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Alldin Kan
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 13:57:00 -
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First match of the day I go 35-0 while feeling like a total wreck and in a logi suit. Almost all of my kills were OHK with no damage mods, I say nerf it to 30 damage or increase spread just like in the old days. |
Anndy Dusty
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:00:00 -
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i think the damage is fine but the range is a bit ridiculous, a bigger spread or just range nerf would be nice |
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
151
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:02:00 -
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Only the militia is op, the rest are fine. |
Snaps Tremor
Tritan-Industries
Legacy Rising
41
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Posted - 2013.02.18 14:47:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.
This. There's hardly any motivation to skill into shotguns when the militia unit with Weaponry 5 (which most people now have) can one shot any non-heavy up close. Rather than nerfing the high end, shotguns need the bottom end of the range drawn out to make upgrading worthwhile. |
Scoot Medic
ZionTCD
Legacy Rising
50
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:09:00 -
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CRG-3 and anything higher needs to stay as is, anything lower needs a damage nerf. |
DigiOps
DUST University
Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:12:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:There's hardly any motivation to skill into shotguns
I agree. :D |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
63
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:21:00 -
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Scissors wrote:Nerf Rock, Paper is fine.
Pretty sure you're just mad someone killed your more expensive suit with a shotgun.
Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.
a slight damage nerf (or one less pellet?) would probably be fair. |
Iron Wolf Saber
BetaMax.
2866
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:24:00 -
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I know they rented a chinese dragon costume and put viking shields all over it and gave it a viking helmet. |
Laurent Cazaderon
Villore Sec Ops
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:30:00 -
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Been discussed many many times.
Militia shotgun is just like any other militia weapon. So, it either mean it's fine or all militia weapon should have lower damage than their T1 equivalent.
Also, you may have OHK a lot of people with very little SP amount and thus very low HP.
At the moment, most weapons are fine imo. No nerf are needed, just slight adjustments. Let's stop with the sledgehammer. |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
171
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:32:00 -
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Yea...that 5 meter range is OP??? Do you guys know the stats of weapon before you ask for the hammer? If you do not...it is in the training ground section and done quite well.
Your grenade has more spread...geez. |
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Paran Tadec
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
902
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Posted - 2013.02.18 15:46:00 -
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this heavy says shotguns are fine. |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:04:00 -
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I don't think they should nerf it, honestly.
Instead there should be a message that pops up every time you spawned with a shotgun that said:
"Warning:Shotguns are lame. By using one you acknowledge that you have no gun game and understand you will be teabagged as much a humanly possible."
On the real I wish they never put shotguns in the game, but since they did no use nerfing them. We'll all just have to deal with it and adjust. I don't really care if they nerf the militia shotgun or not, since would it really matter if they had to train the skill to level I and use a slightly more expensive gun? |
Mocha Biscotti
Red Star.
10
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:08:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:I don't think they should nerf it, honestly.
Instead there should be a message that pops up every time you spawned with a shotgun that said:
"Warning:Shotguns are lame. By using one you acknowledge that you have no gun game and understand you will be teabagged as much a humanly possible."
On the real I wish they never put shotguns in the game, but since they did no use nerfing them. We'll all just have to deal with it and adjust. I don't really care if they nerf the militia shotgun or not, since would it really matter if they had to train the skill to level I and use a slightly more expensive gun?
Shotguns require the ability to get close, so strafing or sneaking, and you do have to get the circle on the person.
Are you not smart enough to figure out "move away from the guy trying to charge me, he probably has a shotgun." ?
I'm pretty sure this is a case of intelligent play here.
Or in the case of objective defenders.... Grenades to flush us out... |
Tbone322
D3ath D3alers
RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:08:00 -
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Citrutex wrote:Scissors wrote:Nerf Rock, Paper is fine. Pretty sure you're just mad someone killed your more expensive suit with a shotgun. Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Only the militia is op, the rest are fine. a slight damage nerf (or one less pellet?) would probably be fair.
How many pellets do they have anyways? |
Citrutex
The High and Mighty
63
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:14:00 -
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Tbone322 wrote:How many pellets do they have anyways?
I wish i knew, regardless, militia shotgun shouldn't be nerfed so hard that it can't ohk most thing's, one less pellet on militia idea intended so you have to get a good, cleaner shot to lay down enough alpha |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:18:00 -
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Shotguns are fine.
