itt: please fix something that is making me mad. I do not like it.

A bit off topic, but I keep hearing people talk about the hit detection bug. Can someone elaborate?

Doesn't matter bro, everyone is irritated with this crap.

Dev's say they're looking into it, hurry it up.

Pretty much(in sniping) When you shoot at another sniper ect. all you see are shields flash around them, but you will never get a hit.

Even if you put your entire clip into one dead on, it won't do a thing to them.

Everyone will always hate snipers, if it's not QQing about redline it will be something else.

Pretty much, Happens with the AR a lot too. As for redline sniping, only play ambush so thats the end of that.

Pretty much(in sniping) When you shoot at another sniper ect. all you see are shields flash around them, but you will never get a hit.

Even if you put your entire clip into one dead on, it won't do a thing to them.

I'm fine with snipers, I even enjoying using them now and then,

By removing the redline your forcing snipers to leave their lil' safety net and have the possibility of being flanked ect, whereas atm. you'll be dead before ever reaching them due to the unsafe zone.

and i'm pretty sure snipers like Sleepy Zan would **** your face in or out of the redline, don't think i've ever seen him camp the redline tbh.

I pretty much only snipe. Never in the Redline, that is silly.
I just wish people could go find the butts they lost and stop QQing all over the forums.

Fixing hit detection is all that is really needed. If your team can't counter-snipe a redline sniper... Well... They should stop being bad.

i say if they are in the redline, they wont get any points till they leave

This has gotten ridiculous.

Yes, I'm mad lol.

I just played a game, with I'd say 7 people doing objectives the rest sniping in the redline. It's recorded too :P

Its just extremely annoying atm, Yes I can switch out to a sniper class and counter snipe, yes I did, yes all I got was hit detection bugs :)

Kinda crazy this stuff hasn't been fixed, fix the hit detection or fix the redline, whichever is the easiest. This game should be about getting the objectives, not hiding for KDR.

wen't from 17-1 to 17-9 because they all started sniping :)

At the end I just spawned in the MCC and let my team get cloned, regardless we were gunna win from the enemy MCC damage.

So then what about when all the points are in control of the enemy?
They are at the border of the redline camping your team?
A sniper will get no points for trying to help get out of that situation?

Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

Strange.. some people at this stage have 'connection problems'.

...and i'm pretty sure snipers like Sleepy Zan would **** your face in or out of the redline, don't think i've ever seen him camp the redline tbh.

This has gotten ridiculous.

Yes, I'm mad lol.

I just played a game, with I'd say 7 people doing objectives the rest sniping in the redline. It's recorded too :P

Its just extremely annoying atm, Yes I can switch out to a sniper class and counter snipe, yes I did, yes all I got was hit detection bugs :)

Kinda crazy this stuff hasn't been fixed, fix the hit detection or fix the redline, whichever is the easiest. This game should be about getting the objectives, not hiding for KDR.

wen't from 17-1 to 17-9 because they all started sniping :)

At the end I just spawned in the MCC and let my team get cloned, regardless we were gunna win from the enemy MCC damage.

Pretty much(in sniping) When you shoot at another sniper ect. all you see are shields flash around them, but you will never get a hit.

Even if you put your entire clip into one dead on, it won't do a thing to them.

I have never experienced this, personally. Sucks if it happens to you though I don't think it is consistent or prevalent - it if were there would be less snipers.

Redline sniping would be largely solved by adding bullet drop/travel time and scope sway to sniper rifles. These are mechanics that would make shooting at very long ranges as a sniper harder to do. Snipers who want to get kills would move in a bit closer to the action, while snipers who refuse to put themselves in any danger will find themselves much less effective.

I have never experienced this, personally. Sucks if it happens to you though I don't think it is consistent or prevalent - it if were there would be less snipers.

It is a common issue, and has been with Dust for as long as I can remember. Having 10% of your shots or something (I don't know exactly how common it is, but you'll experience it every game at least) not do damage to a target isn't enough to deter most snipers. Sniping is still the easiest way to get a large number of kills with very few deaths.

First off, there's no bullet. It's a flechette. Flechette's have a flatter, more stable, flight trajectory and better penetration. And at 2500+ meters per second, they are rail guns after all, travel time would be negligible at the current maximum range. Nearly unnoticeable at the ranges I've seen most snipers firing from. As for stabilization, even now, we have gyro stabilization for sniper rifles and other long arm weapons, usually when vehicle mounted. What's to say that technology wouldn't improve in 20K years?

First off, there's no bullet. It's a flechette. Flechette's have a flatter, more stable, flight trajectory and better penetration. And at 2500+ meters per second, they are rail guns after all, travel time would be negligible at the current maximum range. Nearly unnoticeable at the ranges I've seen most snipers firing from. As for stabilization, even now, we have gyro stabilization for sniper rifles and other long arm weapons, usually when vehicle mounted. What's to say that technology wouldn't improve in 20K years?

