Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.

There's hardly any motivation to skill into shotguns

Nerf Rock, Paper is fine.

Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.

I don't think they should nerf it, honestly.

Instead there should be a message that pops up every time you spawned with a shotgun that said:

"Warning:Shotguns are lame. By using one you acknowledge that you have no gun game and understand you will be teabagged as much a humanly possible."

On the real I wish they never put shotguns in the game, but since they did no use nerfing them. We'll all just have to deal with it and adjust. I don't really care if they nerf the militia shotgun or not, since would it really matter if they had to train the skill to level I and use a slightly more expensive gun?

Pretty sure you're just mad someone killed your more expensive suit with a shotgun.



a slight damage nerf (or one less pellet?) would probably be fair.

How many pellets do they have anyways?

This. There's hardly any motivation to skill into shotguns when the militia unit with Weaponry 5 (which most people now have) can one shot any non-heavy up close.

Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.

This is wrong. Ive shot pleanty of assault pro and adv players at 0-1 meters from behind and not even got to armour using a CR, chimera and a KH4M

they have too much range is the only issue really

many of you obviously do not understand how the range works. the highest range shotgun has 9 meter optimal when I am not mistaken, that is without skills.

the keyword here is OPTIMAL range. they also have like 30 meters falloff range. most fights are under 20 meters due to map design and a shotgun would still deal more than 50% of its damage at that range if you have invested into shotgun & sharpshooter skills. a logi, scout and some assault fits can be still 2 hit at range of 20 meters with a shotgun.

It's official now:

Every single weapon in the game is OP.

It's official now:

Every single weapon in the game is OP.

First match of the day I go 35-0 while feeling like a total wreck and in a logi suit. Almost all of my kills were OHK with no damage mods, I say nerf it to 30 damage or increase spread just like in the old days.

The range is a bit ridiculous. Damage over the range should be reduced, or the spread increased.

Militia shotgun is too good to be free also.

Militia and Level 1-2 could both use an increase in spread, everything else better be left intact.

It's not free, unless you buy the BPO.

let's face it, militia infantry gear is so dirt cheap it may as well be free.

I was under the impression that that was it's intended purpose

Oh yeah, let's go ahead and nerf the <20 meter range so that when we get on those 1km long maps those shotguns will be more balanced.

FFS, it's a SHOTGUN - it's a High Damage, Low Range weapon. Just because this is the first time you've ever seem them truly utilized in an FPS (Call of Duty discouraging their use as SMGs could go into ADS faster) doesn't mean they're over-powered.

You ever fired a REAL shotgun? They have a LOT more range than these things.

AR's SMG's Pistols Forge Guns

Are all balanced or even underpowered compared to the rest of the weapons in the game, low level smgs are terrible, same goes for single shot AR's

Not to offend any shotgun users or anything, but shotgun kills aren't hard to get. Its all about getting in that good distance to hit the target really hard. I know some players who stay behind walls, waiting for people to pass and BAM! Shotgunn'd the **** down. Thats not hard at all compared to me keeping a dead aim on a long distance target who is geared the **** up AND taking his ass down.

I'm fine with the shotgun. Sure, it pisses me off when I get one shotted, but I can already tell how a shotgun looks and when I see or hear that ****, I'm distancing myself from that area and taking over.

Oh, and I'm running assault type ll still working on my shields so i hope I can take a shotgun blow better than now. It's all good, though.

Not to offend any shotgun users or anything, but shotgun kills aren't hard to get. Its all about getting in that good distance to hit the target really hard. I know some players who stay behind walls, waiting for people to pass and BAM! Shotgunn'd the **** down. Thats not hard at all compared to me keeping a dead aim on a long distance target who is geared the **** up AND taking his ass down.

Oh yeah, let's go ahead and nerf the <20 meter range so that when we get on those 1km long maps those shotguns will be more balanced.

FFS, it's a SHOTGUN - it's a High Damage, Low Range weapon. Just because this is the first time you've ever seem them truly utilized in an FPS (Call of Duty discouraging their use as SMGs could go into ADS faster) doesn't mean they're over-powered.

You ever fired a REAL shotgun? They have a LOT more range than these things.

Funny you bring real life into it...

Ever fire a minigun in real life? It has zero spool time, deadly accurate, no spread.

You people are a bunch of hypocrites. Like seriously. "OH NO! DON'T NERF THE SHOTGUN!" then on the other hand "NERF THE HMG!!!"

You realize both guns serve the SAME PURPOSE in DUST? Both are CQC.

As an HMG user I can admit to a slight range nerf, and a heat build up nerf, but you shotgun users can never admit to a nerf.

Don't worry, when the HMG gets nerfed, the next OP bandwagon gonna be the shotgun.

