I have seen a tank move fast but it is certainly not LAV speed. Its also a ***** to handle it.

Flat speed is not the same as maneuverability. I am pretty sure a tank moving full speed will be dammed to hit anything.

Regardless, no TANK should ever be moving that fast. I mean isn't it common sense when designing a tank that it should be slow?

Why does the D@mn thing move like it's got a turbokit installed? Is the insane firepower not enough? I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses like... "Well, I drive a tank and I have to use a lot of skill and ISK to drive one so I should be able to move at 200mph" or my favorite "Well tanks die pretty easily with "X" weapon and "X" Nade, it's not like I'm going 30-0 or anything that it even matters".....BS and weak. Nerf the speed, thats all I'm asking.


Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?

Have you looked at our real world tanks like the M1A1 Abrams tank? That thing can already haul ass. Imagine tanks 20,000+ years into the future.

Why does the D@mn thing move like it's got a turbokit installed? Is the insane firepower not enough? I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses like... "Well, I drive a tank and I have to use a lot of skill and ISK to drive one so I should be able to move at 200mph" or my favorite "Well tanks die pretty easily with "X" weapon and "X" Nade, it's not like I'm going 30-0 or anything that it even matters".....BS and weak. Nerf the speed, thats all I'm asking.


Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?

Apparently a lot of these drivers have gotten really good at maneuvering...

Regardless, no TANK should ever be moving that fast. I mean isn't it common sense when designing a tank that it should be slow?

Beat me to saying this. Our american tanks are equipped with engines that require the same fuel our spaceships do. It's pretty intense stuff and pricey. But it goes fast and is pretty mobile and is I believe the best armored of all tanks as far as defensive goes.

20,000 years later, they should be flying. Or at least hovering.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the tanks. Guaranteed, they are balanced perfectly well. ..and no, I'm not, nor have ever been, even close to using one. I'm speaking strictly from a support/targets perspective. Heavies are far more threatening, and I can almost be certain they get more kills. ..they probably die more to, but that goes with the territory.

Why does the D@mn thing move like it's got a turbokit installed? Is the insane firepower not enough? I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses like... "Well, I drive a tank and I have to use a lot of skill and ISK to drive one so I should be able to move at 200mph" or my favorite "Well tanks die pretty easily with "X" weapon and "X" Nade, it's not like I'm going 30-0 or anything that it even matters".....BS and weak. Nerf the speed, thats all I'm asking.


Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?

The problem is that most of the consistent tank drivers are very good.

Everyone else drives a tank and dies easy.

Its not the tanks that need nerfed its the players.

Pro Tip: Canister in the back don't like to be tickled on tanks. Throw an AV nade at it and prepare for hate mail.

Anyone remember when shooting at those canisters with an AR would cause some nice damage? xD

Pro Tip: Canister in the back don't like to be tickled on tanks. Throw an AV nade at it and prepare for hate mail.

Anyone remember when shooting at those canisters with an AR would cause some nice damage? xD

You saying the tanks actually have a weak spot?

Pro Tip: Canister in the back don't like to be tickled on tanks. Throw an AV nade at it and prepare for hate mail.

Anyone remember when shooting at those canisters with an AR would cause some nice damage? xD

I think the small gun on the roof of the tank should be buffed - I've hit players with it and not killed them, and it reloads so slowly that I don't usually get a second chance.

Apart from that, tanks seem ok - they are uncommon, which I think tells you something.

that still works?

Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out.

reloads? That's over-heating, and it means your holding onto R1 too much. Probably a sign of bad aim.

Or maybe the range of the small gun should be increased? - it doesn't seem very effective at distance, even when the enemy is not in cover.

Or maybe instead of one-shot damage, the small gun should be more like a machine gun with a steady rate of fire?

Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?

Destroyed a sica (caldari militia tank), two somas (Gallente Militia Tank) and a madrugar (Gallente better-than militia tank) tonight, and slapped two dropships out of the sky.

It's called pumping skills into forge guns and not being a pud and using the militia ****.

three shots for the militias, the sica died in two. the madrugar took a bit of jack-in-the-box action.

Assault forge guns: accept no substitute (and pray there's no enemy infantry nearby when you zero the tank)

Apparently a lot of these drivers have gotten really good at maneuvering...

