Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

Must be trolling right?

My friend noone in their right mine could think the GEK is OP, if you truly do i am preordering popcorn for the day you unlock the Duvolle.

lol? Correction: half a clip takes out bad heavies. No clip is going to save you from a good one ;)

lol? Correction: half a clip takes out bad heavies. No clip is going to save you from a good one ;)

The Gek does the same damage as the standard Assault Rifle with a 5% damage mod...so, yea. That's really the end of that.

Krins assault. Just wait till you find that on the ground in a battle. Get your skills up. :)

The Gek does the same damage as the standard Assault Rifle with a 5% damage mod...so, yea. That's really the end of that.

don't even get me started on creo weapons.
BAM! red haze of death. WTF?!?!?! someone hit me with a tank rail??
looks at upper right-"oh, creodron, WTF is that doing in a pub match!?!?

i know these trolls wish to nerf the ar again, it gets nerfed im positive everything else will get nerfed because people like me will start trolling and crying on the forums for nerfs so ccp will think they need it when nothing is op...

i know these trolls wish to nerf the ar again, it gets nerfed im positive everything else will get nerfed because people like me will start trolling and crying on the forums for nerfs so ccp will think they need it when nothing is op...

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I decided to concentrate my initial SP on Assault suits and ARs because that's what I'm most familiar with in other FPS games. I thought I'd get the rest of the weapons trained to one so I could play around with them and see what I like, but until I decide what to do next I keep going with a powerful AR setup. If there's a larger population of people thinking like me, it may just be that ARs seem overpowered because so many players have their AR skills trained way up over everything else...

IKR... next it'll be SMG's i mean those need a serious nerf.

listen to me...dropsuit before ar's i have made this mistake i do not want others to do the same...you dont havta like me i just ask you to listen so you dont rage when you find how terrible proto ar's are without proto dropsuits...

lol? Correction: half a clip takes out bad heavies. No clip is going to save you from a good one ;)

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I decided to concentrate my initial SP on Assault suits and ARs because that's what I'm most familiar with in other FPS games. I thought I'd get the rest of the weapons trained to one so I could play around with them and see what I like, but until I decide what to do next I keep going with a powerful AR setup. If there's a larger population of people thinking like me, it may just be that ARs seem overpowered because so many players have their AR skills trained way up over everything else...

the reason everyone uses AR is it's direct approach to any situation. that doesn't make it OP tho

ill take the killswitch over any AR. there better be more weapons in the future.

Why cause you suck with it? Duvolle here I come. No wonder everyone plays assault!

ill take the killswitch over any AR. there better be more weapons in the future.

Well it's painfully obvious that you've never used the Krin's Sin-11 or the GAR-21.

Well it's painfully obvious that you've never used the Krin's Sin-11 or the GAR-21.

The Gek does the same damage as the standard Assault Rifle with a 5% damage mod...so, yea. That's really the end of that.

^ This.

It's not so much that the Gek is OP (which it certainly is not, as pointed out above) but it's the fact that the person using the Gek took a bit of time to spec into it, therefore they are more experienced with the game.

I personally am glad more players are taking out their Geks. I am getting tired of being insta-killed by militia and exile AR's, but I can appreciate being insta-killed by a Gek because I know the player is risking some ISK/Aur on their suit to use it.

The weapon flattening is pretty lame, there really isn't much reason to choose the Gek over standard, but it does make sense to go from standard to Duvoll (which is wrong). Needs to go back to 30-33-36.

Duvolle = pointless unless you have proto dropsuit to support the demands of it...extra 1.6 damage per shot or extra 99 shield you decide...choose wisely the duvolle has no point in being in this game

Not true, a duvolle is good for 1 thing. When stacked with damage mods you can know how beastly you'll be with officer weapons and it reminds you why you need to spend the very next amount of SP you earn after getting the duvolle on proficiency and then wonder again why duvolles exist and be like gek or officer everything else is just dumb.

Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

lol? Correction: half a clip takes out bad heavies. No clip is going to save you from a good one ;)

They nerf the AR and dudes are still talking about it's OP...I'm seriously done supporting these stupid ass AR OP threads. I'm just going to help let them die

The Gek does the same damage as the standard Assault Rifle with a 5% damage mod...so, yea. That's really the end of that.

Range and dispersion characteristics are a lil' better, maybe hipfire too, not 100% on that tho.

So yeah, 5% more damage and better shooting characteristics, PG/CPU step up isn't too bad with the GEK, ISK jump is fairly serious tho.

Seems like solid balancing on CCP's part. I'd say well done.

Honestly Dubbs....The AR QQ surprises me every time I see it.

Each time they gave out more beta access leading up to the open beta you always had new and (not so) improved Heavy QQ, Tank QQ, etc... I didn't see Assault Rifle QQ coming.

