hybrid option - keyboard movement, controller aim. Which I've also tried. If I could reshuffle a few buttons on the controller, it would probably be decent - though still not great.

Square: Tap to reload, hold to interact (hack, enter vehicle/turret, climb ladder)
Circle: Crouch
Triangle: Switch weapon
R2: ADS

Use everything else that's in easy reach while holding the controller in your right hand, and put the left hand on the WASD keys, and you've got basically all functions in easy reach. BUT you have the worst aim and the worst movement options. So it also doesn't give an advantage.

1- Don't segregate

I use a Gamepad in my PC, why can't i use my mouse in the Console ?

Well I'd still have the keyboard there. Tap "R" with my little finger or the curve of the controller to reload. Hold to "E" to interact. Middle mouse button actually brings up the wheel while scrolling the wheel switches weapons or hold caps lock to bring up the wheel.

As far as I can tell, the missing right side controller functions can be accessed with the keyboard with a touch or press of the left little finger.

I might try that out someday, but I think I'm a little too lazy and will just stick to KB/M.

I know you CAN do it - like I said, I HAVE done it. But it's not as easy, fluid or intuitive as either KB+M or the Sixaxis by itself.

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking. Additionally, this only applies to high security public matches and does not apply to null sec or corp matches.

...no intent to segregate players...a factor in matchmaking.

CCP just needs to balance them as there is greater range and speed of movement available with mouse over controller. Segregating would just be the first step in killing this game.

lets say that the segregation does happen, what will happen to players from the same corp who are using KB/M and the other half the controller and they are in one squad? will the squad get broken into two games now? what happens if it was a corp match will there be two matches?? i think its pretty pointless to do any segregating

How about they just have a sensitivity curve for the sticks that allow for fine control during aiming? I have played both and that is about the only thing I can think of that gives a mouse a little bit of an advantage.

Just to repeat what Cmdr Wang said in the other thread, there is no intent to segregate players because of controller used, only for it to play a factor in matchmaking. Additionally, this only applies to high security public matches and does not apply to null sec or corp matches.

3 make joystick as good as KB for vehicles

4 make joystick better then KB\M

The bottom 2 options are just kb/m joystick balancing.

...stick is painfully better for vehicles.... I crank my dpi on my mouse to max to use turrets and I still find myself picking up the pad to assist in turning.




Not sure if you know what "balance" means. But its certainly not making one thing better than another by default.