Regardless, no TANK should ever be moving that fast. I mean isn't it common sense when designing a tank that it should be slow?

Why does the D@mn thing move like it's got a turbokit installed? Is the insane firepower not enough? I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses like... "Well, I drive a tank and I have to use a lot of skill and ISK to drive one so I should be able to move at 200mph" or my favorite "Well tanks die pretty easily with "X" weapon and "X" Nade, it's not like I'm going 30-0 or anything that it even matters".....BS and weak. Nerf the speed, thats all I'm asking.


Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?

If anything HAVs could use a *slight* buff.

i heard that millita swarmers/Forges can take down 3 million ISK Proto tanks easly, as long as you're have the skill for the weapons. kinda makes one sad that you spent all this money for a Proto tank only to have it destroyed by cheap hardware so easly. but then again, i'm not realy complaining. cheap gear should be a option as well.
i personaly hate SMERFS who don't look at the chat and see that they need to switch to a Forge/swarmer class and fing destroy them. You destroy one, it an't coming back. those things are too expensive to send more than one per player.

unless you're in the mercenary battle finder section games.

had 3 proto tannks droped on us.
blew up 2 with nothing but basic AV grenades
course, i died like 12 times

i heard that millita swarmers/Forges can take down 3 million ISK Proto tanks easly, as long as you're have the skill for the weapons. kinda makes one sad that you spent all this money for a Proto tank only to have it destroyed by cheap hardware so easly. but then again, i'm not realy complaining. cheap gear should be a option as well.
i personaly hate SMERFS who don't look at the chat and see that they need to switch to a Forge/swarmer class and fing destroy them. You destroy one, it an't coming back. those things are too expensive to send more than one per player.

oh and you know if they are a CoD player if they wine about tanks. They always complain about them tanks.

If anything HAVs could use a *slight* buff.

unless you're in the mercenary battle finder section games.

had 3 proto tannks droped on us.
blew up 2 with nothing but basic AV grenades
course, i died like 12 times

Nerf it 514

@ OP. It's not uncommon to see shield tanked HAV's with Propulsion systems. It's all about how they fit their tank. I'm sorry if you also can't do math.

40 m/s=144 Kmph
144 Kmph < 200 Mph by a long shot

40 m/s = base speed of LAVs. Takes a lot of sacrifice to get your HAV going that fast.

just so you know Proto tanks arent even on the market. ADV STD MLT are but not proto

Ruby - Are you seriously telling us all that even after all the real life examples of extremely quick tanks, you still think tanks should be slow? That is just willful ignorance my friend.

As a dedicated AV assault player, I can state with absolutely no doubt there is nothing wrong with the tank/AV balance.

It is very rare that I come up against a tank that I can't take out on my own (at the moment at least anyway). Tanks have to be fast otherwise they wouldn't stand a chance against my swarms and would be useless trying to get out of a tight spot with a forge gun trained on them.

The only thing I can possibly think your problem is could be that either nobody is good at AV on your team or you're up against one of those very good tanks - if you see Sir Meode, I'd just give up unless there is an entire squad of AV guys taking him on.

^^ maybe the problem with the AV tank balance is that it is rare that you can't take out on your own.maybe it should be the other way around and have it be rare that you CAN take out a tank on your own. due to the number of seats I do think it should take 3 people using AV's of the same tier to be able to blow us up. this is from a tank driver so yes it is biased but think about it for a minute. if it is rare to find a tank that you can't take out on your own.... is that really truely balanced I don't have the answer and I know what I think should be what it takes will make tanks gods again because blue dots are idiots.

I agree, buff the tank, I've said numerous time in other threads that being able to take out a tank with a couple of nades or a single swarm launcher( No matter how hard it may be) is again, not realistic (Where have I heard this before?). Buff the HP but please just reduce the speed, that is more than a decent trade off.

just so you know, you can take out a real tank with a smaw or RPG by yourself if you know how to use cover. it's been done before and there are stories out there.

A tank shouldn't just steamroll a team, it makes it to powerful. you should be cautious of AA infiltry, not be "i'm a tank, i can't be kill Dur Dur."

With that argument then the take is perfectly fine as is and should just warrant for the speed decrease right?