I'm still of the opinion CCP needs to slow their roll on the nerf hammer until they have solid data from organized battles.

i just recently specd into AR, but im running a scout type 2 atm working towards a non-shotgun, stealth/speed hybrid build. i use AR because im comfortable with it and it suits my play style. I enjoy it for what it is and not because someone said "this is awesomeeee" or "GEK=instant win". Feels like middle school sometimes when people are influenced by something like " ohh , make this build, all the cool good players are doing it". Ill have to agree with some people here in saying that things are pretty decently balanced atm. Fact is imho, the gun doesnt kill, the person wielding it does. you can have the best gun in the game but if you dont have a steady hand or an understanding of how its meant to function or your just not comfortable with it, then thats your bad. Getting killed by something like the GEK all the time doesnt mean its OP regardless of the % of players using it. You dont know what those people are specd out with, for all you know they could be super specd in just AR/weaponry/sharpshooter, therefore shredding any unsuspecting players in a matter of seconds. Ive only been on this forum for close to 2 weeks and its already annoying seeing so many people blaming their skill short-comings and lack of strategy on the weapons in the game...i get there has been and still will be times when things are DEF. OP or UP but this is definetely not one of those times.

Travi out.

I think that it is the most ridiculous OP QQ thread on the forum. People aren't saying that they are OP because of damage or anything...it is simply because people are using them the most. But they are ARs....and they are the most used weapon in any shooter except COD.

The Exile has got to go. Closed Beta people played for one day and they get a BPO that gives them unlimited ARs with a 4% damage advantage over the GEK-38 that uses HALF THE CPU and doesn't cost 17k ISK? That aint right. And I say this as a Closed Beta participant.

My douvolle is powered by all your tears.

Cant wait for the threads when we bring out the officer ar's

Officer sniper will bring more tears

nah, officer HMG's ;)

A clumsy slow heavy can't hope to match the power of a god.

Officer sniper will bring more tears

Just hearing that, idk i can see people hiding behind the redline and never dying with it...i do like how you play though never behind the red line, thats how it should be

From your own corp mate Sleepy, now come to big daddy heavy with his officer HMG as I run from cover to cover getting closer to you >: )

I know how to counter snipers as a heavy. *Picks up a sniper rifle* How many shots does it take for this crap weapon to kill anything but heavies? Two? Sounds like fun :)

Ty for the compliment to either me or heavies btw lol

Why cause you suck with it? Duvolle here I come. No wonder everyone plays assault!

OMFG..... its not OP. Its just the first good Assault rifle you get and now alot people use it, because guess what..... there are alot of Assault users.

Ive seen this type of thread more than enough to know. BF3 forums have these on a daily basis on every weapon, and the stats between all of them are so similar now it just comes down to whoever can use the highest ROF weapon the best.

There will always be that one awesome weapon in each weapon class, and i can assure you the GEK isnt it.

AR can out shoot HMG at range.

AR can pwn an SMG at close range... I honestly hate the SMG as a side arm.

AR cant shoot as far as a Sniper Rifle, i havent had a laser hit me from so far i couldnt hit them.

AR gets pimp slapped by HMG's in close Quarters.

AR loses to Shotties in CQ.

Scrambler can OHK some people if you got the SP invested, and its a heashot. So it seems the only weapon that needs adjusting imo is the SMG. And im pretty sure its illusion of being under powered is just the shoddy hit detection. I hate using blaster turrets on tanks for the same reason.... shoddy hit detection.

Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

AR can pwn an SMG at close range... I honestly hate the SMG as a side arm.

AR cant shoot as far as a Sniper Rifle, i havent had a laser hit me from so far i couldnt hit them.

SMGs can outright pwn ARs in close range and the second one is just over exaggerating and should be ignored.

OMG this, this post is soooo right, gek is totally op.

Today I went against this kid at my viziams optimal and after at full heat, before I got his shields downed I was dead,

But but I have over 300 shield and 200 armor and I has my viziam at max heat....DAMN GEK.

Come to find out, kid was stacking damage mods for the mega bonus it gives, nearly 100 damage a shot so OP.

OMG this, this post is soooo right, gek is totally op.

Today I went against this kid at my viziams optimal and after at full heat, before I got his shields downed I was dead,

But but I have over 300 shield and 200 armor and I has my viziam at max heat....DAMN GEK.

Come to find out, kid was stacking damage mods for the mega bonus it gives, nearly 100 damage a shot so OP.

Damn glass cannon builds if they only had a weakness.

OMG this, this post is soooo right, gek is totally op.

Today I went against this kid at my viziams optimal and after at full heat, before I got his shields downed I was dead,

But but I have over 300 shield and 200 armor and I has my viziam at max heat....DAMN GEK.

Come to find out, kid was stacking damage mods for the mega bonus it gives, nearly 100 damage a shot so OP.

