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Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:06:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote: A.) It's a HMG.... Not an automatic Shotgun.... B.) Statement, rather than a response. C.) Go play a Heavy in Manus Peak and you'll notice those negatives in a hurry.
A.) If they were going to accurate to real life, HMG would be instapwn at all ranges under all conditions. Current miniguns can saw a tank in half. B.) True enough. C.) I do. Every day. It's balanced. And if they nerf the range, I'd do about the same. |
NeoShocker Kaminari
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:07:00 -
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I dunno about you guys, but I eat shotgunners for breakfast, especially as a heavy. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:12:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:
Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit?
I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ****, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's f*ck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG.
Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:18:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Hence forth if they nerf the Shotgun we might as well all be using ******* Nova Knives. I'm starting to think that's what they want.
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Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
1003
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:20:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Hence forth if they nerf the Shotgun we might as well all be using ******* Nova Knives. I'm starting to think that's what they want.
AR/Mass Driver vs Nova Kni- CALL OF DUTY: EVE ONLINE |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:21:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:
Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit?
I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ****, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's f*ck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG. Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well? No you are right. HMGs should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:26:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Disturbingly Bored wrote:
Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit?
I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ****, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's f*ck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG. Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well? No you are right. Heavies should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right?
Did I say I wanted that? No, I said that's what I have to deal with. Just like I have to deal with multiple kids and their AR's trying zerg rush the objectives I'm defending. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:32:00 -
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Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it.
ARs should outrange HMGs. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:35:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it.
Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:37:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious. |
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Jack McReady
A.C.M.E Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:41:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Jack McReady wrote:many of you obviously do not understand how the range works. the highest range shotgun has 9 meter optimal when I am not mistaken, that is without skills.
the keyword here is OPTIMAL range. they also have like 30 meters falloff range. most fights are under 20 meters due to map design and a shotgun would still deal more than 50% of its damage at that range if you have invested into shotgun & sharpshooter skills. a logi, scout and some assault fits can be still 2 hit at range of 20 meters with a shotgun. Still slower than an assault rifle. I'm also curious as to where you get this information? It usually takes me 3 hits to kill anything that isn't within 10 feet of me, and no, I didn't miss. cool story bro. assuming equal skills in tank and damage, the only suit that would die in 3 hits to an assault rifle is an militia scout suit, and only if you headshots in between and if the scout suit has no single tank mod fitted.
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:43:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious.
Point out where I complained about my roll? I'm complaining about people trying to nerf my roll because they're to lazy/stupid to learn how to counter it. I'm not the 1 who wants to 1v1 everything, assaults are.
Jack McReady wrote: cool story bro. assuming equal skills in tank and damage, the only suit that would die in 3 hits to an assault rifle is an militia scout suit, and only if you headshots in between and if the scout suit has no single tank mod fitted.
3 Shots with a shotgun, not AR, at a distance greater than 10 feet. |
Aeon Amadi
Maverick Conflict Solutions
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:45:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious.
If they reduce the range on the HMG the only thing that would make it better than the AR is the fire-rate, which is just slightly more than twice what it is.
INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH
The HMG does HALF the damage of the AR. Thereby, you'd be making it a shorter ranged Assault Rifle with a big magazine and a really slow user.
Thereby, you're just complaining. |
Fiddlestaxp
Sil3nt Assassins
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:50:00 -
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I'm sure you realize that the mass driver is a hard counter to shotgunners. You have the Freedom, I've seen it! Can we go back to complaining about HMGs and AV gernades? If anything nerf low end shotguns and buff high end ones. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 21:54:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious. If they reduce the range on the HMG the only thing that would make it better than the AR is the fire-rate, which is just slightly more than twice what it is. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH The HMG does HALF the damage of the AR. Thereby, you'd be making it a shorter ranged Assault Rifle with a big magazine and a really slow user. Thereby, you're just complaining. And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:09:00 -
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I'm ok with starter and high end weapons getting more differnce in power. Not a buff to high end weapons, but a nerf to low end weapons makes sense to me. The difference just isn't great enough.
Also damage mods will get fixed soon.