Yes its stupid when the 1/2 of the team snipe and NOBODY help the team, but your not dead 8 time by sniper... I kill you like 5-6 time with my GEK ^^

You're right, there is no bullet. It's a video game, after all. It's whatever the code says it is. Right now, it says it's hitscan, but if they want to have a projectile with drop and so on like I described, it could be changed to that without any major trouble, I'm sure. Thanks for the description of gun stuff I guess, but what matters is what makes the game fun and balanced.

no WP/SP/ISK/kills/assists(and you bet deaths will count) for actions taken in the redline! nothing more nothing less.

the hit detection bug usually has to do with a clipping problem between you gun and the ground or objects in front of you. ...... most of the time.

You know why people snipe from the redline?

Higher ground... simple as that.

I played a game on Manus Peak last night, when I was lucky enough to have a *giant* building spawn right near the B objective. I climbed up there with my sniper rifle and a nanohive, and went 18-0. I had great lines of sight down into A and C.... but B was hard to cover, as I was so high above it and shooting down into it.

I was also squad commander, so I was giving some great overwatch intel, and was well suited to drop my squad's 2 orbital bombardments.

If you give more varied terrain around the map, snipers will move away from the red line because sight lines are better and targets are closer.

That being said, there will *always* be people that hang out in the spawn and just camp there.... which is different from redline sniping.

I see you've never heard of a conceptual basis. There's a concept behind everything in the game. I know code can be changed to do anything one wants. If CCP wanted, all weapons could fire exploding bunny rabbits. But the point was to attempt to help you understand the concept. An understanding you and Lance 2ballzStrong seem to lack or choose to ignore.

Redline sniping would be largely solved by adding bullet drop/travel time and scope sway to sniper rifles.

Pretty much(in sniping) When you shoot at another sniper ect. all you see are shields flash around them, but you will never get a hit.

Even if you put your entire clip into one dead on, it won't do a thing to them.

Have you used a sniper rifle before? they have scope sway. You have to compensate for it when you use it, and you only have a limited window before your aim is ruined once the crosshairs settle. Skilling up in sniper rifles reduces, but does not eliminate the phenomena.

And the concept behind everything is entirely made-up, and CCP can change it to be whatever they want through simply editing some text. What you don't seem to understand is that the idea of this game being constrained in significant ways is absurd. They can't add ballistics, because someone at some point decided to refer to the rifle as a railgun in their fiction? I don't think so. What matters is that their game be fun and well-designed. They can change the sniper rifles to have ballistics irrespective of what the description of the weapon says, and if for some reason they feel the need to, they can simply edit the description to better suit the weapon's characteristics. The concept, as you seem unaware of, is both mutable and ultimately irrelevant.

Judging from what I've seen on the forums, the concept is only irrelevant to you and a small group of others. Many of us understand that the QQ from the small cadre you're with in this matter will never cease unless you get the game features you want. Features that are readily available in many other wildly popular games.

Yes, there are only a small group of people who do not put their own self-interest above what would make Dust a better game, it's true. Most of you get your 20/0 as a sniper, imagine that it's because you're good rather than the gun is broken, and then come here to talk about how sniping is fine and anything to the contrary is "QQ". And the fact that proper sniper rifles are features already available in many wildly popular games should make you wonder as to why, exactly, Dust wouldn't have a similar feature. Do we not want Dust to be popular as well?

Red line or no, sniper rifles need consistent sway. 100% accuracy should NEVER be possible in an FPS. crouching should slow it down a little, but the reticle should never stop moving. also, more time is needed for accuracy recovery. I can easily belt off two 100% accurate shots in a little less than a second. and thats with a starter sniper kit with no skills in sniper rifles.

way too easy to be decent at sniping. I'd think truly skilled snipers would want it to be more challenging, to make themselves stand out as actually skilled snipers.

as for the red line, there needs to be some way of "discouraging" players from using the redline as a safe zone. also, you are never truly "trapped" there. dropships, drop uplinks, and teamwork can usually prevent being redlined.

Primarily, I am a tank pilot. I love driving me tanks. And in the map where there's mountains everywhere and rock formations in the middle (Not sure what it's called) One of two things are happening on that map. Sniper Swarm Launchers/Forge Guns or Snipers. Rarely will I ever see a heavy or an assault, or a logi for that matter.

Different maps call for different class compisitions. Naturally you will be strong on one map, and weak in another. I've noticed that in Installation maps, my tank is a lot stronger as it has more cover to hide in and bank around. Snipers naturally have a much more difficult time on those maps. In open terrain maps with lots of visibility, those maps will favor the classes that rely on range. Such as snipers.

