You're right, there is no bullet. It's a video game, after all. It's whatever the code says it is. Right now, it says it's hitscan, but if they want to have a projectile with drop and so on like I described, it could be changed to that without any major trouble, I'm sure. Thanks for the description of gun stuff I guess, but what matters is what makes the game fun and balanced.

no WP/SP/ISK/kills/assists(and you bet deaths will count) for actions taken in the redline! nothing more nothing less.

the hit detection bug usually has to do with a clipping problem between you gun and the ground or objects in front of you. ...... most of the time.

You know why people snipe from the redline?

Higher ground... simple as that.

I played a game on Manus Peak last night, when I was lucky enough to have a *giant* building spawn right near the B objective. I climbed up there with my sniper rifle and a nanohive, and went 18-0. I had great lines of sight down into A and C.... but B was hard to cover, as I was so high above it and shooting down into it.

I was also squad commander, so I was giving some great overwatch intel, and was well suited to drop my squad's 2 orbital bombardments.

If you give more varied terrain around the map, snipers will move away from the red line because sight lines are better and targets are closer.

That being said, there will *always* be people that hang out in the spawn and just camp there.... which is different from redline sniping.

I see you've never heard of a conceptual basis. There's a concept behind everything in the game. I know code can be changed to do anything one wants. If CCP wanted, all weapons could fire exploding bunny rabbits. But the point was to attempt to help you understand the concept. An understanding you and Lance 2ballzStrong seem to lack or choose to ignore.

Redline sniping would be largely solved by adding bullet drop/travel time and scope sway to sniper rifles.

Pretty much(in sniping) When you shoot at another sniper ect. all you see are shields flash around them, but you will never get a hit.

Even if you put your entire clip into one dead on, it won't do a thing to them.

Have you used a sniper rifle before? they have scope sway. You have to compensate for it when you use it, and you only have a limited window before your aim is ruined once the crosshairs settle. Skilling up in sniper rifles reduces, but does not eliminate the phenomena.

And the concept behind everything is entirely made-up, and CCP can change it to be whatever they want through simply editing some text. What you don't seem to understand is that the idea of this game being constrained in significant ways is absurd. They can't add ballistics, because someone at some point decided to refer to the rifle as a railgun in their fiction? I don't think so. What matters is that their game be fun and well-designed. They can change the sniper rifles to have ballistics irrespective of what the description of the weapon says, and if for some reason they feel the need to, they can simply edit the description to better suit the weapon's characteristics. The concept, as you seem unaware of, is both mutable and ultimately irrelevant.

Judging from what I've seen on the forums, the concept is only irrelevant to you and a small group of others. Many of us understand that the QQ from the small cadre you're with in this matter will never cease unless you get the game features you want. Features that are readily available in many other wildly popular games.

Yes, there are only a small group of people who do not put their own self-interest above what would make Dust a better game, it's true. Most of you get your 20/0 as a sniper, imagine that it's because you're good rather than the gun is broken, and then come here to talk about how sniping is fine and anything to the contrary is "QQ". And the fact that proper sniper rifles are features already available in many wildly popular games should make you wonder as to why, exactly, Dust wouldn't have a similar feature. Do we not want Dust to be popular as well?

Red line or no, sniper rifles need consistent sway. 100% accuracy should NEVER be possible in an FPS. crouching should slow it down a little, but the reticle should never stop moving. also, more time is needed for accuracy recovery. I can easily belt off two 100% accurate shots in a little less than a second. and thats with a starter sniper kit with no skills in sniper rifles.

way too easy to be decent at sniping. I'd think truly skilled snipers would want it to be more challenging, to make themselves stand out as actually skilled snipers.

as for the red line, there needs to be some way of "discouraging" players from using the redline as a safe zone. also, you are never truly "trapped" there. dropships, drop uplinks, and teamwork can usually prevent being redlined.

Primarily, I am a tank pilot. I love driving me tanks. And in the map where there's mountains everywhere and rock formations in the middle (Not sure what it's called) One of two things are happening on that map. Sniper Swarm Launchers/Forge Guns or Snipers. Rarely will I ever see a heavy or an assault, or a logi for that matter.

Different maps call for different class compisitions. Naturally you will be strong on one map, and weak in another. I've noticed that in Installation maps, my tank is a lot stronger as it has more cover to hide in and bank around. Snipers naturally have a much more difficult time on those maps. In open terrain maps with lots of visibility, those maps will favor the classes that rely on range. Such as snipers.

In short, Tanks get Hate because they are OP in some maps where CQC is called for, why? Because they're nearly impossible to kill at CQ. They kill you (usually) faster before you can do anything about it.

Snipers get hate because they are OP in some maps where Long range combat is called for, why? Because they're so far away that your AR, HMG, or SMG won't reach them, and you're at the mercy of their scopes. In short? All classes are working as intended. Having been playing a Sniper class the past few days, I feel that this insight is unbiased and largely true for any class that benefits from certain maps.

Don't cry - Diversify

Amen man. Every man has a role, and each map needs any one role to a greater degree than others.

You know why people snipe from the redline?

Higher ground... simple as that.

I played a game on Manus Peak last night, when I was lucky enough to have a *giant* building spawn right near the B objective. I climbed up there with my sniper rifle and a nanohive, and went 18-0. I had great lines of sight down into A and C.... but B was hard to cover, as I was so high above it and shooting down into it.

I was also squad commander, so I was giving some great overwatch intel, and was well suited to drop my squad's 2 orbital bombardments.

If you give more varied terrain around the map, snipers will move away from the red line because sight lines are better and targets are closer.

That being said, there will *always* be people that hang out in the spawn and just camp there.... which is different from redline sniping.

Primarily, I am a tank pilot. I love driving me tanks. And in the map where there's mountains everywhere and rock formations in the middle (Not sure what it's called) One of two things are happening on that map. Sniper Swarm Launchers/Forge Guns or Snipers. Rarely will I ever see a heavy or an assault, or a logi for that matter.

Different maps call for different class compisitions. Naturally you will be strong on one map, and weak in another. I've noticed that in Installation maps, my tank is a lot stronger as it has more cover to hide in and bank around. Snipers naturally have a much more difficult time on those maps. In open terrain maps with lots of visibility, those maps will favor the classes that rely on range. Such as snipers.

In short, Tanks get Hate because they are OP in some maps where CQC is called for, why? Because they're nearly impossible to kill at CQ. They kill you (usually) faster before you can do anything about it.

Snipers get hate because they are OP in some maps where Long range combat is called for, why? Because they're so far away that your AR, HMG, or SMG won't reach them, and you're at the mercy of their scopes. In short? All classes are working as intended. Having been playing a Sniper class the past few days, I feel that this insight is unbiased and largely true for any class that benefits from certain maps.