Ah another build fatigue post. Well, what can you do? You can either spit at ccp for not delivering new content to the game/fixing stuff quicker or deal with it and just wait :D If they say that dust office is like 3x smaller than eve office I kinda understand how they don't really have that many resources to push stuff forward harder like in eve.

I guess what i trying to say is : CCP, focus in the FPS balance, before you do anything else.


Peace

People who have no experience as game developers complaining about the game development of DUST 514. Sounds good man.

People who have no experience as game developers complaining about the game development of DUST 514. Sounds good man.

People who have no experience as game developers complaining about the game development of DUST 514. Sounds good man.

CCP has spent a lot of time just trying to produce the game we see.

The game we see is pretty sad.

Small maps, small player counts, flat weapons/armor and ZERO metagame.

Why is this game worth playing?

Right now, I can't really come up with a reason other than my corpmates.

GetGoodGäó CCP.

alright im already tiered of this thread. if CCP is saying they want to bump it up to 24 player matches and if they say their gonna increase their dust team by a factor of 5, then they are gonna do it. They are probably getting all their **** ready for fanfest. This isnt trearch, this isnt bungee, this isnt ****-ing infinityward this is CCP. if you dont want to play the first FPS to actually have a meaning, not just random shooting with no emphasis on teamwork and absolutly no skill required then go back to playing those games! we are still in beta so before you go bashing this game atleast wait until it launches and the maps are huge games are 100 v 100 there is pve and over 10 different game modes. Please give some constructive feedback, otherwise CCP will just ignore you

alright im already tiered of this thread. if CCP is saying they want to bump it up to 24 player matches and if they say their gonna increase their dust team by a factor of 5, then they are gonna do it. They are probably getting all their **** ready for fanfest. This isnt trearch, this isnt bungee, this isnt ****-ing infinityward this is CCP. if you dont want to play the first FPS to actually have a meaning, not just random shooting with no emphasis on teamwork and absolutly no skill required then go back to playing those games! we are still in beta so before you go bashing this game atleast wait until it launches and the maps are huge games are 100 v 100 there is pve and over 10 different game modes. Please give some constructive feedback, otherwise CCP will just ignore you

This should be called the chicken little thread. Geez fanboys and fanatics are so high strung. One day you'll praise and rant gleefully about the game and then another freak out like a damn meteor is rocketing towards the planet. I'm pretty sure game developer scope far extends the average patience of a gamer.

This should be called the chicken little thread. Geez fanboys and fanatics are so high strung. One day you'll praise and rant gleefully about the game and then another freak out like a damn meteor is rocketing towards the planet. I'm pretty sure game developer scope far extends the average patience of a gamer.

Aside from some light joking I'm not bashing anyone, but I've seen alot of good games take alot of time to make them polished. Sometimes even years after their release. I know it's bulls**t to release an unfinished product, but sadly it's very common, and afterall how much does this game cost?

Aside from some light joking I'm not bashing anyone, but I've seen alot of good games take alot of time to make them polished. Sometimes even years after their release. I know it's bulls**t to release an unfinished product, but sadly it's very common, and afterall how much does this game cost?

As stated , thats its a free game does not mean you can deliver anything then good quality.

EDIT: An addendum about the communication issues. This is really a tricky thing to comment on. To be completely honest, it does seem like CCP is trying hard to listen to the community. The problem is, they listen to us too much but never seem to hear what we are saying. They've allowed player complaints to dictate the direction of the game to the point where they've never really focused on their own plans, or that's the way it seemed. Best example : People said grouping was important. Instead of just giving us squads to let us play with four of our friends, they rushed to give us corporations with incomplete functionality fairly earlier on than they planned... instead of working on the core gameplay. Grouping and corps definitely improved the social aspects of the game which was a much needed breath of life at that point, but it still didn't change the fact that all it really added was that you could play (what still remains) a barebones game with your couple hundred closest friends four at a time.

CCP has a pretty awesome plan for the long term with dust. Anyone who's read anything about Dust from CCP can see that. The problem here is... They don't seem to actually have anything for the short term, or it changes wildly with every build. There is a serious lack of direction in making those plans actually happen. They don't seem to know what to focus on, so the bouncing from plan to plan ends up hindering development overall. CCP does need to listen to its community, but they need to pick and choose what they listen to more carefully. They need to not let players completely change their plans except in the more dire of circumstances. Make a plan. Stick with it. Make minor adjustments as needed. CCP can afford to go more free-form after all the necessary and basic features are in the game. Right now though, the absolute best thing CCP can do is to just focus on the core experience. We've had months of stability and backend changes. Now it's time to make the frontend shine. (And I'm not talking about graphics) That said... CCP can't get tunnel vision. I know that sounds like a mixed message, but that's been the problem this entire development cycle. They get so caught up working on fixes that they seemingly stop working on newer stuff. No matter what, there always needs to be tangible forward progress.