But yeah standard and militia shotguns should be weaker *can one shot other miltiia setups but not heavies* then the breach shotgun has a role, and there is a reason to skill into shotguns |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:10:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Crimson Moon V wrote:Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that.
LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious. If they reduce the range on the HMG the only thing that would make it better than the AR is the fire-rate, which is just slightly more than twice what it is. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH The HMG does HALF the damage of the AR. Thereby, you'd be making it a shorter ranged Assault Rifle with a big magazine and a really slow user. Thereby, you're just complaining. And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP.
How can something be the NEW op when nothing was changed yo idoit, it's a shotgun it killed people close range DUH. Some people are really bad at this game.
Also the HMG does way more damage than the AR |
Disturbingly Bored
Universal Allies Inc.
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:12:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:And a huge hitbox unlike the AR. HMG is easy mode. The range is getting nerfed. Time to get over it and move on crybabies. Shotgun is the new OP.
AR, HMG, Shotgun, Laser, Sniper, Grenades, Heavy, Assault, and HAV are easy mode.
Scrambler, Mass, Forge, LAV, Logi, Scout, explosives are pro mode.
SMG and Dropship are hard mode. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:14:00 -
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Disturbingly Bored wrote:
SMG and Dropship are hard mode.
Don't forget Nova Knives. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:16:00 -
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HMGs are being looked into yo idiot. aka getting nerfed. Shotguns will be the new OP once the heavies start crying. Do some research before calling someone an idiot, zion scrub. |
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Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:21:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote: zion scrub.
You sound a lot like a scrub yourself.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:23:00 -
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I won't care if they get nerfed, but I see it as a stupid and pointless move. |
Fiddlestaxp
Sil3nt Assassins
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:25:00 -
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We should probably wait for shotguns to be "the new OP" before we crown them and throw a party and ****. Let's see what else is in the next patch. They might give LAZAR RIFLE a secondary fire that makes it good up close. You never know. Or an equipment that makes you explode on death!
As it stands there is no shotgun turret on a tank so I'm not that concerned about shotguns. |
Crimson Moon V
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:30:00 -
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I understand the perfect imbalance issues better then most people. Can you make another idiotic assumption please? |
Fiddlestaxp
Sil3nt Assassins
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:33:00 -
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Watch your mouth, necromonger. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:38:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:I understand the perfect imbalance issues better then most people. Can you make another idiotic assumption please?
Oh, you understand it? Then quit acting like you don't and quit saying stupid ****. We get it, HMG's will probably get nerfed, and then other things will probably get nerfed in response to that, now shut up.
Crimson Moon V wrote: No you are right. HMGs should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right?
What was that about idiotic assumptions? |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:39:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote: Watch your mouth, necromonger.
Get me a mirror and I'll gladly stare at myself, better than reading some of the BS some people are spouting. |
crazy space 1
ZionTCD Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:42:00 -
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Crimson Moon V wrote:HMGs are being looked into yo idiot. aka getting nerfed. Shotguns will be the new OP once the heavies start crying. Do some research before calling someone an idiot, zion scrub. UM... last words from the devs were that HMG were getting a buff and spin up time |
Fiddlestaxp
Sil3nt Assassins
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:43:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:[quote=Sloth9230] Watch your mouth, necromonger. Get me a mirror and I'll gladly stare at myself, better than reading some of the BS some people are spouting. You could actually play the game. If unable to do that you could be helping people in the Training Ground forum. You aren't helping here. Nobody is forcing you to post or read posts on the forum. What you are doing is far worse than what you are complaining about. |
Sloth9230
Reaper Galactic
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:47:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote: Watch your mouth, necromonger.
Get me a mirror and I'll gladly stare at myself, better than reading some of the BS some people are spouting. You could actually play the game. If unable to do that you could be helping people in the Training Ground forum. You aren't helping here. Nobody is forcing you to post or read posts on the forum. What you are doing is far worse than what you are complaining about.
I'm complaining about people suggesting pointless nerfs, because as I just said, they're pointless and uncalled for. Somehow me complaining about nerfs got turned into me wanting buffs, which I never once suggested.
But you're right, spending anymore time on this thread would be pointless and a waste of time. +1 to you for showing me the light. |
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