Agreed! It's WAY unbalanced, and there is no way to tweak/balance the two. It's a tactile thing. Aiming with mouse will ALWAYS be quicker and more precise than aiming with thumb/s.

Keyboard and mouse should have never even been an option in a console shooter. Definite advantage over using a pad and anyone who says otherwise is trying to stack the odds so they can continue to **** with kb&m. Let's have a level playing field in that respect at least, the game can already be pretty unbalanced when playing teams of people with a good few million skill points, but that's ok, biased control schemes isn't.

segregate, mouse and keyboard is training wheels for video games only thing mouse and keyboard should be allowed for is the commander role, depending on how it looks.

Oh jeez look its I.E. or indecent erection. Dont want to hear anything from you guys, I gave all my fucks away to protoman I have none left for you...... sorry :(

but you are full of it,when you see I.E in the thread then you run for the hills

KB have an advantage with tanks this is known.

My personal experience with KB on infantry movement is that its identical to ds3, there are those that argue its faster on kb, I say turn down the deadzone on the move controller options as that seems to have effect on the controls sticks of a ds3.

The main issue is mouse vs right stick, and even the major issue isnt the precision diffference, i know many players who can aim as precisely with a ds3 as they can a mouse, but mouse is easier(to a degree).

What makes mice powerful is they can allow for fast and minute movements in one setup. Ds3ers only avenue is senstivity, Turn it up all the way and you get faster turn(currently 100 stil gets outturned by mouse, that said the continous turning of a ds3=advantage on turning of turrets over mouse). Anyway there isnt a variable way to effect turn speed without affect cursor speed(therefore precision aim speed). The solution is balistics and/or quick turn option like a fast 180 option for ds3 to compensate. Also seperate Hip and ADS sensitivities.



That said a hori turbo controller with its adjustable selector on control sticks ~ same as adjustable dpi programmable mice. Point is you can't control everything, modded controllers are also a reality in most games but fortunately it seems that the burst/tac ar weapon recoils have eliminated that need, Though im curious why i havent seen anyone apply it to the burst HMG's yet because that would be some epic QQ tear collection and likely to result in a ban cause it would be hella obvious.

Point is the disparity b/w kb/m and ds3 isnt nearly as big as it is in PC land and are closer together than ppl think, there are of course exceptions and both inputs have a relative advantage/disadvantage over the other.

Fact is its a perception issue, most of the top players in this game are all DS3 currently and whether you want to believe that or not its truth.

The major real advantage of mouse over ds3 is turn speed especially 180. Its 3s vs 1ish second. Create a quick turn option and perhaps some sort of ballistic function so that if you are at the edges of your stick on the x-axis the velocity of the turn increases, then players can maintain a small senstivity to maintain precision on aim while still being able to make quick turns. (Problem solved).

Lol I do no such thing I just dont feel the need to talk to a corp who's stats are lower than my corps.

So I say good day!

Thats my response to it all.

+1

Honestly if CCP put effort into making the joystick more exact with the mouse, allow for more ds3 sens there wouldn't be a huge issue.

What'll happen prob, is mouse and kb will be toned down or segregated which makes no sense, since its the ds3's programming that makes a subtle difference.

My bro has 10. Kdr and only uses ds3.....

More OP then most mouse users imo lol.

who is your bro is the question?

Hahaha I love how you think CCP can actually do that.

Heres how it will go down.

Player un-plugs keyboard and mouse, player joins pub match of ds3 users, player plugs back in keyboard and mouse.

Player cleans up

This is a bit redundant.

The majority of Dust does not even use/read the forums.
This farce does not accurately represent the player base.


This is a PS3 game....use a PS3 Standard controller.

Yes. Yes, I did.



This could just as easily mean they intend to make it so that one side of a match doesn't end up with 15 KB/M users, while the other has only DS3 controller users.
Instead, you stick seven of 'em here and eight there, et voila! A more balanced match.

The same sort of idea as preventing pub matches from having one side stacked with three squads of veteran corp players with a few randoms, while I'm in a squad with two or three other shmucks who are actually trying, but mostly languishing behind the red line trying to will the eight or more morons on my team to stop sniping with their goddamn starter fits, and actually get into the game.


I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong; I'm saying I don't know exactly what CCP has in mind, and no offense, but I don't really think you do, either. And in that light, I feel like all this is a colossal Glenn-Beck-esque pile of overreaction.

If inputs are equivalent in terms of usefulness then why bother balancing KB/M users on either side of a match? Claiming that distributing players equally like this is necessary for balance is equivalent to claiming that having more of one type of input than the other is better.

But we shouldn't discuss the possibility of players being more likely to end up in matches with people using the same input?

Even when the system implicitly claims that the two aren't equal?

The claim that input type has balancing implications is more than enough reason to discuss whether or not people want segregation between inputs.

If either input is offering inherently better performance this is a control mechanic problem, not a match balancing problem. With functionally equivalent inputs we can balance on peoples' skill, rather than assumptions about how they got there.