There's just really not much excuse for the lack of delivery on even the most basic of stated plans so far. If they honestly can't focus on doing current content fixes along with the addition of new content... They need to hire more people for these teams to accommodate that. Plain and simple. The current pace of development has been languid at best. As much as I love the CCP guys I've had the chance to talk to.. I have to believe they can do better.

Yay!

Nova Knife has criticisms and DUST will fail unless their own personal list of entitlements is implemented.

Surprise! No, not surprised at all.

TL;DR
QQ, Kitten Breath is at it again.

To clarify : I am not saying dust is going to fail. I am saying that Dust does not and probably will not have that 'timeless' quality that makes a FPS game great enough to have a huge chunk of players till playing it a decade later

People who have no experience as game developers complaining about the game development of DUST 514. Sounds good man.

I agree completely about the lack off progress and issues with the balancing. I've been playing the beta since November and all the problems I noticed the first time I played are still there today.

One of my favourite PS3 games is MAG. I started playing MAG in the early days of the MAG beta and boy did it have problems, problems similar to Dust like balancing, controls. But unlike CCP and Dust Zipper was paying attention to the feedback, communicating with the community, and making real visible changes that greatly improved the game. MAG, the team at Zipper, and community were so great, I wish Dust was half as good. Shame Sony shut down Zipper.

They are obviously delaying this game as long as possible and launching on PS4 with the whole F2P thing. However that doesn't change the fact that this game hasn't had any noticeable improvements since E3 which is sad.

You have finally made it to the club. You and I have disagreed very much in the past and I still think your self important attitude was detrimental to this game. Listening to the podcast and your questions about plans that are 5 years off made me Chuckle. Judging by this post though, you didn't believe in the questions you were asking. Why didnt you ask these question s about lack of progress and build after build of mundane or outright bad FPS gameplay?

You were too busy thinking you were making a difference by monopolizing the communication with CCP. I would go as far to say that your pestering helped confuse them about what needed to be fixed in the first place. Grideris still doesn't have a clue, he's probably dreaming about the next eve ship interaction with dust instead of actual FPS dynamics.

Oh nova knife. We tried so hard to tell you but it fell on deaf fanboy ears. You reap what you sow now.

Wow I atcually read ALL of that, and agree with alot of what you say.

Even tho Im bad for Trolling myself I think itd be a good Idea to ease up on the Troll posts and when someone does cry "NERF IT" or "ITS OP" we as a cummunity need to be more civil and descriptive with why said thing is not OP or why said thing is OP.


This is a Beta after all and we are the ones the Devs are looking to for Information so maybe they would hear us out more if we posted feedback worth hearing.

Wow, huge thread and (mostly) great responses. Acting like adults seems to be something more common around here and for that, I am glad.

On the subject, one part of me wants to say: "trust CCP, they will deliver eventually". The other part is asking the same questions that have been asked in this thread.

I am personally eager for new content more than I am eager to see the core mechanics "fixed". However, it really has to be a delicate balance of both:

No new content = Bored players
No fixes to the core gameplay = Frustrated players

There is no "one must be done first and done right" in my opinion, because changes to the core game will be minimal to newcomers and vets alike in terms of entertainment value. And if the core mechanics remain as they are people won't want to play with the new content.

Hopefully I won't get criticised for being a newcomer but just in case I will let it be known that I have played Dust for the past five months and have only recently become a member of the forums.

Aside from some light joking I'm not bashing anyone, but I've seen alot of good games take alot of time to make them polished. Sometimes even years after their release. I know it's bulls**t to release an unfinished product, but sadly it's very common, and afterall how much does this game cost?

Something I had forgotten to mention in my rather lengthy post back a bit ... something that Mr. Imp Smash indirectly reminded me of.

If anyone feels up to it, I'd recommend giving last year's FanFest clips a look. More notably the ones involving DUST and even more specifically the one titled "Seeding The Universe"
Close to the end of the clpi, Atli (the creative director) says something rather interesting

"... And it's more about creating a system that allows us to pile on top of it these ingredients..."

This was a response to a question about whether or not they'd implement differences in gravity and atmospheric conditions depending on the planets we dusters were fighting on, and whether or not these changes would affect our gameplay.

You can check out the question and the response here starting at 36:37.

Now think about that for a sec. What they're trying to do is build a core system first THEN start adding all these awesome features once they build a base that can support all these features.

Once again, CCP and the Dev team need to give us what they promised to give us in regards to this game, but we players need to have faith in that team and give them the time necessary to deliver that to us. We wouldn't want the game to collapse because we overload it with too many features now would we?

You want constructive?

Let me put it as bluntly as possible CCP.

Your game should play like CoD.

WoW!, hold on...no CoD. I don't think that will fit into this game.

I will say more like "Star Wars: Battlefront 2" the concept is more similar to Dust 514. And to be honest, i can't see a Battlefront 3 coming any time soon, so that door is right open.

quote the entire meaning of what I meant when I said CoD or don't quote it at all.

CoD makes you forget that you have a controller in your hands.

That's why it is the MOST SUCCESFUL FPS to date.

CoD can be the most shallow game ever.... but it works because it feels great to run around and shoot things in it.

