No they are not.

You just need to work with a decent squad protecting your tanks - and have decent gunners who have skilled into turret skills.

Just because you lost your tank doesn't mean AV is op. If you got solo'd by an AV guy (and not by an AV team) you should ask yourself how did you get into that position.

Also, balance isn't done based how much isk something costs versus something else. Or how much you lost.

I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

so basically you are racking up lots of kills in your tank, and moaning when you get killed once ?

I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

Av grenades are ridicuolusly powerful. A clone, Av grenade and a nanohive is all it takes to destroy a tank that has Shield+Armor of 10K. This is bull-****. I invest tons of ISK and all my SP and someone who nearly has never invested SP on AV destroys my 680,000 ISK worth tank. Sure people that dont use tanks would not want those things nerfed because it is the easy way out.
CCP NERF THE AV GRENADES AND REMOVE MILITIA SWARMS..
AND people are still talking about attaching swarms to LAVs.

BOZ MR wrote:
I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

Then stop QQing...

AV is fine.
Tanks are fine.

The purpose of a fully equipped tank with good turret buddies is meant to be a terrifying thing on the field of battle that shreds ARetards who rush in and attempt to machine gun it and hit it with Locus grenades.

The purpose of 2 players with swarm launchers is to make that extremely well fitted tank driver go "Oh no no no nonnononononoooOOOOOOOO!!!!" before realizing his team assumes the tank is invincible and don't help it.

Even in WW2 the worst place for a tank to be is in an open area surrounded by people who can pick it apart when its looking the wrong way. I've watched tanks roll across open ground fully equipped with the driver definitely thinking he was comin to be the boss. Then swarms of swarms (swarms squared?) rush in from every direction at every distance and shred the thing to pieces before he makes even a bit of difference

I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

The purpose of a fully equipped tank with good turret buddies is meant to be a terrifying thing on the field of battle that shreds ARetards who rush in and attempt to machine gun it and hit it with Locus grenades.

The purpose of 2 players with swarm launchers is to make that extremely well fitted tank driver go "Oh no no no nonnononononoooOOOOOOOO!!!!" before realizing his team assumes the tank is invincible and don't help it.

Even in WW2 the worst place for a tank to be is in an open area surrounded by people who can pick it apart when its looking the wrong way. I've watched tanks roll across open ground fully equipped with the driver definitely thinking he was comin to be the boss. Then swarms of swarms (swarms squared?) rush in from every direction at every distance and shred the thing to pieces before he makes even a bit of difference.

Final point; Tanks are investments. Make sure you have a squad that knows this. 1 Sniper protecting against long range swarm launchers and 1 assault guy who will run around those pipes to mow down grenade throwers will make sure your shiny investment continues to pay off.

Now, I may not have much experience with AV grenades, but I can say that militia swarms are next to useless against tanks (I use mine mostly as a scare tool).

Now, I see that the people who are claiming that tanks are too easy to kill seem to be running them solo, then saying that having boots on the ground won't help.

There are good reasons that boots on the ground will help, especially against AV Naders. Tanks can't swivel their turrets, even blaster turrets, fast enough to counter an unexpected threat. This gives the AV trooper plenty of time to huck grenades. This is where friendly infantry come in. They can kill any ambusher before said enemy has enough time to kill your tank. Even if they can't kill him, then they are enough of a distraction to make the ambusher focus on them instead of you.

I've had some experience running tanks, and my experiences have proven this to be true. When my tank spearheads a push to reclaim an objective, my tank provides an initial distraction which allows my team to approach relatively unmolested. The groundpounders then repay the favor by killing the AV and using their presence force the defenders into Anti-Infantry fits, to keep them from taking the objective.

Conversely, if I drive alone into a densely terrained area, there isn't enough time for me to bring my turret to bear in the time it takes for an infantryman to appear and sprint under my guns.

LoL. I don't think my gunners can kill a guy who is hiding behind a cover and constantly tossing av grenades.
Either you want to get easy kills or;
[[[[ You basically have no idea about tanks and AV grenades. Use one, encounter with an AV grenade dude and come back.]]]]]
BTW:
I was entering city (still approaching) with my tank where my infantry support was and a guy hiding between pipes used basic AV grenades which finds its way to tank magically and a nanohive. He destroyed my armor tank which has 1100 shield and 7K armor before I could even go back with the reps open.

WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Bounty notice posted on the general Discussion Forum.

Run while you can tanker.

Tanks need nerfed because you went 56-0.

I have went 56-0 and know how to play and fit tanks. I am playing since open beta and have 2,600 ish kill with 3.2 KD. So stop writing comments as if I am noob and do not know how to play.

No AV vs HAV is not fine.

AV is balanced with the other variations of AV its just that HAV resistances at the moment are rubbish, this is what CCP should look at not AV balance, you shouldnt be able to solo a HAV user that knows what they are doing but it happens.

Any smart AV user throws the grenade over the HAV so the hit detections is at the opposite side to the AV user, that way the HAV driver has the wrong idea where its coming from and will most likely try to escape in your direction leading to an easy kill.

Only people that say AV is fine are the ones using it.

(also nerf armor tanks they are OP and buff shields)

You guys are going way off topic, just because its possible to go 50-0 in a tank doesnt make it OP. Snipers can do that also.

The fact is HAV are underpowered compared to the easily available AV. Basic AV does 1200 damage an ADV tank will maybe have 5k-6k HP thats 5 hits? you carry 3 AV nades all you need is a nanohive, you get 3 shots in a militia forge you only have to reload once, you only have to catch the tank off guard and its a free kill.

I barely skimmed this thread, but the OP gave me a great idea. Wouldn't it be cool if I could fit packed AV shells into my Mass Driver?

Av grenades are ridicuolusly powerful. A clone, Av grenade and a nanohive is all it takes to destroy a tank that has Shield+Armor of 10K. This is bull-****. I invest tons of ISK and all my SP and someone who nearly has never invested SP on AV destroys my 680,000 ISK worth tank. Sure people that dont use tanks would not want those things nerfed because it is the easy way out.
CCP NERF THE AV GRENADES AND REMOVE MILITIA SWARMS..
AND people are still talking about attaching swarms to LAVs.

I barely skimmed this thread, but the OP gave me a great idea. Wouldn't it be cool if I could fit packed AV shells into my Mass Driver?

Why AV grenades are unfair...

Wait, isn't this New Eden?

You know, the home of the Minmatar?

The guys who routinely put nuclear warheads in bullets to kill things with?

And you wonder how AV nades can threaten a tank?

Oh boy. I hear the "fanboy" retorts coming over the hills.

It's actualy true though. they put nuclear warheads on EVERYTHING related to ammo/explosives.

Makes you wonder why the Heavy Machine Gun isn't more powerful =P

Yeah because you do not want newbies to cry, destroy a good tank driver with a little to no investment solo. Good job and better appreciation of balance

because the rounds are hybrid rounds. it's hard to explain but it's basicly a normal round with plasma in it. putting a nuclear warhead would be extreamly hard to do. and with Minmatar being more tribal (and lower tech) and all, impossable.

Dust 514 : Pooping On A Tank With AV Grenades

http://youtu.be/VYSFlrBs0s4

O_o Source?

HMG is Minmatar, I figured...

Are you kidding? The resistances on the tanks a few builds ago was RIDICULOUS and they were nigh impossible to kill.

The fact they use "plasma rounds" means that it's a Hybrid weapon. also, i never said that Minmatar made the HMG, just that it's more likely the reason why HMG dose less damage. the only weapon that's Minmatar is the SMG, which should have explosive rounds in them. however, it dosn't explain why AR's out damage HMG's sence in RL HMG use a 50cal. bullets. even a Gatling gun has this size ammo and they pack more of a punch then our AR's

They don't use plasma rounds, even the devs confirmed this is a minmatar weapon along with the mass driver.

Tank: 1 driver
AV: 1 grenadier

1 v 1 is fair to me, most fair fight in EVE. If you bring the battleship and lose to a frigate it's your own damn fault.

Killed a Vindicator with a Myrmidon once, believe it or not.

Seven. With no damage bonuses (Myrm is a drone boat). And they're smaller. And the Vindy has more drone bandwidth than the Myrm.

That said, you can tank the **** out of a Myrm and Vindies usually use blasters, so it'd be possible to kite it.

Well the real threat would be the Vindi's drones, so just focus them down and it's death of a thousand cuts for the Vindi if he doesn't have small size turrets...

...just like the real threat is the tank's support troops and once they're gone the tank can be easily focused down.

What, had to get back on topic, so I may as well make this as relevant as possible.