On what crazy suit allows somebody to stack 20 complex damage mods? (the amount needed to get nearly 100 HP per bullet on a Gek)

Aaaah so you don't know, let me direct you to a thread, expect edit.

Please read the below posts where people have so kindly done the math.


https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=511836#post511836

Current damage with 3 damage modes and weaponry level 5 and gun damage skill at lv5
100*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.1*1.15=168.3715%

Percentage bonus are multiplied not added, so it's worse then the 55% people add up by adding bonus together

Please dont call weapons that actually you have to work for(Skill point wise) OP... Its a ton of skill points to upgrade to the GEK variant. And its supposed to be strong. Its the GEK for crying out loud.

Its most definitely not OP.
Reason why-

1- It takes a lot of skill points too obtain
2- If the dev's reduce its power then it will basically be the assault rifle, (If this happens I will Rage quit)
3- Its the GEK Variant. It is meant to be powerful, better then the reguler assault rifle variant



Once again please refrain from calling hard to get variant weapons OP... Its annoying

Here is the post you refer to.






Honestly, I am not understanding the math here. Why is there a 100 there? Shouldn't it start with a base of 1? Pretty sure all our weapons arent getting a +100% damage boost by default. At 1.0 without any damage mods, a Gek at 32.5 Hp would be a Gek with 32.5 HP. Add a 10% complex damage mod and it is now 1.1

With 3 complex mods, weaponry lv5 and proficiency at lvl5, shouldn't it look like this?

1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.15 = 1.683715
which = roughly 68% above the base damage multiplier of 1


68% makes a whole heck of a lot more sense than 168%. In my current setup, if I stack a Gek with two damage mods + weaponry at lvl5, I get an additional 33%. So my Gek goes from 32.5 HP to 43.225 HP.

If I use Ten's math, my Gek would have a 133% damage multiplier at 75.725 HP (32.5 * 1.33) + (32.5)


Sorry, but I really doubt this. Your saying my Gek should shoot out bullets as damaging as a standard scrambler pistol? I've used the scrambler, and I've used my Gek with two 10% mods many times, and I assure you I am not putting out 75 HP a bullet.


There is not a huge difference difference between using my Gek with two 10% mods vs an alt character with no skills in AR damage at all. Because I am still able to bring down an enemy with a 100% militia frontline suit just about as fast. The difference between 75 HP a bullet vs 31 HP a bullet should be a lot more noticeable, wouldn't you think?



Sorry, to totally debunk your theory. The percentages for the damage mods are definitely broken, but not THAT broken

Wow I use this weapon and I think its way overpowered.

Half a clip to take out most heavies.. nom nom nom

You are STUPID! you did the same math and came out with the same answer you stupid ****!!!!

TLDR

you are a moron yes its not 160some odd% more its 60someodd% more OR as the guy you were quoting was saying from ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DAMAGE it scales to ONE HUNDED AND SIXTY SOME ODD%

beacuase the gun has 100% and gains 60someodd% = 160someodd%(note not 55%gain or 155%) or instead of it being .6the original......you know what Im just gonna TLDR this

How can you confirm that the posted stats are the actual stats of the gun. Since there is no practice type mode or way to really test this, how do we really know that these numbers in the mathamatical equation are correct?

jesus dude why dont you ask something like "how do you know the earth is round if i cant see it?" If your going to question the stats that the game has to offer then this thread doesn't have a whole lot of point to it IMO. Could it be that CCP slipped up and put the wrong information in?? maybe, but i doubt it. The Gek to me is like any other advanced weapon...... its profficient at killing people in the way it was designed to kill people. thats all there is to it.

So this thread is moved to feedback? Well maybe they are finally going to nerf it then

I see more people in general discussion agreeing the geek is op

Cuz they run militia gear and expect to beat someone with assault type 2 dropsuit with a gek...sorry guys militia should have disadvantages to advanced stuff

Amen to that. Thought it was stupid that they lowered the proto AR damage in the last go and raised the militia/base lvl versions. The thing people forget at the end of the day it doesn't matter what weapon someone is using, if they're better with it than you are with yours you're dead plain and simple. They all come and jump on here yelling op just because there are guys out there with good gun game that drop you with AR's.

I wouldn't say the gun is *overpowered* in a traditional sense.
I'd say it's a real shame that the generic staple of shooters (the assault rifle) is arguably the best weapon for the job.

- They have no penalizing drawbacks
- Theyre effective range overlaps lasers pretty hard
- Theyre pretty good from the hip during CQB
- They have relatively low fitting requirements
- Theyre extremely accurate at long range
- They have no penalizing drawbacks (ie: death by overheating)

I see a couple options that I would see as a fair change of pace.
1. Reduce their range to somewhere around the Breach Rifle, leaving the Tactical & Burst Variants as longer range types.
2. Reduce the magazine size of the base-line ARs