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Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:26:00 - [1] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: many of you obviously do not understand how the range works. the highest range shotgun has 9 meter optimal when I am not mistaken, that is without skills. the keyword here is OPTIMAL range. they also have like 30 meters falloff range. most fights are under 20 meters due to map design and a shotgun would still deal more than 50% of its damage at that range if you have invested into shotgun & sharpshooter skills. a logi, scout and some assault fits can be still 2 hit at range of 20 meters with a shotgun. Still slower than an assault rifle. I'm also curious as to where you get this information? It usually takes me 3 hits to kill anything that isn't within 10 feet of me, and no, I didn't miss.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:43:00 - [2] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: The range is a bit ridiculous. Damage over the range should be reduced, or the spread increased. Militia shotgun is too good to be free also. Militia and Level 1-2 could both use an increase in spread, everything else better be left intact. It's not free, unless you buy the BPO.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 17:51:00 - [3] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: let's face it, militia infantry gear is so dirt cheap it may as well be free. I was under the impression that that was it's intended purpose
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:24:00 - [4] - Quote GetShotUp wrote: Not to offend any shotgun users or anything, but shotgun kills aren't hard to get. Its all about getting in that good distance to hit the target really hard. I know some players who stay behind walls, waiting for people to pass and BAM! Shotgunn'd the ** down. Thats not hard at all compared to me keeping a dead aim on a long distance target who is geared the ** up AND taking his ass down. You're right, it is easy, but that's only because the vast majority of players don't pay attention to their surroundings/radar, especially snipers. I can usually kill 3-4 people in a group before they ever notice I was there, it's embarrassing really.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:53:00 - [5] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Snip They're all fine. And shotguns do do significantly less damage out of their optimal range. Also not sure why people insist on the HMG being a CQC weapon? Obviously they're not supposed to be. That you want to turn them into CQC weapons is a different story. Aeon Amadi wrote: When the **** did I say anything about the HMG in this thread? I've frequently advocated that the HMG is just fine the way it is - quit trying to turn me into something that you just made up for whatever point it is you're trying to make. Like, seriously, does anyone else see the absolute stupidity of this guys post in correlation to being a RESPONSE of mine? lol
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 18:55:00 - [6] - Quote Stupid double post.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 19:11:00 - [7] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: you're brought real life into a VIDEO GAME....yet I'm the stupid one? LOOOOOL Good one. Balance > real life Prototype > Militia Window <<<< Balance
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 19:28:00 - [8] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Personnaly lance we will see what is OP when the proto come, its tough to said now the game is curently too easy but right now that take 3 chest shot to kill an assault well equiped i think is fine if i shot deeper its because i have sharpshooter prof 2 people's problem is that they judge weapons from lolPublic games. How many people judge a weapon's performance against another corp? Everyone judges stuff from playing against noobs. If people did judge in a corp game, then I guarantee you nobody would be crying over HMGs and all the QQ threads would be cut in half. Who uses shotguns in corp battles? lol, it's all ARs and tanks.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 19:32:00 - [9] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: Morathi III wrote: Personnaly lance we will see what is OP when the proto come, its tough to said now the game is curently too easy but right now that take 3 chest shot to kill an assault well equiped i think is fine if i shot deeper its because i have sharpshooter prof 2 people's problem is that they judge weapons from lolPublic games. How many people judge a weapon's performance against another corp? Everyone judges stuff from playing against noobs. If people did judge in a corp game, then I guarantee you nobody would be crying over HMGs and all the QQ threads would be cut in half. Who uses shotguns in corp battles? lol, it's all ARs and tanks. The fact that you said that shows you haven't played many corp matches against good teams / players. Names bro, give me names of people who use shotguns in corp battles. I'll wait.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 19:39:00 - [10] - Quote Morathi III wrote: I use shotgun in CB And do you regularly kill people who've already spotted you? Or did you catch most of them off guard?