Its the only gun in the game (I think) that doesn't get a damage boost from its skills, and requires a heavy skill, investment to be usable. |
Twitch Nixon
That's Unfortunate
1
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:26:00 -
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Shotgun is fine. Once you hear the kickball, just be on guard around corners. If you don't let the scout get within 20m of you, it's not really an issue. |
Coleman Gray
Coalition Of Goverments
47
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:29:00 -
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they have too much range is the only issue really |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group
Gallente Federation
282
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:29:00 -
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Snaps Tremor wrote:Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Only the militia is op, the rest are fine. This. There's hardly any motivation to skill into shotguns when the militia unit with Weaponry 5 (which most people now have) can one shot any non-heavy up close.
This is wrong. Ive shot pleanty of assault pro and adv players at 0-1 meters from behind and not even got to armour using a CR, chimera and a KH4M
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Assi9 Ventox
The Hellspawned
2
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:37:00 -
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Vermaak 'Fatal' Kuvakei wrote:Only the militia is op, the rest are fine.
All militia weapons should have .01% jam rate and a .005% chance to explode if it jams. That would spice things up a bit.  |
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Citrutex
The High and Mighty
63
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:38:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:This is wrong. Ive shot pleanty of assault pro and adv players at 0-1 meters from behind and not even got to armour using a CR, chimera and a KH4M
Probably more due to poor hit detection than 'not enough damage coming out of the barrel' |
lDocHollidayl
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
171
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:47:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:they have too much range is the only issue really
Read the thread...5 meters? too much? |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
92
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:49:00 -
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It's official now:
Every single weapon in the game is OP. |
Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
71
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Posted - 2013.02.18 16:58:00 -
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many of you obviously do not understand how the range works. the highest range shotgun has 9 meter optimal when I am not mistaken, that is without skills.
the keyword here is OPTIMAL range. they also have like 30 meters falloff range. most fights are under 20 meters due to map design and a shotgun would still deal more than 50% of its damage at that range if you have invested into shotgun & sharpshooter skills. a logi, scout and some assault fits can be still 2 hit at range of 20 meters with a shotgun. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
244
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:26:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:many of you obviously do not understand how the range works. the highest range shotgun has 9 meter optimal when I am not mistaken, that is without skills.
the keyword here is OPTIMAL range. they also have like 30 meters falloff range. most fights are under 20 meters due to map design and a shotgun would still deal more than 50% of its damage at that range if you have invested into shotgun & sharpshooter skills. a logi, scout and some assault fits can be still 2 hit at range of 20 meters with a shotgun.
Still slower than an assault rifle. I'm also curious as to where you get this information? It usually takes me 3 hits to kill anything that isn't within 10 feet of me, and no, I didn't miss. |
TheMarkOf22
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
41
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:27:00 -
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they all have far too much range, when fully leveled it's like a sniper... |
TheMarkOf22
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
41
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:29:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:It's official now:
Every single weapon in the game is OP.
AR's SMG's Pistols Forge Guns
Are all balanced or even underpowered compared to the rest of the weapons in the game, low level smgs are terrible, same goes for single shot AR's |
Altina McAlterson
TRUE TEA BAGGERS
362
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:31:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:It's official now:
Every single weapon in the game is OP.
Didn't think nova knives made the list yet.
But yea. once I saw people saying the scrambler pistols were OP I knew we were ******. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
641
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:33:00 -
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The range is a bit ridiculous. Damage over the range should be reduced, or the spread increased.
Militia shotgun is too good to be free also.
People complain about the HMG range being too much, but with the spread it has it basically shoots spitballs at range...not shotguns. Both are suppose to be CQC weapons, yet all the tears are directed mainly at the HMG...smh. |
Morathi III
Rebelles A Quebec
57
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Posted - 2013.02.18 17:36:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:First match of the day I go 35-0 while feeling like a total wreck and in a logi suit. Almost all of my kills were OHK with no damage mods, I say nerf it to 30 damage or increase spread just like in the old days.
I can kill militia dropsuit easily but need 3+ bullet against proto, i think is fine, can imps stop said anythink is OP except their AR, plz stop |
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