The range is a bit ridiculous. Damage over the range should be reduced, or the spread increased.

Militia shotgun is too good to be free also.

Militia and Level 1-2 could both use an increase in spread, everything else better be left intact.

It's not free, unless you buy the BPO.

let's face it, militia infantry gear is so dirt cheap it may as well be free.

I was under the impression that that was it's intended purpose

Oh yeah, let's go ahead and nerf the <20 meter range so that when we get on those 1km long maps those shotguns will be more balanced.

FFS, it's a SHOTGUN - it's a High Damage, Low Range weapon. Just because this is the first time you've ever seem them truly utilized in an FPS (Call of Duty discouraging their use as SMGs could go into ADS faster) doesn't mean they're over-powered.

You ever fired a REAL shotgun? They have a LOT more range than these things.

AR's SMG's Pistols Forge Guns

Are all balanced or even underpowered compared to the rest of the weapons in the game, low level smgs are terrible, same goes for single shot AR's

Not to offend any shotgun users or anything, but shotgun kills aren't hard to get. Its all about getting in that good distance to hit the target really hard. I know some players who stay behind walls, waiting for people to pass and BAM! Shotgunn'd the **** down. Thats not hard at all compared to me keeping a dead aim on a long distance target who is geared the **** up AND taking his ass down.

I'm fine with the shotgun. Sure, it pisses me off when I get one shotted, but I can already tell how a shotgun looks and when I see or hear that ****, I'm distancing myself from that area and taking over.

Oh, and I'm running assault type ll still working on my shields so i hope I can take a shotgun blow better than now. It's all good, though.

Not to offend any shotgun users or anything, but shotgun kills aren't hard to get. Its all about getting in that good distance to hit the target really hard. I know some players who stay behind walls, waiting for people to pass and BAM! Shotgunn'd the **** down. Thats not hard at all compared to me keeping a dead aim on a long distance target who is geared the **** up AND taking his ass down.

Oh yeah, let's go ahead and nerf the <20 meter range so that when we get on those 1km long maps those shotguns will be more balanced.

FFS, it's a SHOTGUN - it's a High Damage, Low Range weapon. Just because this is the first time you've ever seem them truly utilized in an FPS (Call of Duty discouraging their use as SMGs could go into ADS faster) doesn't mean they're over-powered.

You ever fired a REAL shotgun? They have a LOT more range than these things.

Funny you bring real life into it...

Ever fire a minigun in real life? It has zero spool time, deadly accurate, no spread.

You people are a bunch of hypocrites. Like seriously. "OH NO! DON'T NERF THE SHOTGUN!" then on the other hand "NERF THE HMG!!!"

You realize both guns serve the SAME PURPOSE in DUST? Both are CQC.

As an HMG user I can admit to a slight range nerf, and a heat build up nerf, but you shotgun users can never admit to a nerf.

Don't worry, when the HMG gets nerfed, the next OP bandwagon gonna be the shotgun.

Imps call and i say its an idiot call, best KDR are tank and AR, stop crying kids its boring

Tanks are way overpowered and that's been the case since the beginning of time.

What AR users have good kdrs that didnt play in closed beta, bet you can't name a single player with an AR thats putting up a high kid without a significant SP advantage...

HMG is fine

I'm sure you've never used one, otherwise you'll KNOW they're not "fine". Ideally I can also say they're fine cuz I use them, but I know their range is ridiculous when skilled into it, plus the heat build up.

I've used shotguns before the last reset, and they are also ridiculous. People just don't want to admit their weapon of choice needs a tweak. If that's the case then STFU about other weapons needing a tweak.

Yeah AR's have no recoil, HMG's have too much range, shotguns have too much dmg over range, sniper rifles are too easy for the dmg they do, LR's heat build up is a joke also.

^ They're ALL my opinions, but at least I've used every one of them to have a valid opinion.

I can admit my weapon of choice needs a tweak, how many of you out there can admit that?

Hypocrites.

If anything is OP like you said.... Dont need to buff them ;)

Funny you bring real life into it...

Ever fire a minigun in real life? It has zero spool time, deadly accurate, no spread.

You people are a bunch of hypocrites. Like seriously. "OH NO! DON'T NERF THE SHOTGUN!" then on the other hand "NERF THE HMG!!!"

You realize both guns serve the SAME PURPOSE in DUST? Both are CQC.

As an HMG user I can admit to a slight range nerf, and a heat build up nerf, but you shotgun users can never admit to a nerf.

Don't worry, when the HMG gets nerfed, the next OP bandwagon gonna be the shotgun.

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When the **** did I say anything about the HMG in this thread? I've frequently advocated that the HMG is just fine the way it is - quit trying to turn me into something that you just made up for whatever point it is you're trying to make. Like, seriously, does anyone else see the absolute stupidity of this guys post in correlation to being a RESPONSE of mine?

I wish i knew, regardless, militia shotgun shouldn't be nerfed so hard that it can't ohk most thing's, one less pellet on militia idea intended so you have to get a good, cleaner shot to lay down enough alpha

When the **** did I say anything about the HMG in this thread? I've frequently advocated that the HMG is just fine the way it is - quit trying to turn me into something that you just made up for whatever point it is you're trying to make. Like, seriously, does anyone else see the absolute stupidity of this guys post in correlation to being a RESPONSE of mine?

Shucks, I was hoping you actually knew how many there were so we could calculate the actual total damage possible per shot. Anybody got this information?