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 20:52:00 - [11] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: if you can't close the gap on the person shooting you before they just up and leave than what's the point? Honestly, this is what separates a good heavy from a crap heavy at this point. (Jury is out as to which camp I fall into...) The players who know how to get into position before pulling the trigger will do just fine even if they nerf HMG range. The weapon is not CQC weapon. If it was, it it would have the range of an SMG. Nerfing the range to force it to become a CQC weapon is just plain stupid honestly.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:12:00 - [12] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit? I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ***, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's fck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG. Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well?
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:18:00 - [13] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Hence forth if they nerf the Shotgun we might as well all be using ******* Nova Knives. I'm starting to think that's what they want.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:26:00 - [14] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Why? Because it forces you to account for the negatives of the Heavy suit? I already have to deal with the negatives of being a heavy. I can't move/strafe for ***, and I'm a giant target. I've seen assault suits dance around the battlefield, heavies are a snipers wet dream. The instant a heavy tries to run from a fight, he's fck'ed. They have no choice but to soak up damage and try to deal more out at the same time, hence the HMG. Heavy suits are best used for QCQ where they can force 1 on 1s, that doesn't mean the same has to apply to their weapons. Are we going to nerf Forge Guns, so they're only effective point blank, as well? No you are right. Heavies should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right? Did I say I wanted that? No, I said that's what I have to deal with. Just like I have to deal with multiple kids and their AR's trying zerg rush the objectives I'm defending.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:35:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that. LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 21:43:00 - [16] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: Maybe if you speced into something that had a deeper skill pool you wouldn't have to deal with that. LOL at you for using a 1 demensional class and then complaining about it. Your troll-fu is weak and obvious. Breathing is OP, you should stop doing it. Not trolling. Just pointing out the obvious. Point out where I complained about my roll? I'm complaining about people trying to nerf my roll because they're to lazy/stupid to learn how to counter it. I'm not the 1 who wants to 1v1 everything, assaults are. Jack McReady wrote: cool story bro. assuming equal skills in tank and damage, the only suit that would die in 3 hits to an assault rifle is an militia scout suit, and only if you headshots in between and if the scout suit has no single tank mod fitted. 3 Shots with a shotgun, not AR, at a distance greater than 10 feet.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:14:00 - [17] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: SMG and Dropship are hard mode. Don't forget Nova Knives.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:21:00 - [18] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: zion scrub. You sound a lot like a scrub yourself. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:23:00 - [19] - Quote I won't care if they get nerfed, but I see it as a stupid and pointless move.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:38:00 - [20] - Quote Crimson Moon V wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Crimson Moon V wrote: zion scrub. You sound a lot like a scrub yourself. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Scrub I understand the perfect imbalance issues better then most people. Can you make another idiotic assumption please? Oh, you understand it? Then quit acting like you don't and quit saying stupid **. We get it, HMG's will probably get nerfed, and then other things will probably get nerfed in response to that, now shut up. Crimson Moon V wrote:** No you are right. HMGs should be able to force 1 vs 1 from across the map with a 5000 dps bonus. Get a grip kid. Your kidding right? What was that about idiotic assumptions?

Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:39:00 - [21] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Watch your mouth, necromonger. Get me a mirror and I'll gladly stare at myself, better than reading some of the BS some people are spouting.
Sloth9230 Reaper Galactic 244	Posted - 2013.02.18 22:47:00 - [22] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: Sloth9230 wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: Watch your mouth, necromonger. Get me a mirror and I'll gladly stare at myself, better than reading some of the BS some people are spouting. You could actually play the game. If unable to do that you could be helping people in the Training Ground forum. You aren't helping here. Nobody is forcing you to post or read posts on the forum. What you are doing is far worse than what you are complaining about. I'm complaining about people suggesting pointless nerfs, because as I just said, they're pointless and uncalled for. Somehow me complaining about nerfs got turned into me wanting buffs, which I never once suggested. But you're right, spending anymore time on this thread would be pointless and a waste of time. +1 to you for showing me the light.