In short, Tanks get Hate because they are OP in some maps where CQC is called for, why? Because they're nearly impossible to kill at CQ. They kill you (usually) faster before you can do anything about it.

Snipers get hate because they are OP in some maps where Long range combat is called for, why? Because they're so far away that your AR, HMG, or SMG won't reach them, and you're at the mercy of their scopes. In short? All classes are working as intended. Having been playing a Sniper class the past few days, I feel that this insight is unbiased and largely true for any class that benefits from certain maps.

Don't cry - Diversify

Amen man. Every man has a role, and each map needs any one role to a greater degree than others.

You know why people snipe from the redline?

Higher ground... simple as that.

I played a game on Manus Peak last night, when I was lucky enough to have a *giant* building spawn right near the B objective. I climbed up there with my sniper rifle and a nanohive, and went 18-0. I had great lines of sight down into A and C.... but B was hard to cover, as I was so high above it and shooting down into it.

I was also squad commander, so I was giving some great overwatch intel, and was well suited to drop my squad's 2 orbital bombardments.

If you give more varied terrain around the map, snipers will move away from the red line because sight lines are better and targets are closer.

That being said, there will *always* be people that hang out in the spawn and just camp there.... which is different from redline sniping.

Primarily, I am a tank pilot. I love driving me tanks. And in the map where there's mountains everywhere and rock formations in the middle (Not sure what it's called) One of two things are happening on that map. Sniper Swarm Launchers/Forge Guns or Snipers. Rarely will I ever see a heavy or an assault, or a logi for that matter.

Different maps call for different class compisitions. Naturally you will be strong on one map, and weak in another. I've noticed that in Installation maps, my tank is a lot stronger as it has more cover to hide in and bank around. Snipers naturally have a much more difficult time on those maps. In open terrain maps with lots of visibility, those maps will favor the classes that rely on range. Such as snipers.

In short, Tanks get Hate because they are OP in some maps where CQC is called for, why? Because they're nearly impossible to kill at CQ. They kill you (usually) faster before you can do anything about it.

Snipers get hate because they are OP in some maps where Long range combat is called for, why? Because they're so far away that your AR, HMG, or SMG won't reach them, and you're at the mercy of their scopes. In short? All classes are working as intended. Having been playing a Sniper class the past few days, I feel that this insight is unbiased and largely true for any class that benefits from certain maps.

the problem isn't losing a match because of getting sniped the problem is losing a match because of your waste of a team redline sniping, there should be no reason ever for matches to turn into sniping wars on the red line.

that said the Idiots that use the insane depth of their red line to make it almost impossible to shoot them so they can pad stats by going 20-0(i'll admit to great respect for their skills) are borderline exploit users.

Primarily, I am a tank pilot. I love driving me tanks. And in the map where there's mountains everywhere and rock formations in the middle (Not sure what it's called) One of two things are happening on that map. Sniper Swarm Launchers/Forge Guns or Snipers. Rarely will I ever see a heavy or an assault, or a logi for that matter.

Different maps call for different class compisitions. Naturally you will be strong on one map, and weak in another. I've noticed that in Installation maps, my tank is a lot stronger as it has more cover to hide in and bank around. Snipers naturally have a much more difficult time on those maps. In open terrain maps with lots of visibility, those maps will favor the classes that rely on range. Such as snipers.

In short, Tanks get Hate because they are OP in some maps where CQC is called for, why? Because they're nearly impossible to kill at CQ. They kill you (usually) faster before you can do anything about it.

Snipers get hate because they are OP in some maps where Long range combat is called for, why? Because they're so far away that your AR, HMG, or SMG won't reach them, and you're at the mercy of their scopes. In short? All classes are working as intended. Having been playing a Sniper class the past few days, I feel that this insight is unbiased and largely true for any class that benefits from certain maps.

In short;
"I didn't pick the gun with the longest range, so everyone should be forced into my engagement range! It's just not fair!"

game should simply end,

have a timer countdown from the start of you being redlined, say 5 minutes.

If you can't capture an objective in that amount of time, end the game.

This has gotten ridiculous.

Yes, I'm mad lol.

I just played a game, with I'd say 7 people doing objectives the rest sniping in the redline. It's recorded too :P

Its just extremely annoying atm, Yes I can switch out to a sniper class and counter snipe, yes I did, yes all I got was hit detection bugs :)

Kinda crazy this stuff hasn't been fixed, fix the hit detection or fix the redline, whichever is the easiest. This game should be about getting the objectives, not hiding for KDR.

wen't from 17-1 to 17-9 because they all started sniping :)

At the end I just spawned in the MCC and let my team get cloned, regardless we were gunna win from the enemy MCC damage.