^^ maybe the problem with the AV tank balance is that it is rare that you can't take out on your own.maybe it should be the other way around and have it be rare that you CAN take out a tank on your own. due to the number of seats I do think it should take 3 people using AV's of the same tier to be able to blow us up. this is from a tank driver so yes it is biased but think about it for a minute. if it is rare to find a tank that you can't take out on your own.... is that really truely balanced I don't have the answer and I know what I think should be what it takes will make tanks gods again because blue dots are idiots.

just so you know, you can take out a real tank with a smaw or RPG by yourself if you know how to use cover. it's been done before and there are stories out there.

If you think something should be in the game based on real life examples, then this game must really disappoint you.

I will kill your paper tanks[/b].

No, me being to take out most tanks atm on my own is not a problem with the game's balance - it is a problem with what people think is an acceptable tank. Pretty much without fail, militia tanks will die easily. Especially with current levels people bring out these paper tanks and think they should be indestructible because they're tanks. Trying not to be too big headed here I am a very good AV player and I will kill your paper tanks.

I am this guy, getting into a good position to take out your tank with a specific anti-tank weapon. This is realistic. I've said it many times before that in real life, if your TANK gets hit by an ANTI-TANK weapon even once, you're in serious trouble. Why should Dust be any different?

serious trouble. Why should Dust be any different?
Than let my tank one hit kill to you since my blaster dealt 2/3 of snipers damage. Dont you think that a tank's main blaster should be more powerful than militia sniper?

bad assumption dude. I run a gunnlogi with proto shield mods on it. I still die almost instantly if someone with a nanohive and AV nades finds a spot near me behind cover. now before you say I should be dead because I let him get to close I have been the ass with the nanohive and AV nade combo and I've blown up gunnlogi's and madraugers from places they could only dream of shooting me from. not only is this about real life but there needs to be a balance aswell if 1 dude with swarms or a forge gun can beat my tank lower the price of the tank and the modules = problem solved if we are keeping the prices the same then tanks need a buff. I'm not saying you taking out most tanks on your own isn't skill on your part though. I am really regreting specing into tanks again, when someone see's a tank they should go oh **** a tank not oh boy free kills which it is currently is at right now for anyone who has any kind of custom AV loadout.

also, why did you sit there and LET them kill you.

oh and i do say OH **** A TANK when ever one pops up. it sucks to face them.

someone can throw 3 AV nades before you realise your shields are going down they can throw 4 or 5 before you know which way they are coming from and start to move away at that point your almost dead/already dead not to mention you have to stop moving to activate modules. also please tell me how infantry support can help you when the enemy is inside the biomass building crouching and wildly spaming magic homing nades at you. I havn't been blown up that way yet but I have killed several tanks with great infantry support this way, or the map with the ladders onto the pips AV nade spam or even a forge gun( all of these I have used).

wow someone who is actually scared of a tank you sir are a rare breed.

bad assumption dude. I run a gunnlogi with proto shield mods on it. I still die almost instantly if someone with a nanohive and AV nades finds a spot near me behind cover. now before you say I should be dead because I let him get to close I have been the ass with the nanohive and AV nade combo and I've blown up gunnlogi's and madraugers from places they could only dream of shooting me from. not only is this about real life but there needs to be a balance aswell if 1 dude with swarms or a forge gun can beat my tank lower the price of the tank and the modules = problem solved if we are keeping the prices the same then tanks need a buff. I'm not saying you taking out most tanks on your own isn't skill on your part though. I am really regreting specing into tanks again, when someone see's a tank they should go oh **** a tank not oh boy free kills which it is currently is at right now for anyone who has any kind of custom AV loadout.

Why does the D@mn thing move like it's got a turbokit installed? Is the insane firepower not enough? I don't want to hear any pathetic excuses like... "Well, I drive a tank and I have to use a lot of skill and ISK to drive one so I should be able to move at 200mph" or my favorite "Well tanks die pretty easily with "X" weapon and "X" Nade, it's not like I'm going 30-0 or anything that it even matters".....BS and weak. Nerf the speed, thats all I'm asking.


Also, why am I the only one on my team ever trying to take these things out. You just died 5 times in a row to the guy in the tank, and our team is getting destroyed by it when do you think it's gunna be a good time to stop worrying about getting to your favorite sniper spot and switch to an AV class!?