Imps call and i say its an idiot call, best KDR are tank and AR, stop crying kids its boring

Tanks are way overpowered and that's been the case since the beginning of time.

What AR users have good kdrs that didnt play in closed beta, bet you can't name a single player with an AR thats putting up a high kid without a significant SP advantage...

HMG is fine

I'm sure you've never used one, otherwise you'll KNOW they're not "fine". Ideally I can also say they're fine cuz I use them, but I know their range is ridiculous when skilled into it, plus the heat build up.

I've used shotguns before the last reset, and they are also ridiculous. People just don't want to admit their weapon of choice needs a tweak. If that's the case then STFU about other weapons needing a tweak.

Yeah AR's have no recoil, HMG's have too much range, shotguns have too much dmg over range, sniper rifles are too easy for the dmg they do, LR's heat build up is a joke also.

^ They're ALL my opinions, but at least I've used every one of them to have a valid opinion.

I can admit my weapon of choice needs a tweak, how many of you out there can admit that?

Hypocrites.

If anything is OP like you said.... Dont need to buff them ;)

Funny you bring real life into it...

Ever fire a minigun in real life? It has zero spool time, deadly accurate, no spread.

You people are a bunch of hypocrites. Like seriously. "OH NO! DON'T NERF THE SHOTGUN!" then on the other hand "NERF THE HMG!!!"

You realize both guns serve the SAME PURPOSE in DUST? Both are CQC.

As an HMG user I can admit to a slight range nerf, and a heat build up nerf, but you shotgun users can never admit to a nerf.

Don't worry, when the HMG gets nerfed, the next OP bandwagon gonna be the shotgun.

Snip

When the **** did I say anything about the HMG in this thread? I've frequently advocated that the HMG is just fine the way it is - quit trying to turn me into something that you just made up for whatever point it is you're trying to make. Like, seriously, does anyone else see the absolute stupidity of this guys post in correlation to being a RESPONSE of mine?

I wish i knew, regardless, militia shotgun shouldn't be nerfed so hard that it can't ohk most thing's, one less pellet on militia idea intended so you have to get a good, cleaner shot to lay down enough alpha

When the **** did I say anything about the HMG in this thread? I've frequently advocated that the HMG is just fine the way it is - quit trying to turn me into something that you just made up for whatever point it is you're trying to make. Like, seriously, does anyone else see the absolute stupidity of this guys post in correlation to being a RESPONSE of mine?

Shucks, I was hoping you actually knew how many there were so we could calculate the actual total damage possible per shot. Anybody got this information?

you're brought real life into a VIDEO GAME....yet I'm the stupid one? LOOOOOL

Good one.

Balance > real life

you're brought real life into a VIDEO GAME....yet I'm the stupid one? LOOOOOL

Good one.

Balance > real life

Personnaly lance we will see what is OP when the proto come, its tough to said now the game is curently too easy but right now that take 3 chest shot to kill an assault well equiped i think is fine if i shot deeper its because i have sharpshooter prof 2

Can you name a shotgun player?

So you're high? I mean, come on - have YOU fired a minigun in real life?

And arguing that Balance > Real Life is a joke being as both of those weapons are perfectly fine just the way they are - to be honest your post is just so freaking mind boggling I'm not sure if you're wanting to nerf the HMG or were just flaunting your E-Peen in the wrong light trying to accuse me of wanting to nerf it; I honestly have no ****ing clue

Fact is, the Shotgun is a SPECIALIST weapon and if you put skills into it IT'S GOING TO BE DEADLY JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS GAME

You got shot because you're stupid and somehow it's over-powered? No. Here's why:

THE MAPS ARE FREAKING HUGE!!!! If you somehow got shot by a shotgun in the first place it can be NO-ONES FAULT BUT YOUR OWN!

I am tired of all this OP threads. Most people play AR an all we see is nurf the other guns.

Most of the AR user who says other gun are OP are possibly not well equiped/skilled.
I see well trained AR/shotgun/sniper user kill heavy without difficulties.
I see scout user get kill really quick when they don't achieve to attack from behind.

It's pretty hard to say something is OP when you don't even know what are the other guy's skills. He might use a cheap shotgun or whatever gun, but still have 3.5M SP behing it. You never know.

From the time you said Balance > real life is a joke i stopped reading.

You do realize this is not real life right? You do realize balance is what makes / breaks a game right?

You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

Im agree but perhaps lance only play ambush

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e31OSVZF77w

EDJUMACATE YOURSELF

people's problem is that they judge weapons from lolPublic games. How many people judge a weapon's performance against another corp?

Everyone judges stuff from playing against noobs. If people did judge in a corp game, then I guarantee you nobody would be crying over HMGs and all the QQ threads would be cut in half.

Who uses shotguns in corp battles? lol, it's all ARs and tanks.