Now imagine something like CoD with some actual DEPTH! Instead of just a brainless K/D stroking contest.

quote the entire meaning of what I meant when I said CoD or don't quote it at all.

CoD makes you forget that you have a controller in your hands.

That's why it is the MOST SUCCESFUL FPS to date.

CoD can be the most shallow game ever.... but it works because it feels great to run around and shoot things in it.

Now imagine something like CoD with some actual DEPTH! Instead of just a brainless K/D stroking contest.

Chill out dude, it's just a beta.

It was in beta for over a year and it barely improved.
Yeah, I don't think we should chill.
Everyone can access it, there will be no reset and CCP has full microtransactions that won't be refunded after the beta.
You might as well call it the full game that isn't finished.

Totally unrealistic in so many ways.
Does it not say at the top of the screen when it's loading BETA-Work in Progress?
Whoopee f*****g doo you've been playing a beta for a year and it's not complete. It may be a beta for another year, ever consider that?

Think of it like this, this game is meant to work along side another MMO. One which has already been out many years (7+ right?)
The timeline for release, development, and new features is going to be far stretched no matter what the damn podcasts say. You don't have to believe me, but keep up all of the naive expectations of insta product if you want.

I mentioned earlier it's a free game by choice, and of course someone gives the predicted response of something "that's not an excuse." No, it's not an excuse it's just a fact. The fact being that it doesn't have huge funding. Anyone with some real life experience knows that money makes things happen much faster. So since it's free, and a beta, and only been open beta for a few weeks I'm pretty sure the actual time line for this game is barely touched upon.

Here's what will go down with the unchill crowd: You'll complain and make all sorts of accusations about CCP and all of their family members, you'll stop playing and claim the game to be dead. Then some time down the road when it's no longer a beta, has been developed, worked upon, and expanded with numerous patches, everyone who abandoned it will come back and talk about how much of an influence they were on the game because they played it when it was a closed beta s**t talked it and abandoned it.

I charge for reading anyone else's future

Think of it like this, this game is meant to work along side another MMO. One which has already been out many years (7+ right?)
The timeline for release, development, and new features is going to be far stretched no matter what the damn podcasts say. You don't have to believe me, but keep up all of the naive expectations of insta product if you want.

I mentioned earlier it's a free game by choice, and of course someone gives the predicted response of something "that's not an excuse." No, it's not an excuse it's just a fact. The fact being that it doesn't have huge funding. Anyone with some real life experience knows that money makes things happen much faster. So since it's free, and a beta, and only been open beta for a few weeks I'm pretty sure the actual time line for this game is barely touched upon.

Totally unrealistic in so many ways.
Does it not say at the top of the screen when it's loading BETA-Work in Progress?
Whoopee f*****g doo you've been playing a beta for a year and it's not complete. It may be a beta for another year, ever consider that?

Think of it like this, this game is meant to work along side another MMO. One which has already been out many years (7+ right?)
The timeline for release, development, and new features is going to be far stretched no matter what the damn podcasts say. You don't have to believe me, but keep up all of the naive expectations of insta product if you want.

I mentioned earlier it's a free game by choice, and of course someone gives the predicted response of something "that's not an excuse." No, it's not an excuse it's just a fact. The fact being that it doesn't have huge funding. Anyone with some real life experience knows that money makes things happen much faster. So since it's free, and a beta, and only been open beta for a few weeks I'm pretty sure the actual time line for this game is barely touched upon.

Here's what will go down with the unchill crowd: You'll complain and make all sorts of accusations about CCP and all of their family members, you'll stop playing and claim the game to be dead. Then some time down the road when it's no longer a beta, has been developed, worked upon, and expanded with numerous patches, everyone who abandoned it will come back and talk about how much of an influence they were on the game because they played it when it was a closed beta s**t talked it and abandoned it.

I charge for reading anyone else's future

This is pretty much a bump.

I've dug into the progress of this game a little, since the concept explained in the videos from CCP was enough to get me on board. Several years of development, and yet the game I play when I log on this week is not even remotely close to what has been described. It's so far off, it is a case of over promising, under delivering. Some would call it expectation management. This has been going on for years.

At this point, the final product would have to be as different as night and day to deliver on even than half of what they've promised.

The present build is playable, horribly imbalanced, with bad gameplay, very little variation of gameplay, no scope, little incentive to continue playing and a pretentious connection to EVE. But it's playable. That is a sad state of affairs for how long this has been going. I don't know how people have hung on as long as they have because I'm already board. I hang on because of the promised scope etc... But how long will people continue to play if that's the only thing keeping them going, and CCP consistently fails to deliver?

I agree 100% with Novas post.

The core game is sadly lacking. Essentially we are playing a demo of 4 maps and 2 game modes...in the open beta.

Something is very wrong.

Lots of people who wern't in the closed beta are still on "omg this is awesome" mode, gathering huge corps of player together. There is a very real possibility that in a months time they'll start asking "now what" and we'll still be playing the four same stupid maps with the same weapons and no immersion, larger game or promised PVE content.