The fact that you said that shows you haven't played many corp matches against good teams / players.

Names bro, give me names of people who use shotguns in corp battles. I'll wait.

First match of the day I go 35-0 while feeling like a total wreck and in a logi suit. Almost all of my kills were OHK with no damage mods, I say nerf it to 30 damage or increase spread just like in the old days.

The fact that you said that shows you haven't played many corp matches against good teams / players.

I use shotgun in CB

How about you tell me and not link a video, because I can also link someone else's video and do this all day.

Fact is it's a videogame, and if balance wasn't in, then it will only take 1 bullet to kill people in every FPS.

And do you regularly kill people who've already spotted you? Or did you catch most of them off guard?

HMGs are getting nerfed this time around. Wait until next build to start crying about shotguns. HMGs counter class is broken atm so HMG being OP is a much bigger problem. Whats the counter for scouts? LOL its both heavy and assault classes. Yet the crybaby heavies will cry about shotguns when every other class has several counters.

Fatty tears are tasty.

Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.

if you can't close the gap on the person shooting you before they just up and leave than what's the point?

Honestly, this is what separates a good heavy from a crap heavy at this point. (Jury is out as to which camp I fall into...)

The players who know how to get into position before pulling the trigger will do just fine even if they nerf HMG range.

The weapon is not CQC weapon.

If it was, it it would have the range of an SMG.

Nerfing the range to force it to become a CQC weapon is just plain stupid honestly.

The weapon is not CQC weapon. If it was, it it would have the range of an SMG. Nerfing the range to force it to become a CQC weapon is just plain stupid honestly.

It might not be currently, but that's the crux of the complaint.

Everything about the suit/weapon combination makes it extremely effective and balanced in CQC range. [i]If[/] it's overpowered at all, it's because it does well in the mid-range.




Which if it's nerfed, it'll end up closer to this.



Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit?

A.) It's a HMG.... Not an automatic Shotgun....
B.) Statement, rather than a response.
C.) Go play a Heavy in Manus Peak and you'll notice those negatives in a hurry.

Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit?

Hence forth if they nerf the Shotgun we might as well all be using ******* Nova Knives.

I'm starting to think that's what they want.

I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ****, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's f*ck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG.

Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well?

No you are right. Heavies should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right?

Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.

LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it.

Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it.

Still slower than an assault rifle. I'm also curious as to where you get this information? It usually takes me 3 hits to kill anything that isn't within 10 feet of me, and no, I didn't miss.

Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious.

cool story bro. assuming equal skills in tank and damage, the only suit that would die in 3 hits to an assault rifle is an militia scout suit, and only if you headshots in between and if the scout suit has no single tank mod fitted.

Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious.

If they reduce the range on the HMG the only thing that would make it better than the AR is the fire-rate, which is just slightly more than twice what it is.

INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH

The HMG does HALF the damage of the AR. Thereby, you'd be making it a shorter ranged Assault Rifle with a big magazine and a really slow user.

Thereby, you're just complaining.

And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP.

And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP.

SMG and Dropship are hard mode.

zion scrub.

You sound a lot like a scrub yourself.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub

You sound a lot like a scrub yourself.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub

I understand the perfect imbalance issues better then most people. Can you make another idiotic assumption please?

No you are right. HMGs should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right?

Watch your mouth, necromonger.

HMGs are being looked into yo idiot. aka getting nerfed. Shotguns will be the new OP once the heavies start crying. Do some research before calling someone an idiot, zion scrub.

And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP.

First match of the day I go 35-0 while feeling like a total wreck and in a logi suit. Almost all of my kills were OHK with no damage mods, I say nerf it to 30 damage or increase spread just like in the old days.

Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.

Very much THIS^

I was in a logi suit with 650 total HP and got one shotted by a militia shotgun. That's too much isk lost to a gun that doesn't even cost 1k.

I want to say I read 12 once, but the forum search is lacking, cant find anything

Chribba, where is dust-search.com? The masses need that yellow bar.

Future will see Might tie it into EVE-Search instead of making a whole new site for it, still looking into it all.

/c

To be fair the shotgun either 1 hit kills someone or it goes full ****** and does 2 damage despite a point blank shot ._.

OMG nerf everything CCP then these OP threads will stop, make everyone run around in militia gear for a week or so and i bet these threads stop. You DEV's gotta be getting sick of these... LOL

Shot gun works as intended. Close range you die. Shoot them from afar they die.

(i dont have a scout) but do have an Alt with an HMG and if a scout gets me in close im fine with it. Mind u if i get them b4 they get me i dont wanna hear any crying.

Play the game get better and quit crying.

CCP do the militia idea. dont matter to me I did fine after every reset, at least its about skill/tactics/brains/B@lls for like a week after a reset, b4 all the no lifeing myself included. LOL